New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by ri53hu » Nov 25 2018 8:39am

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 25 2018 8:43am

ri53hu wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:39am
You are probably looking for this
Wow! How do you know?

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by eyebyesickle » Nov 25 2018 12:58pm

watkinspd wrote:
Nov 24 2018 8:20pm
I'm in progress of switching my build over to the open source firmware and the KT-LCD3 display.
I'm searching for the pinout map for the 8 pin connector to the motor controller on the TSDZ2.
I've searched and found maps of wire colors against controller functions but the only way to use that is to cut the cable to expose the wires or disassemble my installed motor to map the wires to the pins using ohm meter. I'm trying to avoid that.
Has anyone got a mapping of the pins to wire colors or functions?TSDZ2-8-Pin-Controller-Connector - 1.jpg
Hi,

Here is a low quality scribble of the pinout for the male 8 pin controller plug (FYI red/signal = Vin)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11lR4-K ... p=drivesdk

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 25 2018 6:52pm

I got my motor today (48V). I plan on using the open source firmware, but I wanted to bench test it with the stock firmware first to make sure it works before I void the warranty. I couldn't figure out a safe way to put enough torque on the cranks with it benched to get the motor to turn, so I tried walk assist mode.

The noise is pretty loud and unpleasant:



I then compared it to my BBS02, which sounds much quieter and doesn't have that terrible cyclic noise the TSDZ2 does. Is it normal? Defective? Should I return it? I don't care about using walk assist, I just want to make sure the motor doesn't have a problem before I void its warranty by flashing it.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by crun » Nov 25 2018 8:23pm

watkinspd wrote:
Nov 24 2018 8:20pm
Has anyone got a mapping of the pins to wire colors or functions?TSDZ2-8-Pin-Controller-Connector - 1.jpg
https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-fir ... -throttle-

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 5#p1415134

What is your display type? Do you have a throttle?

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 25 2018 8:24pm

Ron Paul's Blimp wrote:
Nov 25 2018 6:52pm
I got my motor today (48V). I plan on using the open source firmware, but I wanted to bench test it with the stock firmware first to make sure it works before I void the warranty. I couldn't figure out a safe way to put enough torque on the cranks with it benched to get the motor to turn, so I tried walk assist mode.

The noise is pretty loud and unpleasant:



I then compared it to my BBS02, which sounds much quieter and doesn't have that terrible cyclic noise the TSDZ2 does. Is it normal? Defective? Should I return it? I don't care about using walk assist, I just want to make sure the motor doesn't have a problem before I void its warranty by flashing it.
i think you will only be sure about what is going on here if someone can confirm that he has done the same setup with either the same or a better result. But how likely is that...
on the other hand i have been wondering the whole time why you were considering that the new motor could be defective to begin with. but of course, you never know...

not an easy situation, unless someone here can reproduce the same test environment...good luck! alternatively you could of course return this one and order a second one and assume that you would hardly be so unlucky to get two defective ones in a row...but that takes time...

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 25 2018 8:31pm

andyme wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:24pm
i think you will only be sure about what is going on here if someone can confirm that he has done the same setup with either the same or a better result. But how likely is that...
on the other hand i have been wondering the whole time why you were considering that the new motor could be defective to begin with. but of course, you never know...

not an easy situation, unless someone here can reproduce the same test environment...good luck! alternatively you could of course return this one and order a second one and assume that you would hardly be so unlucky to get two defective ones in a row...but that takes time...
There's nothing special about the setup though? Stock 48V motor with stock firmware, hook it up, press the walk assist button.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 25 2018 8:36pm

Ron Paul's Blimp wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:31pm
andyme wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:24pm
i think you will only be sure about what is going on here if someone can confirm that he has done the same setup with either the same or a better result. But how likely is that...
on the other hand i have been wondering the whole time why you were considering that the new motor could be defective to begin with. but of course, you never know...

not an easy situation, unless someone here can reproduce the same test environment...good luck! alternatively you could of course return this one and order a second one and assume that you would hardly be so unlucky to get two defective ones in a row...but that takes time...
There's nothing special about the setup though? Stock 48V motor with stock firmware, hook it up, press the walk assist button.
I understand...but e.g. me, i did not do this before i mounted the motor and now that it is mounted and flashed i cannot do it ... so the question is: is someone here able/ in a position to do what you did....

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 25 2018 8:38pm

I don't think it matters if it's mounted. I'm pretty sure someone's tried walk assist on a stock motor with stock firmware ...

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 25 2018 8:46pm

Ron Paul's Blimp wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:38pm
I don't think it matters if it's mounted. I'm pretty sure someone's tried walk assist on a stock motor with stock firmware ...
ok...you are right...with my display (XH-18) i did not have this option anyway...at least i think so....it has this menu where you can select walk assist, but i never noticed any difference whether it was selected or not...so i am curious to see how your journey continues ;-) and frankly: i replied to you because i have had so many posts where i never got any reply, that i felt it already makes one feel good to get a reply at all as long it is polite and friendly :D

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 25 2018 9:14pm

andyme wrote:
Nov 25 2018 8:46pm
frankly: i replied to you because i have had so many posts where i never got any reply, that i felt it already makes one feel good to get a reply at all as long it is polite and friendly :D
Ah I see :) If people don't reply, they're not being rude, it just means they don't have anything helpful to add. Otherwise, the thread would be full of a ton of posts and be a lot harder for other people to sift through :)

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by watkinspd » Nov 25 2018 9:56pm

eyebyesickle wrote:
Nov 25 2018 12:58pm
watkinspd wrote:
Nov 24 2018 8:20pm
I'm in progress of switching my build over to the open source firmware and the KT-LCD3 display.
I'm searching for the pinout map for the 8 pin connector to the motor controller on the TSDZ2.
I've searched and found maps of wire colors against controller functions but the only way to use that is to cut the cable to expose the wires or disassemble my installed motor to map the wires to the pins using ohm meter. I'm trying to avoid that.
Has anyone got a mapping of the pins to wire colors or functions?TSDZ2-8-Pin-Controller-Connector - 1.jpg
Hi,

Here is a low quality scribble of the pinout for the male 8 pin controller plug (FYI red/signal = Vin)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11lR4-K ... p=drivesdk
Thanks very much for that. I’m now running release 0.16 of the open source firmware. My initial impressions are that this is much better than the vldc5 and the original tsdz2 firmware.
My build
'09 Trek Soho Belt Drive TSDZ2 Luna Wolf Pack
https://electricbike.com/forum/forum/bu ... -mid-drive

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by dameri » Nov 26 2018 10:29am

Ron Paul's Blimp wrote:
Nov 25 2018 6:52pm
I got my motor today (48V). I plan on using the open source firmware, but I wanted to bench test it with the stock firmware first to make sure it works before I void the warranty. I couldn't figure out a safe way to put enough torque on the cranks with it benched to get the motor to turn, so I tried walk assist mode.

The noise is pretty loud and unpleasant:



I then compared it to my BBS02, which sounds much quieter and doesn't have that terrible cyclic noise the TSDZ2 does. Is it normal? Defective? Should I return it? I don't care about using walk assist, I just want to make sure the motor doesn't have a problem before I void its warranty by flashing it.
I bought 36 V motor and been driving about 3500 km. Vendor said motor is silent. The motor has been noisy all the time. Sound is sometimes louder and sometimes quieter. Motor has stock firmware. I haven't test motor on the table so that sound I cannot compare

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 10:32am

dameri wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:29am


I bought 36 V motor and been driving about 3500 km. Vendor said motor is silent. The motor has been noisy all the time. Sound is sometimes louder and sometimes quieter. Motor has stock firmware. I haven't test motor on the table so that sound I cannot compare
my experience is similar, and it is great to hear that the motor is still alive after 3500 km...

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by dameri » Nov 26 2018 10:48am

andyme wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:32am
my experience is similar, and it is great to hear that the motor is still alive after 3500 km...
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I hope your motor will also work long time. I wonder if any those motors are silent. I thing it's vendors speech.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 10:56am

andyme wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:32am
dameri wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:29am


I bought 36 V motor and been driving about 3500 km. Vendor said motor is silent. The motor has been noisy all the time. Sound is sometimes louder and sometimes quieter. Motor has stock firmware. I haven't test motor on the table so that sound I cannot compare
my experience is similar, and it is great to hear that the motor is still alive after 3500 km...
i have to say that i changed from the blue gear to the metal gear because blue got broken, so this makes it rather louder. with the current firmware noise is sometimes really very low, and then there are times when it is easy to hear for everyone around me...but at least it sounds "healthy"...while this noise on the table is not so pleasant..but i agree that it is difficult to say. it is very well possible that making the motor run free like this on a table can make completely different noise...who knows...

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 26 2018 12:57pm

The thing I'm mainly asking about is the cycling quacking noise .. quack-quack-quack-quack-quack. It sounds the same when I pick it up by the bottom bracket so I don't think it has anything to do with it being on the table or unmounted.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 1:25pm

andyme wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:56am
andyme wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:32am
dameri wrote:
Nov 26 2018 10:29am


I bought 36 V motor and been driving about 3500 km. Vendor said motor is silent. The motor has been noisy all the time. Sound is sometimes louder and sometimes quieter. Motor has stock firmware. I haven't test motor on the table so that sound I cannot compare
my experience is similar, and it is great to hear that the motor is still alive after 3500 km...
i have to say that i changed from the blue gear to the metal gear because blue got broken, so this makes it rather louder. with the current firmware noise is sometimes really very low, and then there are times when it is easy to hear for everyone around me...but at least it sounds "healthy"...while this noise on the table is not so pleasant..but i agree that it is difficult to say. it is very well possible that making the motor run free like this on a table can make completely different noise...who knows...
dameri, do you have LCD 5? have you ever used walk assist or could you try this? could it be that this noise RPB is complaining about happens when using walk assist? that could be an indication...if you can say: i have stock firmware and when using walk assist i do not hear such a strange noise...then he could/would assume that his motor is defective...because he believes it does not matter whether the motor is mounted or not ...so if you have a chance to comment about frog like noise in walk assist mode...

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by dameri » Nov 26 2018 2:27pm

Yes I have LCD 5. I have used throttle at stairs because my "carage" is my home on third floor.
I haven't heard or I have not noticed any strange noise. I try throttle tomorrow when I go to work
and make report here. When I bought tsdz2 motor I just tried that throttle is working.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 2:39pm

dameri wrote:
Nov 26 2018 2:27pm
Yes I have LCD 5. I have used throttle at stairs because my "carage" is my home on third floor.
I haven't heard or I have not noticed any strange noise. I try throttle tomorrow when I go to work
and make report here. When I bought tsdz2 motor I just tried that throttle is working.
cool...haha...i understand there is a special "walk assist" button on LCD5 keypad? maybe you can try that one too so he can be sure that you have tried the same as he did....

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Ron Paul's Blimp » Nov 26 2018 2:44pm

Yeah, on mine (VLCD6), it's hold down the 'down' button for walk assist.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 3:17pm

dameri wrote:
Nov 26 2018 3:01pm
It's like that:

https://tinyurl.com/y954vh6j
yes, that is throttle..but he does not have one. so what he tried was "walk-assist" mode, where the bike will go next to you with 6 km/h when you walk so you don't have to push it. do you have this feature on your LCD5?

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by crun » Nov 26 2018 3:38pm

As I have only purchased XH18,no throttle version, can someone confirm:

VLCD5 always comes with 8 pin connector?

OR

VLCD5 only comes with 8 pin connector if you order throttle?
VLCD5 Throttle connects to ???

If you order XH18 with throttle then connector is (6pin or 8 pin)?
The throttle cable connects to ???

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by andyme » Nov 26 2018 4:01pm

crun wrote:
Nov 26 2018 3:38pm
As I have only purchased XH18,no throttle version, can someone confirm:

VLCD5 always comes with 8 pin connector?

OR

VLCD5 only comes with 8 pin connector if you order throttle?
VLCD5 Throttle connects to ???

If you order XH18 with throttle then connector is (6pin or 8 pin)?
The throttle cable connects to ???
I think this can answer your question at least to a certain extent:
https://www.eco-ebike.com/products/8-to ... 4653434962

i guess you can find about any combination .... lately they are selling 8 pin versions w/o throttle seemingly because of lack of stock...but as it seems: there are solutions...

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