48v Hybrid PHEV kit
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Lelandjt said:
Yes. Did some adjustments and using a 450 spring.
Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike
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Yes. Did some adjustments and using a 450 spring.
I don't know why they used a 10.5x3.0 but it's a unique size. Every 10.5" shock you find is gonna be 3.5" stroke. My guess is the suspension leverage gets so low* that late in the travel that you'll never use the last bit anyway.Offroader said:
*If you look at the linkage it's quite progressive so more leverage at the beginning and less at the end.
derb
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Does anyone know a European dealer who sells the foot peg bracket plates?
crazy_dave
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Hey all, new guy here. I will introduce myself when time permits but I have quick question I’m hoping someone can help me with.
I was able to get my hands on a Sur-Ron around Christmas time (2018). I saw all these great reviews about the X-controller so when they were in stock again at Luna I purchased one for $525. I have just finished reading all 124 pages and it looks like this last batch of x-controllers are not the same as the first. I mainly bought the new X for the Regen and the torque increase. I now see that the regen is not on the new controller and it sounds like the torque is not there either. I have not installed the new X yet so I do not know about the torque increase. Can someone confirm this please?
I guess the meat and potatoes of my question is….. should I keep the new X or should I try to return it?
Thank you all for your time,
Dave
I was able to get my hands on a Sur-Ron around Christmas time (2018). I saw all these great reviews about the X-controller so when they were in stock again at Luna I purchased one for $525. I have just finished reading all 124 pages and it looks like this last batch of x-controllers are not the same as the first. I mainly bought the new X for the Regen and the torque increase. I now see that the regen is not on the new controller and it sounds like the torque is not there either. I have not installed the new X yet so I do not know about the torque increase. Can someone confirm this please?
I guess the meat and potatoes of my question is….. should I keep the new X or should I try to return it?
Thank you all for your time,
Dave
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crazy_dave said:
seems the latest Luna X controllers don't have much benefit over the stock controller, other than maybe a bit quieter and smoother throttle response with the X sine wave controller.. but the X controllers from Europe and Australia DO still have regen so maybe try sourcing a regen enabled controller from them instead.. or just wait it out for more options coming.. how much regen do you want because the X controller only has "slip regen" which won't be much.. supposedly the latest version of (usa) X bikes comes with a programming cable and Luna is working on programming options..
There seems to be a lot of conflicting information flying around about the X controller. Some actual testing would be nice.
For sure the X controller has sine wave output, which will reduce noise quite a bit. It has regen capability but how it's programmed seems to vary. I've seen reports that the BMS in the battery doesn't support strong regen, but this is not confirmed. Power wise, it seems to be about the same as the standard controller, but more testing would be good here.
For sure the X controller has sine wave output, which will reduce noise quite a bit. It has regen capability but how it's programmed seems to vary. I've seen reports that the BMS in the battery doesn't support strong regen, but this is not confirmed. Power wise, it seems to be about the same as the standard controller, but more testing would be good here.
crazy_dave
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I’d like to thank you guys for the replies.
1st. regen to increase battery life is not a big factor to me. I was more interested in the (braking) aspect to make it feel more like engine braking on an ICE bike.
2nd. So should I try to return the x to Luna (if that’s even possible) and wait for an aftermarket one like described in earlier posts? Or should I hold on to the X?
Can the X be (retuned)? Or did I just $500+ on making the Sur-ron quieter ?
My apologies if I’m not using the correct terminology, this is my first Ebike. But I’ve been riding and wrenching on ICE bikes (2T&4T), ATV’s, snowmobiles,, etc… since I was 5. So it’s been about 39yrs, dear God I’m getting old LOL but I still play like I’m 16.
The way I gage the value of my bikes is by how big my smile is when I’m riding NOT in HP #. And so far the Sur-Ron has me grinning from ear to ear. And for you moto guys on the fence about this bike Im comparing it to my trials bike ( Beta Rev3), woods weapon ( KTM 200exc plated), dual sport/ supermoto (WR250 X/R), trail bike (CRF230F plated and built), BMW (F650GS), rocketship R1- (186mph and still had a little more) You get the idea. The Sur-Ron is just a different way of doing the thing I’ve loved since birth, riding a bike.
Thx again for the replies.
1st. regen to increase battery life is not a big factor to me. I was more interested in the (braking) aspect to make it feel more like engine braking on an ICE bike.
2nd. So should I try to return the x to Luna (if that’s even possible) and wait for an aftermarket one like described in earlier posts? Or should I hold on to the X?
Can the X be (retuned)? Or did I just $500+ on making the Sur-ron quieter ?
My apologies if I’m not using the correct terminology, this is my first Ebike. But I’ve been riding and wrenching on ICE bikes (2T&4T), ATV’s, snowmobiles,, etc… since I was 5. So it’s been about 39yrs, dear God I’m getting old LOL but I still play like I’m 16.
The way I gage the value of my bikes is by how big my smile is when I’m riding NOT in HP #. And so far the Sur-Ron has me grinning from ear to ear. And for you moto guys on the fence about this bike Im comparing it to my trials bike ( Beta Rev3), woods weapon ( KTM 200exc plated), dual sport/ supermoto (WR250 X/R), trail bike (CRF230F plated and built), BMW (F650GS), rocketship R1- (186mph and still had a little more) You get the idea. The Sur-Ron is just a different way of doing the thing I’ve loved since birth, riding a bike.
Thx again for the replies.
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Marv1337n said:
inquire from the seller their return policy on the product, once used returnability is probably much less likely.. also the seller should know which version controller was sold/ sent according to the date of purchase and maybe the serial number.. only the early version aftermarket X controllers from luna had engine breaking "slip regen" and luna removed mention of regen from their sales ad shortly after because later Luna x controllers and x bikes did not have regen engine breaking at all..
3DTOPO
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motomoto said:
I could be wrong because sadly Luna has made quite a mess of the X-Controller - instead of selling the same named controller with vastly different features, they really should at least have different version numbers. It's really a shame they aren't more clear on this.
But anyways, based on all the reports I've read on the subject, it sounds to me that the newer X-Controller is a sine wave, has more power (compared to the stock controller) but is lacking regen breaking. Which I think is really sad since out of all the upgrades I've added to my bike, the motor braking has got to be #1 for me.
skyungjae
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I think the first person/company to make a mostly plug n play controller and higher voltage and/or discharge rate battery is going to make bank. These bikes have a lot of potential.
Allex
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This is how you do a drop in replacement controller.
Thermo Nucular controller 24F
Maximum power 20 000W
Nominal power 10 000W
Voltage range 20-90V
Phase max 500A
Battery max ~300A
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=75494
Thermo Nucular controller 24F
Maximum power 20 000W
Nominal power 10 000W
Voltage range 20-90V
Phase max 500A
Battery max ~300A
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=75494
Allex said:
Nice! Plenty of extra room in there and a really nice heat sink.
Tommm said:
I'm sure it can handle more.
I like the bong in the background of the picture :wink:
Offroader said:
It's visible in the other picture of the unpotted controller. But it's buried under the potting.
captnshrms
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fechter said:
This is amazing, any chance you might want to build another? I've got some battery upgrade money around, and this is the best setup I've seen for my application by far, when I need the range I'm almost always on the road, and carrying a second stock pack is ridiculous. If you aren't interested in building another, maybe I could bug you for a few more pictures? It's a beautiful setup.
captnshrms said:
Sorry, unlikely I would have time to make another one. I'm struggling to finish the first one. It has not be tested yet. Once I get it finished and tested, I'll post construction pics. My design is based largely on what I had available in my junk pile and could be improved upon quite a bit.
Partially welded half pack:
