Hillhater said:Australia (South ) , thought they were being smart a few years ago when they committed to wind & Solar, backed up by Teslas (then) worlds biggest battery ..129 MWh, ..100MW output).... But they still have to rely on mainly gas generation (often 90+%) and imported power fromcoal generators.
The battery is an insignificant contribution even to the small 3GW peak demand of SA
A 100 MW capable battery is not really a serious part of a 20-30 GW grid system
NaS is way beyond "proof of concept".Punx0r said:One ~100MW battery isn't a significant part of Abu Dhabi''s grid either , but it's a great proof of concept.
Its stated to be the largest, but its certainly not the first sodium sulphur battery installed for grid support.spinningmagnets said:I don't know of any other sodium / sulphur battery this large. Someone needs to do this to provide hard data...
Hillhater said:An interesting paper comparing. PbA, Lithium, NaS, and other options, for an actual Real project
https://www.prpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/HDR-Battery-Energy-Storage-Assessment.pdf
Hillhater said:Its interesting that these 300+ NaS grid scale large battery installations have largly passed unnoticed over the past 17 years, whilst all the attention has focussed on the fewer, but much hyped, Tesla installations. ?
The power of media influence ?
The power of novelty.Hillhater said:Its interesting that these 300+ NaS grid scale large battery installations have largly passed unnoticed over the past 17 years, whilst all the attention has focussed on the fewer, but much hyped, Tesla installations. ?
The power of media influence ?
billvon said:The power of novelty.
"New lithium ion storage systems installed" - people read that; media outlets make money.
"Old sodium sulfur storage systems still working" - no one reads that; media outlets lose money.
Media gives people what they want to read.
The Tesla CEO made a bet that he could install the world’s biggest battery in South Australia within 100 days, and the whole installation would be free if the company failed. On Thursday, it was revealed that the project has been completed with 46 days to spare.
...Its called manipulation of the facts ..!cricketo said:Meh... Try this :
The Tesla CEO made a bet that he could install the world’s biggest battery in South Australia within 100 days, and the whole installation would be free if the company failed. On Thursday, it was revealed that the project has been completed with 46 days to spare.
..the "agreement" with Tesla/AEON was first made on July 7th, ..effectively giving Tesla an extra 83 days "head start" before official project signing on 29th September !The battery construction was completed and testing began on 25 November 2017. It was connected to the grid on 1 December 2017.[21] This easily beat Elon Musk's wager of "100 days from contract signature",[10][22][23] which started when a grid connection agreement was signed with ElectraNet on 29 September 2017.[9] Tesla had already begun construction, and some units were already operational by the time the contract was signed....
Hillhater said:So really it took Tesla 139 days.....more than twice as long as the press release statement.
cricketo said:s
Hillhater said:So really it took Tesla 139 days.....more than twice as long as the press release statement.
Cool, you caught them on misrepresentation of facts. How long did it take to construct sodium-sulphur battery references above ?
.....This is the first MW-scale project in which a newly developed containerized NAS system was utilized. The containerized NAS system expedited installation drastically, and the huge 300MWh installation was implemented in just six months after NGK received the order.....
Hillhater said:The NGK site quotes the following for the 300MWh Fukuoka installation..
.....This is the first MW-scale project in which a newly developed containerized NAS system was utilized. The containerized NAS system expedited installation drastically, and the huge 300MWh installation was implemented in just six months after NGK received the order.....