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I was looking at this guys tweets, he could be a left-wing tribalist where the truth simply doesn't matter but I think its possible he actually believes the garbage he retweets entirely https://twitter.com/icurcards
I found his tweets an interesting "window" into the madness, it seems clear the centre-core fountain of his bad information is broadcast ABC media.
I don't come on here much as I used to but its amazing what's out there on Youtube and it seems like every professional person out there is on Twitter and has a point of view or even expert analysis of what's going on out there.
I saw one expert break down how a lot of LCE charts you see that are in any way in favour of Wind/Solar are pretty much fake made up garbage, but I will have to go digging for the link for those interested, in reality just use your common sense and look at real-world retail prices next to those with the most wind turbines in their states that actually try to rely on them like South Australia and Germany.
Then there is "trusted sources" like ABC news and BOM which is the Australian government Bureau of Meteorology ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Meteorology ) for watching the weather etc in Australia, but these guys have been caught countless times simply lying their arses off about just about anything.
They were caught red-handed deliberately deleting data of record cold temperatures recordings during the recent winters in Australia. Why do this? because ultra cold days/weeks ruin "annual temp averages" that they can then use to claim it's getting warmer https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation ... 290028b783
And most recent was the claiming "all-new record hot temperatures in Adelaide" while simply ignoring older records.
https://youtu.be/4bcMo9hqI4g
I found his tweets an interesting "window" into the madness, it seems clear the centre-core fountain of his bad information is broadcast ABC media.
I don't come on here much as I used to but its amazing what's out there on Youtube and it seems like every professional person out there is on Twitter and has a point of view or even expert analysis of what's going on out there.
I saw one expert break down how a lot of LCE charts you see that are in any way in favour of Wind/Solar are pretty much fake made up garbage, but I will have to go digging for the link for those interested, in reality just use your common sense and look at real-world retail prices next to those with the most wind turbines in their states that actually try to rely on them like South Australia and Germany.
Then there is "trusted sources" like ABC news and BOM which is the Australian government Bureau of Meteorology ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Meteorology ) for watching the weather etc in Australia, but these guys have been caught countless times simply lying their arses off about just about anything.
They were caught red-handed deliberately deleting data of record cold temperatures recordings during the recent winters in Australia. Why do this? because ultra cold days/weeks ruin "annual temp averages" that they can then use to claim it's getting warmer https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation ... 290028b783
And most recent was the claiming "all-new record hot temperatures in Adelaide" while simply ignoring older records.
https://youtu.be/4bcMo9hqI4g
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Re: Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear
Just turn off your TV & computer and disconnect from the grid. Helps you, helps us. 

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Living In The Future's Past movie.
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Amazing film making. Stunning cinematography and editing. Brilliant audio capture and music design. A complex story that needs to be contemplated by more people, more often. Essential concepts for all humans to understand going forward.
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https://youtu.be/3nAXVP0u7GI
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Amazing film making. Stunning cinematography and editing. Brilliant audio capture and music design. A complex story that needs to be contemplated by more people, more often. Essential concepts for all humans to understand going forward.
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https://youtu.be/3nAXVP0u7GI
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Hagens has thrown together a series of short videos explaining energy/ economy/ psychology (ecology to follow next week) that his Dean of the Honors College at University of Minnesota pushed him to produce. Every incoming freshman is now required to view them.
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Malkovich Malkovich ?sendler2112 wrote: ↑Feb 16 2019 1:57pmHagens has thrown together a series of short videos explaining energy/ economy/ psychology (ecology to follow next week) that his Dean of the Honors College at University of Minnesota pushed him to produce. Every incoming freshman is now required to view them.
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???cricketo wrote: ↑Feb 18 2019 10:43amMalkovich Malkovich ?sendler2112 wrote: ↑Feb 16 2019 1:57pmHagens has thrown together a series of short videos explaining energy/ economy/ psychology (ecology to follow next week) that his Dean of the Honors College at University of Minnesota pushed him to produce. Every incoming freshman is now required to view them.
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Did you watch the videos? Anyone? This is essential information that everyone in the world needs to understand if we want to make wise decisions going forward. It has been simplified and condensed down to the minimum time and difficulty level. Watch on 1.5 speed for the time/ attention span poor.
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Ill watch the vids and say what i make if it when I got five mins it may not be nice or pretty but I'll be honest.
I've heard alot of enthusiastic people jump on concrete storage for solar and wind, but by the time we extract the energy from the wind or solar we then have to turn it back to mechanical energy when we lift the weight and then back to electrical when we lower it so the efficencys are piss poor.
Solar with 25% would get under 5% of the original solar energy to grid offshore wind may improve that to just under 10% but thats only because solar panels are about the same as an onshore wind farm for total energy capture around 25% while offshore can be upto 40% of the wind energy captured.
One things for sure we need energy storage and we need vast amounts of it no matter it's size as it's stationary but the conversion losses need to be improved.
I've heard alot of enthusiastic people jump on concrete storage for solar and wind, but by the time we extract the energy from the wind or solar we then have to turn it back to mechanical energy when we lift the weight and then back to electrical when we lower it so the efficencys are piss poor.
Solar with 25% would get under 5% of the original solar energy to grid offshore wind may improve that to just under 10% but thats only because solar panels are about the same as an onshore wind farm for total energy capture around 25% while offshore can be upto 40% of the wind energy captured.
One things for sure we need energy storage and we need vast amounts of it no matter it's size as it's stationary but the conversion losses need to be improved.
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sendler2112 wrote: ↑Feb 18 2019 11:19am???
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Did you watch the videos? Anyone? This is essential information that everyone in the world needs to understand if we want to make wise decisions going forward. It has been simplified and condensed down to the minimum time and difficulty level. Watch on 1.5 speed for the time/ attention span poor.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLL1uo ... /playlists
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So I have to take that as a no. So sad. But I understand. It is human nature to suppress anything that challenges a current belief (that you already know everything and have no need to learn anything new).cricketo wrote: ↑Feb 18 2019 11:33amsendler2112 wrote: ↑Feb 18 2019 11:19am???
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Did you watch the videos? Anyone? This is essential information that everyone in the world needs to understand if we want to make wise decisions going forward. It has been simplified and condensed down to the minimum time and difficulty level. Watch on 1.5 speed for the time/ attention span poor.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLL1uo ... /playlists
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It is a property of a religion-prone mind to seek out a single ultimate source of truth and reject any alternatives no matter how legitimate. You found your Jesus, and now everything else is just heresy 
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First of all, if you would bother to find out, most eco- warriors find nothing contradictory in anything Hagens is saying. No. I found a source that is putting forward a new synthesis of understanding on how the studies of energy, economy, ecology. and psychology fit together. Which was previously talked about by only a few and was not readily available until recently. If you really want to participate in the discussion, I recommend that you at least skim the material that is put forward here. And then you may intelligently refute it if you wish. If not, you may please feel free to ignore anything I write about. There is little more I can do about that. But your childish replies as above without even attempting to understand what is being presented, or your other personal favorite "one trick pony"
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is not helping anything.
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I have posted dozens of other essays and manifestos here. You are late to the party and didn't bother to read in.
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Odd ? ..this is what i read...
I see you have never watched Australia's ABC channel.. (which is 100% Public funded)
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I don't have any subscription for TV, and pretty sure Australian ABC isn't broadcasting in Oregon

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The Govmnt controls the public funding and decides how much the ABC budget is.
Why do you make comments on things you have no knowledge of ?
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Here is something for you to scrutinize in your usual fashion : https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-bi ... or-itself/
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Yes, we have been there and done that previously...nothing new there !cricketo wrote: ↑Feb 18 2019 5:58pmHere is something for you to scrutinize in your usual fashion : https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-bi ... or-itself/
The battery is making much money (from consumers) for providing sevices (FCAS) , ..that were not needed before SA introduced a high % of wind and solar generation.
Just extra cost to a expensive power supply system .

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What happened when i bought a house with Solar already installed..
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019 ... ar-panels/
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019 ... ar-panels/
............just before we entered escrow, we learned the solar array hadn’t belonged to (the owner.) It was, in the language of the industry, a third-party-owner, or TPO, system, belonging to Sunrun Inc., the largest provider of residential solar in the U.S. I started looking into the TPO model. It’s used less often than it once was, but it’s been important in making residential solar, once out of reach for most people, much more widespread. The reason is simple: Homeowners usually pay nothing upfront. A company like Sunrun puts solar panels on your roof, connects them to your home, and claims a tax benefit for owning the system. Going forward, you pay Sunrun to provide the bulk of your electricity needs instead of your utility.
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Never buy a house with a PPA solar system. Insist the owner either remove it or buy it from the provider before the sale completes.
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Did you catch the point that they are one of the biggest players in the solar market, particularly in California, with busines forcast to grow 30% this year
Eventually, Sunrun’s patience paid off. ....
.... By early 2018 the company was deploying more residential megawatts than any of its rivals. It’s gained market share every quarter but one since mid-2015, has 218,000 customers across 22 states, Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico (California accounts for about half of them), and employs more than 4,000 people. Sunrun’s shares have nearly tripled in value in the past 12 months, and the company projects that its customer base will grow 30 percent in the current fiscal year.
And not so far down the road is the new mandate in California. Jurich sees this as normalizing solar, making it feel less risky for homeowners to adopt. More specifically, she told me, it will be good for companies using the TPO model. Builders won’t want to offer solar as an owned part of the home because that will inflate the sticker price. Instead, she said, buyers will finance the systems via a separate transaction—one that Sunrun is in talks with the state’s 10 biggest homebuilders to provide. Sunrun relies on TPO for 85 percent of its business.
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Yep. And my advice stands - don't do it. Even if it's really popular to do.
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They must be preying on low income households because a fully installed system can be had for $3.5k. $4k if its completely unsubsidised. That's entirely manageable.
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Roof top solar is $3/ Watt installed without storage in the USA. $1.60/ Watt for the parts from mail order. Community gridscale solar is running $2.20.