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Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by FREYebikes » May 03 2019 1:01am

Glad to get the latest M600 2.0 version full suspension bike info. and would like to discuss with more friends and ebike riders. it just be tested at a mountain bike park, the performance is really exciting!

Some pictures and video have a look below:
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Youtube Video address: https://youtu.be/QGbIhHO4RuI

in the following will come with a geometry chart in 3 sizes M, L, XL

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by LowkeeRider » May 04 2019 7:31pm

Looks very nice, what size battery? I didn't see it on Frey's website, when is it available?

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by FREYebikes » May 04 2019 10:37pm

Battery capacity available now is 48V 14AH.
We will upload product link with detailed info and Geometry in coming week. I will post here for all of you who interested to have a look.

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by FREYebikes » May 04 2019 11:07pm

Geometry for M600 2.0 as below:
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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by washi » May 07 2019 5:33am

Looking good!
Do we have any information about the weight of the bike with the 48V 14AH battery?

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Post by FREYebikes » May 07 2019 7:51am

M600 2.0 product link below if you are interested to have a look:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 71d2CNkpQV

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by Drop Dead Fred » May 08 2019 12:13am

Hello Ivy,
Great looking bike!

One question, are the brakes MT5e or just MT5?

Thanks,
Fred

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Post by FREYebikes » May 09 2019 2:28am

Hi Fred,

M600 motor can come with braking power cut function.

Regards,
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Post by Drop Dead Fred » May 10 2019 9:27pm

FREYebikes wrote:
May 09 2019 2:28am
Hi Fred,

M600 motor can come with braking power cut function.

Regards,
Ivy
Hi Ivy,

Thanks for the info, I just wanted to make sure you were using the cut out function in your brakes as the name did not say MT5e, it just says MT5.

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Post by Deafcat » May 17 2019 5:08pm

FREYebikes wrote:
May 07 2019 7:51am
M600 2.0 product link below if you are interested to have a look:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 71d2CNkpQV
Looking good! This bike is a very tidy design execution and the components are well selected. Great work!

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by bradytimes » Jul 14 2019 6:06pm

I've pulled the trigger and ordered this bike. I already have a Scott Big Ed with a Bafang BBSHD motor and am very happy with it, especially in open stretches. But the cadence-only sensor on the BBSHD has a half-second delay, making technical single track less fun. I'm getting a second eBike because I want to ride with family and a few lucky friends.

I considered a few other bikes:

Frey AM1000 - The geometry is similar to the M600. Both have a slack 66.5 degree head tube angle making it good on descents. Main differences are the motor, weight, and aesthetics. The motor on the AM1000 is a beast. Going up hills won't be a problem. The downside to the big motor (and larger battery) is the weight. I figured a 12-pound motor is overkill for a single-track bike. If I want to go 30 MPH without breaking a sweat, I'll take my Big Ed. Finally, the appearance of the AM1000 is a bit dated compared to the new M600. The AM1000 doesn't fit a water bottle on the frame either. The M600 does. That's a big win in my book.

Frey Hunter - This is similar to my current bike, but with the torque-sensing Bafang Ultra motor. I love how my fat bike can power up loose climbs and not slip. I considered a second fatbike so that bring others on the same trails, year-round. In the end, I decided to diversify.

Luna Cycle X-1 Enduro - This is another full-suspension with the Bafang M600 motor. To be honest, I probably would have bought this bike for the introductory price of $3,500, but it was sold out. This has it all, if not a bit on the bleeding edge...a 12-speed eagle on an eBike, seriously? Carbon. Wow! I'd say yes, especially since Luna is domestic and stands by their warranties. I also like the extra tweaks that Luna puts into their motors. The one thing that I don't like about the X-1 is the frame configuration. I'm not a fan of the forward-facing rear suspension. It gets in the way...no room for a water bottle.

I also considered bikes from other manufacturers on Alibaba. I didn't consider any name-brand bikes because they're underpowered and overpriced, IMHO.

Ultimately, I decided to go with the Frey M600 because it looks amazing! It's like getting an expensive name brand bike but with a throttle and more power. I'm hoping that it will handle the single track better and feel more like a bike. I kind of look forward to working a bit harder going up hills too. My current bike has made me lazy. Before finalizing my purchase, I confirmed with Frey that the M600 comes with steel gears, not nylon. Some early models did and broke a lot. The bike also comes with a 12-month warranty on electric parts.

Buying this bike has taken a leap of faith since there aren't any reviews yet. I'll let you know what I think during the manufacturing process and after it arrives in a couple of months. Let me know if you have any questions along the way.

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Post by Marmalade » Jul 27 2019 4:37am

+1.. just ordered to complement my AM1000. Beautiful bike & hopefully a little more nimble!

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Post by bradytimes » Aug 14 2019 4:37pm

My bike’s ready. Frey sent some pics. See them below.

I'm happy to see that there's a chain protector. I've heard stories of people losing fingers with torque sensor motors. This makes the bike much safer for me and my kids. I also like the glossy paint job. Frey did a great job of using the logo to blend the dark motor/underbody with the blue top tube. It draws attention from the fact that it's an ebike.

I'm not quite sure what's going on with the cable management upfront. Seems a bit bulky. Part of that is due to the shift sensor, the little box in front of the right handlebar. It should be moved to the rear chainstay. This is where I placed it on my other bike. Hardly noticeable. I also have concerns about bunching all the cables together. The combined weight will cause the cables to slap the head tube when going over bumpy terrain. To balance this out, the cables for the display and headlight should be routed to the other side. Maybe more.

I'll post more when it arrives. I'm curious how the M600 motor handles. Unlike the Bafang Ultra motor, the M600 doesn't provide a way to customize the torque settings. I've heard that the default Ultra settings need tweaking to give it a good feel. Let's hope that Bafang has worked out the kinks this time around.
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Post by Marmalade » Aug 27 2019 5:52am

Can't wait to read your review on this. Perhaps the shift sensor was put there due to it complaints about water/mud ingress.. which is easily rectified with some heatshrink filled with a little hot glue. Will be an interesting comparison with the am1000, i'm looking forward to getting an update on mine soon as well !

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by bradytimes » Sep 22 2019 3:12am

My bike came a few days ago. Here's a video of the unboxing and assembly. https://youtu.be/BTiXsz7Nz-k

I've taken it on a few rides in the foothills and like it a lot, but with a few caveats.

Pros:
* Suspension - Very plush front and rear.
* Geometry - The slack headtube inspires confidence.
* Responsive Pedal Assist - The Torque-Sensing motor is much more responsive than the BBSHD motor (cadence sensor only). Great on singletrack. The power assist kicks in almost immediately after pushing the pedals forward. The power delivery is pretty smooth, not jerky.

Cons:
* Noise of motor - Compared to the BBSHD, which is pretty silent, the M600 puts out more sound than expected. It's pretty noticeable when in lower gears and going under 10 MPH. I think this is because it has a lot more internal gearing. It's better when going over 20 and in a higher gear. I'd give this a 7 out of 10 in the negative mark. I rode a Trek bike with a Bosch motor for comparison and the Bafang is a bit louder.
* Top Speed - The top speed for pedal and throttle assist cuts out after 28 MPH. This is a true class 3 bike if you take away the throttle. It provides about 800 watts of power for the first 10 to 15 seconds. Reaching 28 MPH is pretty easy when in Assist level 5 or when holding the throttle. But for some reason, this is short-lived and it likes to settle in around 25 MPG, even in power assist level 5. Finally, when the battery level drops below 25%, the power delivery just eeks out a max of 133 watts. When this happens, you'll definitely be reminded of the good 'ol days when you had to work to go over 15 MPH.

In summary, this is a fun bike for singletrack. The plush suspension, enduro geometry, and light(er) weight inspire confidence on steep technical descents. On loopy, twisty trails with jumps, it's an absolute blast. The power is better than what you'll find in the name brand bikes, especially at this price. But don't expect this bike to do all of the work for you, especially when going on long, sustained open stretches where you just want to go fast. If that's what you want, definitely go with this the M600's older brother, the AM1000 with the Bafang Ultra.

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Post by litespeed » Sep 22 2019 9:14am

What did the weight end up being on your bike? I’m wondering what the difference is between the M600 and AM1000.

Beautiful bike!

Congrats.

Tom
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Post by bradytimes » Sep 23 2019 11:13am

It weighs 62 pounds. It's a Large.

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Post by tsellers » Oct 09 2019 7:50pm

I am also hoping to order one of these soon, just waiting to get some info from Frey about accessorizing the order.
Regards, John

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Post by tsellers » Oct 14 2019 7:51pm

I will be getting some empty battery cases when I order mine, as I plan to make up my own battery with 21700 cells. So I need to plan ahead as I have already ordered my cells and charger, but I may just have time to ask for the correct end on the charger. I can't quite make it out from the pic's, can you tell me what style of connector the batter charger port uses?
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Post by tsellers » Nov 19 2019 4:38pm

Took delivery of the bike yesterday. Frey was able to supply me with 3 empty battery cases.

Now I need to make a plan to assess feasibility to build a 52V battery with 21700 cells, and also to make a connection for an external 48V battery pack, which I already have 2 of. For the latter, the plan is to run external wires through an empty battery case and out the port on the right side of the frame and use it to make my connection, which will also keep the mud and debris out of the battery compartment.

I have asked Frey for a wiring diagram for the battery and battery compartment.

Also I have a question with respect to the coax charger port that is on the bike frame. When I test it with a multi meter, it shows a closed circuit between the center pin and the outer barrel, so they have continuity. Would anyone that also has this model be able to tell me if this is how it is supposed to be, or is there a short circuit? I suspected originally that it connects to the 'A' and 'B' pins that are in battery compartment for charging the battery. When I check, there in fact is continuity between all four pins in the battery compartment, as well as both the center pin and outer barrel of the external frame mounted charge port.

Any feedback on this would be appreciated.
Regards, John

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Post by tsellers » Nov 19 2019 9:18pm

Perhaps you can help with this. When I try to install the front wheel using the spacers that were enclosed, the fit does not work. It looks to me that the space between the dropouts on the Yari is 109mm. When I place these spacers on the wheel, their width is about 113mm, so the wheel will not fit between to forks. Can anyone tell by looking at the picture if these match the spacers you had to use for your front axel with the Yari forks? Image
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Post by tsellers » Nov 20 2019 12:24am

I managed to figure out what the problem was, so it's probably worth it to post the solution here as it is possible someone else in future may unbox an M600 bike and have a problematic assembly with the same problem. The picture below shows the right side.

The axel tube was not sticking out far enough on the left side. Using an assortment of nuts, bolts and washers, I had to push the axel tube from the right side to the left side. Then, with another assortment to make up a DIY bearing press, I had to press the bearing in on the right side so that the spacer would seat. Now I can get the wheel onto the fork.

Here is how to tell if you may have this problem. In the picture below, this is the right side. Notice how the axel tube is pushed out and extrudes about 4mm past the bearing race. That is backwards to how it is supposed to be. The axel tube should be sticking out the other side (left) by 4mm, and the bearing on the right side should be recessed by 4mm so that the right side spacer can seat into it. When the bearing is sticking out like in this picture, your cannot press the bearing back into the axel tube (I tried with a home made bearing press and I'm lucky I didn't break something). The axel tube is obviously machined so it stops the bearing.

I got the impression from Frey they tested the bike before shipping. But could not have, because there would be no way they would have got the front wheel onto the bike like this, and axel tubes don't just slide around during shipping. Yeah, so happy to have spent 6 hours just trying to mount my front wheel. Have yet to power it up, hopefully no more surprises.

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Post by FREYebikes » Nov 20 2019 8:15am

Hi John,

all the components are in standard specs and dimension. at beginning we put on the 2 spacer on the hub not removed, but some customer missed or dropped the spacer when they put on the wheel, that's the reason we removed and put in the carton instead of leave them on hub.
L is for left side and R for right side, they should fit just well if you put them in right position.
Hope you have figured it out and build up the bike well.

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Post by tsellers » Nov 20 2019 11:31am

they should fit just well if you put them in right position.
Thanks, but I think you missed the explanation of what the problem was: IE, they did NOT fit because the axel tube was not positioned properly when sent from the factory.

Just some friendly advice for your production or testing team. It took me 6 hours to get my front wheel on. I did not have a bearing press tool so I had to make one from nuts, bolts and washers. The axel tube was not sticking out far enough on the left side. I had to push the axel tube from the right side to the left side. Then, with another assortment to make up a DIY bearing press, I had to press the bearing in on the right side so that the spacer would seat.

I actually sent the above picture to Frey while the staff were working (we were corresponding back and forth at the time). I think for anyone that is familiar with the spacers and how they mount on the Frey M600, the above picture makes the problem easy to spot. Unfortunately it was not spotted until my spouse noted in one of the pictures that Frey had sent me of the positioning of the spacers that the axel tube on the left side of the example picture was protruding out more than mine was. So, because I am not nearly as smart as my spouse is, I had already spent quite a few hours trying to figure out why I could not press the bearing on the right side further into the axel tube with my DIY bearing press. Once I pushed the axel tube further to the left side, I was then able to push the bearing further back into the tube so that the spacer would then seat correctly.

6 hours is a long time to try and figure out what the problem is just to get a front wheel on the bike, and I'm lucky I did not damage it. I had the impression that this bike was tested before shipment, but it could not have been tested because the front wheel could not be placed on the bike. For the sake of your business and reputation, I'd suggest that you might want to look at your assembly
and QC procedures to try and prevent this sort of mistake from happening in the future, and, if you think that errors like this might happen again, you may want to provide some assembly instructions to accompany the bike.
Regards, John

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