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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Joachim » Jul 15 2019 1:52pm

ebikeguy123 wrote:
Jul 15 2019 1:19pm
Webp.net-resizeimage.jpgTesting a new controller/ rapid charger that also does V2G.

30 min charge time
200 km range
100 kph
Also has ABS, launch control and traction control. With a small front hub motor you can have 2 wheel drive and ABS regen.

https://hubsink.com/products/sketchbrak ... 7997382536

70% efficient regen using capacitors.

companies like www.gogoro.com are the customer but a version is being made to upgrade sur ron so you dont have to buy a second battery and lug it around and one third the cost.

Also has ABS, launch control and traction control.

The inventor of this controller is a Physicist and has designed and patented inverters that are widely used in the market today.

will post video of charging Sur Ron battery in 30 min vrs 3 hours

111 patents. 300 units have been made CSA approved. Units demoed at www.magna.com and https://www.tesla.com/solarpanels?energy_redirect=true

Thrive2 has filmed a segment on this device that will be in there next movie release. www.thrivemovement.com

ISO 9001 certified. has been tested for two years at The National Institute of Science & Technology and at The Pecan Street Project, an advanced smart grid research project in Austin, Texas.

Evaluation has been done of Autonomous Distributed Technology to Mitigate Adverse Impacts of Intermittent Resources and Transient Events.

EPRI is the main research arm for the grid companies in North America. They have done exhaustive tests verifying the functions.

"It is a Universal Power Interface by using intense amounts of logic, can bi-directionally transfer power between any combinations of its four connections. Each power module has two DC connections and two AC connections. Each DC terminal can connect to batteries of any chemistry, solar panels, fuel cells, DC wind generators, alternators, etc. The AC connections are for AC loads, the Grid and generators. It requires the HTREM to be operated." No other product has a definition that broad. It also means that all of these features were tested and verified at full operating levels for sustained times at temperatures at the minimum and maximum of our specifications as well as at nominal. It includes sustained operation with multiple simulated lightning surges, direct short circuits and most things that are possible. It is verified that it can shut down safely and not ever present a risk of electrical shock or a fire hazard. This is key for insurance companies, mortgages, building codes and permits and any solar incentive programs. The CSA listing is the equivalent of the UL listing, but for Canada.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech ... r-storage/

Why bikes instead of cars?

33 million e-bikes were sold in 2017 vs 2.3 million e-cars.
Bicycles and motorcycles combined outsell cars 3 to 1.

$3 trillion delivery market https://seekingalpha.com/article/425049 ... ery-market?

Grocery delivery driver making $100k a year https://youtu.be/nA88yPH8akI

Sur-ron with a sidecar is 7 cents vrs a car at 70 cents. Unlicensed, registration or insurance. This solves the problem of half the income a delivery person makes goes to the vehicle costs.

Africa is the ultimate market...to boldly go where no other infrastructure has gone before...

Africa is home to the 10 fastest growing cities in the world https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-i ... the-world/

https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1028350408

Also in talks with people at https://www.sidewalklabs.com/
you charge a stock sur-ron battery in 30 min :lol: 18650 cells 16S-11P 1800Wh battery. so a 3.6Kwh charger....3600wh so 22Watt per cell :flame: :flame: :flame: you wil charge a Panasonic cell with 2C so need a tesla style cooling system in the battery module

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by ebikeguy123 » Jul 15 2019 2:09pm

30 min for 80% charge with a custom built battery pack .. not using Panasonic
Joachim wrote:
Jul 15 2019 1:52pm
ebikeguy123 wrote:
Jul 15 2019 1:19pm
Webp.net-resizeimage.jpgTesting a new controller/ rapid charger that also does V2G.

30 min charge time
200 km range
100 kph
Also has ABS, launch control and traction control. With a small front hub motor you can have 2 wheel drive and ABS regen.

https://hubsink.com/products/sketchbrak ... 7997382536

70% efficient regen using capacitors.

companies like www.gogoro.com are the customer but a version is being made to upgrade sur ron so you dont have to buy a second battery and lug it around and one third the cost.

Also has ABS, launch control and traction control.

The inventor of this controller/ rapid charger is a Physicist and has designed and patented inverters that are widely used in the market today.

will post video of charging Sur Ron battery in 30 min vrs 3 hours

111 patents. 300 units have been made CSA approved. Units demoed at www.magna.com and https://www.tesla.com/solarpanels?energy_redirect=true

Thrive2 has filmed a segment on this device that will be in there next movie release. www.thrivemovement.com

ISO 9001 certified. has been tested for two years at The National Institute of Science & Technology and at The Pecan Street Project, an advanced smart grid research project in Austin, Texas.

Evaluation has been done of Autonomous Distributed Technology to Mitigate Adverse Impacts of Intermittent Resources and Transient Events.

EPRI is the main research arm for the grid companies in North America. They have done exhaustive tests verifying the functions.

"It is a Universal Power Interface by using intense amounts of logic, can bi-directionally transfer power between any combinations of its four connections. Each power module has two DC connections and two AC connections. Each DC terminal can connect to batteries of any chemistry, solar panels, fuel cells, DC wind generators, alternators, etc. The AC connections are for AC loads, the Grid and generators. It requires the HTREM to be operated." No other product has a definition that broad. It also means that all of these features were tested and verified at full operating levels for sustained times at temperatures at the minimum and maximum of our specifications as well as at nominal. It includes sustained operation with multiple simulated lightning surges, direct short circuits and most things that are possible. It is verified that it can shut down safely and not ever present a risk of electrical shock or a fire hazard. This is key for insurance companies, mortgages, building codes and permits and any solar incentive programs. The CSA listing is the equivalent of the UL listing, but for Canada.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech ... r-storage/

Why bikes instead of cars?

33 million e-bikes were sold in 2017 vs 2.3 million e-cars.
Bicycles and motorcycles combined outsell cars 3 to 1.

$3 trillion delivery market https://seekingalpha.com/article/425049 ... ery-market?

Grocery delivery driver making $100k a year https://youtu.be/nA88yPH8akI

Sur-ron with a sidecar is 7 cents vrs a car at 70 cents. Unlicensed, registration or insurance. This solves the problem of half the income a delivery person makes goes to the vehicle costs.

Africa is the ultimate market...to boldly go where no other infrastructure has gone before...

Africa is home to the 10 fastest growing cities in the world https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-i ... the-world/

https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1028350408

Also in talks with people at https://www.sidewalklabs.com/
you charge a stock sur-ron battery in 30 min :lol: 18650 cells 16S-11P 1800Wh battery. so a 3.6Kwh charger....3600wh so 22Watt per cell :flame: :flame: :flame: you wil charge a Panasonic cell with 2C so need a tesla style cooling system in the battery module
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by ebikeguy123 » Jul 15 2019 2:12pm

will post a video to show the charging with thermal gun and lots of info.

10 units available for evaluation so you can see for yourself. Anyone in Toronto Canada can stop by and see it charge and discharge for yourself. Located 5 min from Toronto Pearson Airport
ebikeguy123 wrote:
Jul 15 2019 2:09pm
30 min for 80% charge with a custom built battery pack .. not using Panasonic
Joachim wrote:
Jul 15 2019 1:52pm
ebikeguy123 wrote:
Jul 15 2019 1:19pm
Webp.net-resizeimage.jpgTesting a new controller/ rapid charger that also does V2G.

30 min charge time
200 km range
100 kph
Also has ABS, launch control and traction control. With a small front hub motor you can have 2 wheel drive and ABS regen.

https://hubsink.com/products/sketchbrak ... 7997382536

70% efficient regen using capacitors.

companies like www.gogoro.com are the customer but a version is being made to upgrade sur ron so you dont have to buy a second battery and lug it around and one third the cost.

Also has ABS, launch control and traction control.

The inventor of this controller is a Physicist and has designed and patented inverters that are widely used in the market today.

will post video of charging Sur Ron battery in 30 min vrs 3 hours

111 patents. 300 units have been made CSA approved. Units demoed at www.magna.com and https://www.tesla.com/solarpanels?energy_redirect=true

Thrive2 has filmed a segment on this device that will be in there next movie release. www.thrivemovement.com

ISO 9001 certified. has been tested for two years at The National Institute of Science & Technology and at The Pecan Street Project, an advanced smart grid research project in Austin, Texas.

Evaluation has been done of Autonomous Distributed Technology to Mitigate Adverse Impacts of Intermittent Resources and Transient Events.

EPRI is the main research arm for the grid companies in North America. They have done exhaustive tests verifying the functions.

"It is a Universal Power Interface by using intense amounts of logic, can bi-directionally transfer power between any combinations of its four connections. Each power module has two DC connections and two AC connections. Each DC terminal can connect to batteries of any chemistry, solar panels, fuel cells, DC wind generators, alternators, etc. The AC connections are for AC loads, the Grid and generators. It requires the HTREM to be operated." No other product has a definition that broad. It also means that all of these features were tested and verified at full operating levels for sustained times at temperatures at the minimum and maximum of our specifications as well as at nominal. It includes sustained operation with multiple simulated lightning surges, direct short circuits and most things that are possible. It is verified that it can shut down safely and not ever present a risk of electrical shock or a fire hazard. This is key for insurance companies, mortgages, building codes and permits and any solar incentive programs. The CSA listing is the equivalent of the UL listing, but for Canada.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech ... r-storage/

Why bikes instead of cars?

33 million e-bikes were sold in 2017 vs 2.3 million e-cars.
Bicycles and motorcycles combined outsell cars 3 to 1.

$3 trillion delivery market https://seekingalpha.com/article/425049 ... ery-market?

Grocery delivery driver making $100k a year https://youtu.be/nA88yPH8akI

Sur-ron with a sidecar is 7 cents vrs a car at 70 cents. Unlicensed, registration or insurance. This solves the problem of half the income a delivery person makes goes to the vehicle costs.

Africa is the ultimate market...to boldly go where no other infrastructure has gone before...

Africa is home to the 10 fastest growing cities in the world https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-i ... the-world/

https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1028350408

Also in talks with people at https://www.sidewalklabs.com/
you charge a stock sur-ron battery in 30 min :lol: 18650 cells 16S-11P 1800Wh battery. so a 3.6Kwh charger....3600wh so 22Watt per cell :flame: :flame: :flame: you wil charge a Panasonic cell with 2C so need a tesla style cooling system in the battery module

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Grantmac » Jul 15 2019 4:48pm

Why not use brake line hydraulic pressure to trigger regen?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Drum » Jul 16 2019 3:28am

One reason for not using hydraulic pressure to bring in regen is that you want regen to kick in before the brakes come on, not after. Ideally regen would be triggered by movement of the brake levers before the brake pads touch the disc, so before any hydraulic pressure is developed in the brake hose.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by hajaserik » Jul 16 2019 9:21am

Hi, can somebody help me and let me know the type of the connectors which are mainly used in the sur-ron? I want to use the break connectors on my X version to make a break lamp (instead of switching off the controller while I am braking which is disturbing me) but I do not want to cut down the original connectors... I would buy sockets for those... Thank you! I tried to use the search function but I could not find any information about that in the previous posts...

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Jul 16 2019 12:46pm

hajaserik wrote:
Jul 16 2019 9:21am
Hi, can somebody help me and let me know the type of the connectors which are mainly used in the sur-ron? I want to use the break connectors on my X version to make a break lamp (instead of switching off the controller while I am braking which is disturbing me) but I do not want to cut down the original connectors... I would buy sockets for those... Thank you! I tried to use the search function but I could not find any information about that in the previous posts...
Surron with brake light :
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Grantmac » Jul 16 2019 1:58pm

Drum wrote:
Jul 16 2019 3:28am
One reason for not using hydraulic pressure to bring in regen is that you want regen to kick in before the brakes come on, not after. Ideally regen would be triggered by movement of the brake levers before the brake pads touch the disc, so before any hydraulic pressure is developed in the brake hose.
You could set a very low threshold for initial regen. The proportionality would be much better than a hall sensor etc.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Offroader » Jul 16 2019 2:41pm

Installed a front dash cam (action cam with dash cam function) on my bike. Need to figure out how to install a rear one. Used the Git Up G3.

I plugged the camera into the USB port in the front, this way it turns on and records every time I'm riding the bike and turns off when I turn the key off. I also installed a GPS module to record the speed.
The rear camera is just as important so I'll have to figure out how to mount it on the rear.

The reason for a dash cam is in case of any accidents on the bike you can find the other driver at fault. You won't think you need one until you get into an accident and then wish you had one. I got a six figure settlement the only time I got hurt on my bike in a fall because I happened by luck to be recording with an action cam when it happened. Without that video footage I would have gotten absolutely nothing.

While the video footage will be a bit shaky on the handlebar, its more than adequate to record everything around you and its always installed and running when you are riding as it loop records. Just install it and forgot about it.

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Here is some footage of climbing stairs with the Sur-Ron.


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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Joachim » Jul 16 2019 3:13pm

nice dashcam for accidents....good stair climbing+ nice speeds in the park where people walking , with this cam you realy are the king of the roads,stairs,park :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by fechter » Jul 16 2019 3:23pm

The camera works very well, even on the bumpy stairs. I suppose there's a chance the video could be used against you if you were at fault. Does it have an instant delete everything button?
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Offroader » Jul 16 2019 3:36pm

fechter wrote:
Jul 16 2019 3:23pm
The camera works very well, even on the bumpy stairs. I suppose there's a chance the video could be used against you if you were at fault. Does it have an instant delete everything button?
Yeah it isn't too bad even on the stairs. I did some research into the best action cam to use that has a dash cam function. The Git Up G3 seemed the most recommended as it had a lower resolution sensor, not 4K, which would make it better for shaky footage. I'm actually happy with the quality of it and the camera.

I'd probably have to pop out the sd card, but I don't plan on being at fault where I injured someone else. Most of the time on a bike you are only going to hurt yourself.

Dash cams are also good to have on cars. I actually beat a traffic ticket because of the dash cam. The cop so thought he had me to. The cop also lied in traffic court which I could not believe. He wrote stuff in his log that was completely false as I had the video footage of what happened. He went on for like 5 minutes about everything that happened that he wrote down, like he was a hot shot cop and nobody would question him after all his facts he had written down. Basically the cop wrote stuff down in his log of the event to prove his case, but it was a lie some of the stuff, I can't believe a cop would lie like that.


You should have seen how angry he was getting when I was proving he was wrong.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by LightBeeCommuter » Jul 17 2019 4:13pm

Hey, newbie here. Ordered a Sur Ron X off of Luna. Was looking into ebikes for commuting and was unimpressed till I found the sur ron. Ordered one and will be here next week. Would like to make it as close to a street legal moped as possible. I've seen a lot of pics of ones w a larger headlight assembly w built in directionals. Can these be ordered are they an easy install?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by fechter » Jul 17 2019 10:22pm

LightBeeCommuter wrote:
Jul 17 2019 4:13pm
Hey, newbie here. Ordered a Sur Ron X off of Luna. Was looking into ebikes for commuting and was unimpressed till I found the sur ron. Ordered one and will be here next week. Would like to make it as close to a street legal moped as possible. I've seen a lot of pics of ones w a larger headlight assembly w built in directionals. Can these be ordered are they an easy install?
I'm not sure where to get the larger headlight but I put turn signals, mirrors, and a brake light on mine and run it on the street. The wiring is a bit tricky as there are not good diagrams of the wiring, but with a voltmeter you can figure everything out. If you dig back on this thread or the other one viewtopic.php?f=28&t=96292&start=25 you can see what I did.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Aquakitty » Jul 17 2019 10:31pm

fechter wrote:
Jul 16 2019 3:23pm
The camera works very well, even on the bumpy stairs. I suppose there's a chance the video could be used against you if you were at fault. Does it have an instant delete everything button?
This seems like some stupid behaviour. Driving that fast on sidewalks, no insurance etc. and you reaction is to delete when you are at fault? This is just gonna get stuff regulated even more. At this point you are just an uninsured motorcycle.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Rix » Jul 18 2019 9:51am

Aquakitty wrote:
Jul 17 2019 10:31pm
fechter wrote:
Jul 16 2019 3:23pm
The camera works very well, even on the bumpy stairs. I suppose there's a chance the video could be used against you if you were at fault. Does it have an instant delete everything button?
This seems like some stupid behaviour. Driving that fast on sidewalks, no insurance etc. and you reaction is to delete when you are at fault? This is just gonna get stuff regulated even more. At this point you are just an uninsured motorcycle.
By New York standards, Offroader isn't causing any problems on his bike, check out this video and you will see what kind of mayhem cyclists cause in traffic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn_lUtiYNnw

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by engate » Jul 18 2019 1:42pm

Well this rear mudguard didn't last long. It broke off at 70km/h.. It wasn't a pleasant experience.

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Post by Rix » Jul 18 2019 2:45pm

Relax, my ole man is a TV repair man and he has this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.


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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Danlov » Jul 19 2019 10:09am

Selling seat extenders kit for Sur-Ron. All you have to do to install is to drill 2 new holes for triangle form extenders as well as to put a small gasket under the battery cap in order to keep bike’s battery in place. The price is 235$ with fast EMS shipping (5 days to England) or a bit less with standard slow shipping. If you order more than 1 kit we give you a discount. Contact me 6204278@gmail.com or +79646204278 whatsapp / telegram for info
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Joachim » Jul 19 2019 11:17am

235 Dollar for this upgrade :oops:

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Post by Rix » Jul 20 2019 10:03am

Joachim wrote:
Jul 19 2019 11:17am
235 Dollar for this upgrade :oops:
Riders with a 32" inseam or longer may like this.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Tommm » Jul 20 2019 10:07am

Rix wrote:
Jul 20 2019 10:03am
Joachim wrote:
Jul 19 2019 11:17am
235 Dollar for this upgrade :oops:
Riders with a 32" inseam or longer may like this.
It might cost less to shorten your inseam.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Joachim » Jul 20 2019 12:03pm

Tommm wrote:
Jul 20 2019 10:07am
Rix wrote:
Jul 20 2019 10:03am
Joachim wrote:
Jul 19 2019 11:17am
235 Dollar for this upgrade :oops:
Riders with a 32" inseam or longer may like this.
It might cost less to shorten your inseam.
i like the upgrade really :bigthumb: price is to high for me :(

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Joachim » Jul 20 2019 12:12pm

eco mode touring 55Ah battery.
152km/avs 37kmh(gps not display)/battery voltage 51.9Vdc/ 3.24Vdc per cell.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Merlin » Jul 20 2019 7:41pm

...not sure in which direction goes this journey/topic....

the surron was the best bang for the buck for most ppl. most critism on size, power whatever was ignored.

in all groups it starts with:

-buying a surron in eu for 4000€
-replacing supension mostly 1000€
-replacing controller/battery 1500€
-buying bigger sprockets or getting tired of mid noise -> belt kit 350€
-replacing brakes to (ya right) shimano superhero now its not squeeking anymore 200€
-switching plastic china tires to something working
-replace handlebars, fenders, footpegs upgrade to a higher seat position because to be honest IT IS SMALL :lol: ~250+

now you peak the ~7500€ and are ready to..........what? :idea: :wink:

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