Lime Bike battery fire

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Sep 23 2019 8:53pm

if they were an actual significant public problem then politicians can't just sweep it under the rug because they can then be unelected.. ppl likely see more benefit than detriment from these alternative transportation devices and industries therefore they are allowed to operate, within the boundaries of local laws and general public acceptance..
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by donn » Sep 23 2019 9:03pm

There's a pretty fair constituency for them here, I think, so it isn't just down to city hall to twist their arms hard enough to clean it up. The city has to make at least a show of bending over for Lime et al., so they can cultivate the young people vote (not that these young people really vote very much, but they're gullible enough that it's worth it, and also the rental companies have an in with the very politically active bicycle lobby.) But they also have plenty of voters who are irritated by them, to be sure. Lately I believe they've set out to stripe off parking lots for the rental bicycles.

Foot scooter rentals aren't allowed yet, but there's a project to look at it. ("Foot scooter" is an OK name, that has some legal status in my state - RCW 46.04.336 defines "motorized foot scooter." "E-roller" is fairly clear too. But you know what "scooter" means - in fact you should be able to think of half a dozen things that could be equipped with electric motors. It's a terrible name, the kind of ambiguous word that just makes us all stupid whether we're reading it or writing it.)

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Post by E-HP » Sep 23 2019 10:05pm

donn wrote:
Sep 23 2019 9:03pm
There's a pretty fair constituency for them here, I think, so it isn't just down to city hall to twist their arms hard enough to clean it up. The city has to make at least a show of bending over for Lime et al., so they can cultivate the young people vote (not that these young people really vote very much, but they're gullible enough that it's worth it, and also the rental companies have an in with the very politically active bicycle lobby.) But they also have plenty of voters who are irritated by them, to be sure. Lately I believe they've set out to stripe off parking lots for the rental bicycles.

Foot scooter rentals aren't allowed yet, but there's a project to look at it. ("Foot scooter" is an OK name, that has some legal status in my state - RCW 46.04.336 defines "motorized foot scooter." "E-roller" is fairly clear too. But you know what "scooter" means - in fact you should be able to think of half a dozen things that could be equipped with electric motors. It's a terrible name, the kind of ambiguous word that just makes us all stupid whether we're reading it or writing it.)
As it stands, it's really the users that cause the problems. Beside not knowing how to operate them properly (they target the tourist cities, so chances are the user has never ridden anything motorized in the first place), they're the ones leaving them in the middle of the sidewalk (literally, rather than off so the side), or wherever.
If you add regulations or additional requirements to the user agreements or laws (e.g. user must know something; or fine if caught littering the middle of the sidewalk or private property), they won't get the use or acceptance they're targeting.

Now if something happens and somebody gets seriously hurt or killed, riding on the, tripping on them, etc., and there is a big liability for the city or companies, you might see some more thought put into it.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by markz » Sep 23 2019 10:51pm

Be interesting to see how many scooters and ebikes are "lost" and even Lime cant find them.
Also, how many people are getting hurt on the scooters, and how many people are the scooters hurting whom are just walking.
Sue the city, Lime and the rider.
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Sep 26 2019 9:26am

MarkZ
I just discovered that Lime opened warehouse with tens of like scooters just less than 0.5 kilometers from my work place
Hopefully there will be some abandoned to pick up
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by E-HP » Sep 26 2019 10:30pm

miro13car wrote:
Sep 26 2019 9:26am
MarkZ
I just discovered that Lime opened warehouse with tens of like scooters just less than 0.5 kilometers from my work place
Hopefully there will be some abandoned to pick up
SF is doubling down. They just announced that 4 new companies were approved, bringing the total number of scooters to 4000 or 85 scooters per square mile. :cry:

Pretty soon there'll be more scooters than Starbucks :lol:

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by E-HP » Nov 14 2019 9:53pm

E-HP wrote:
Sep 23 2019 10:05pm
As it stands, it's really the users that cause the problems. Beside not knowing how to operate them properly (they target the tourist cities, so chances are the user has never ridden anything motorized in the first place), they're the ones leaving them in the middle of the sidewalk (literally, rather than off so the side), or wherever.

Now if something happens and somebody gets seriously hurt or killed, riding on the, tripping on them, etc., and there is a big liability for the city or companies, you might see some more thought put into it.
I just saw a news story that a lady in L.A. is suing the city because she was injured tripping over a scooter that was left in the middle of the sidewalk. It will be interesting to see how the city reacts. :|

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Post by goatman » Nov 18 2019 8:15pm

sounds like Markz was in LA karate kicking scooters.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by wturber » Nov 19 2019 1:26am

E-HP wrote:
Nov 14 2019 9:53pm

I just saw a news story that a lady in L.A. is suing the city because she was injured tripping over a scooter that was left in the middle of the sidewalk. It will be interesting to see how the city reacts. :|
If it is the Santa Monica story, I expect that she will win. She's 88 years old. What I don't understand is why her daughter isn't also named in the lawsuit since she saw all the scooters and didn't find another place to drop her mother off.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Jan 23 2020 9:28am

Today I saw a man walking Lime scooter with dead battery or maybe broken?
He got behind the building and started to unscrew covers looking for GPS? to depower it?
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by E-HP » Jan 23 2020 9:44am

miro13car wrote:
Jan 23 2020 9:28am
Today I saw a man walking Lime scooter with dead battery or maybe broken?
He got behind the building and started to unscrew covers looking for GPS? to depower it?
The new trend that I see now are homeless folks riding them around like push scooters. No charging necessary.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by AZeBikeGuy » Jan 23 2020 11:08am

Steal battery?

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Post by HK12K » Jan 23 2020 11:23am

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I'd kind of like to see them in my city but the reality is they would all be stolen and stripped in short order. Worse than that though, they might start to draw the ire of the RCMP which means crackdowns and enforcement du jour. For the children.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Jan 23 2020 12:09pm

I understand Limes have all installed GPS locators so company can find them, right?
now
when you push it on your property they are going o find it before battery dies.
Obviously GPS is powered from seperate battery.
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by HK12K » Jan 23 2020 12:55pm

miro13car wrote:
Jan 23 2020 12:09pm
I understand Limes have all installed GPS locators so company can find them, right?
now
when you push it on your property they are going o find it before battery dies.
Obviously GPS is powered from seperate battery.
All it takes is one industrious crackhead to tear one apart in an alley or wooded area and they'll know exactly how to disable them in the future, then they'll share that info with their peers. From there they'll be stripped down to the raw metal and sold for scrap value as fast as they can deploy them, at least in my city. Not to mention that the type of people thieving these things probably aren't homeowners. If the last known location is entering a low income apartment building with hundreds of units or greenbelt behind the bottle depot, there isn't much that's going to help them in their recovery efforts once the signal goes dark.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by E-HP » Jan 23 2020 3:33pm

miro13car wrote:
Jan 23 2020 12:09pm
I understand Limes have all installed GPS locators so company can find them, right?
now
when you push it on your property they are going o find it before battery dies.
Obviously GPS is powered from seperate battery.
I think the GPS is mainly there for charging purpose rather than recovery. I see workers in flatbed trucks driving down the street collecting them for charging. I don't think they get paid to do repossession work, which comes with it's own risks. Unless they do a full sweep, there isn't a way by looking at a GPS and determine whether the scooter just needs charging or is being torn apart. The crackheads just need to have someone watching out for the flatbed going down the street, and walk it over a block off their route.

(The rental ebikes have a decent size hailong pack. Those would be better targets for battery thieves. Might damage it popping it off with a crowbar, but if you just want the cells...)

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Post by AZeBikeGuy » Jan 23 2020 4:42pm

They do get paid for recovering, charging and putting at designated spots - had a buddy doing it

I don't know if he just drove around or they were locatable via the GPS but I presumed they would be

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by markz » Jan 23 2020 8:18pm

Gps wont work 4 stories down in an underground garage sorrounded by concrete inside a $20/day uhaul.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Apr 15 2020 1:54pm

MarkZ
You are correct it all depends how they hide stolen Lime bikes.
but no way anybody would buy stolen Lime from them, obvious it is stolen
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by MadRhino » Apr 15 2020 6:28pm

miro13car wrote:
Apr 15 2020 1:54pm
MarkZ
You are correct it all depends how they hide stolen Lime bikes.
but no way anybody would buy stolen Lime from them, obvious it is stolen
They just strip them apart, then sell cheap components and batteries. Here in some neighborhoods, the rent ebikes were just abandoned in the alleys, stripped off their batteries.
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by markz » Apr 15 2020 8:44pm

MadRhino wrote:
Apr 15 2020 6:28pm
They just strip them apart, then sell cheap components and batteries. Here in some neighborhoods, the rent ebikes were just abandoned in the alleys, stripped off their batteries.
Yea even the ebikes rented at bicycle stores could easily be stolen with a desperate enough crack head using their own ID to take a "test ride" rather then the usual stolen Uhaul to smash & grab.

The batteries is whats worth the money, not some wimpyass 250W piece ofshit motor.

Lime ebikes are no longer being rented, they are only using the stand up scooters. I'd like to know where they are selling the Lime ebikes and how much they are going for. I could use the batteries myself and pay cheap for them if it were so.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Apr 16 2020 8:18am

" Lime ebikes are no longer being rented "

that is good news for me
the less attention to ebikes in the city the better for me.
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » Apr 16 2020 11:02am

MarkZ
you are right, if they dont rent Lime ebikes anymore , so what happened to them?
for sale, where?
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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by markz » Apr 16 2020 11:38pm

miro13car wrote:
Apr 16 2020 11:02am
MarkZ
you are right, if they dont rent Lime ebikes anymore , so what happened to them?
for sale, where?
I read in the local Calgary news that Limebike wasn't as popular as the stand-up scooters, and that they werent going to rollout the Limebike come springtime, as they would normally store the bikes in the winter. The scooters were just too popular, probably broke down less then the bikes.

I found that when I tried to rent a Limebike, they were all out of service. I only tried to rent the ebike once or twice and I wondered around for 30 minutes, from ebike to ebike and they were all broken/out of service/un-rentable.

I tried to rent a Limescooter only once. I had put $10 into my account, and just couldnt find the scooter with the gps map. It was nowhere near where it said on the map. I had 15 minutes to find the scooter, and couldnt. Lime still charged me $7.50 even though I couldnt find the scooter itself. I emailed them about what happened and got a reply, I just never bothered to 1) Read the email or 2) follow through with a frocking$2 rebate.

What I hated about the Limebike and Limescooters was that they were dockless and people would park them in the way of pedestrians and bicyclists.

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Re: Lime Bike battery fire

Post by miro13car » May 11 2020 1:16pm

abandoning rental ebikes all over the town without docking them ?
Docking them would require some trip planning from Canadian .
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