new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

[Tommm]

Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.

If you have the leads for the bluetooth module you can buy one on ali for $20.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/329627 ... 11340635
Or you can try to connect/disconnect the "soft start" leads. They are two grey wires and they plug into each other.

Tbh only way I got it just right was "fast start 8, adjust accelerator curve on" and a top of the line domino throttle ($70).

[robocam]

What throttle are you using? Maybe give it some time to get used to?

Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.

[markz]

I already have a threaded arm for the freewheel, but I dont want to wreck that one too
I will first try some epoxy weld with the threads on the pedal shimmed for a tight fit.
Helicoil I doubt would work but might be worth a try, if the price is right.
Then I might have to get someone with a tig/gas to weld the hole in, drill it and tap it.

Or you could replace the arms.

https://lunacycle.com/parts/cyclone-par ... lone-pair/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-170mm-f ... crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-175mm-f ... crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-152mm-f ... crank-set/

[joshuahuang]

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What throttle are you using? Maybe give it some time to get used to?

nah I've had it for a couple months now. I had no trouble adjusting to other throttles. It jerks really hard on startup no matter how slow i go

[joshuahuang]

Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.

If you have the leads for the bluetooth module you can buy one on ali for $20.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/329627 ... 11340635
Or you can try to connect/disconnect the "soft start" leads. They are two grey wires and they plug into each other.

Tbh only way I got it just right was "fast start 8, adjust accelerator curve on" and a top of the line domino throttle ($70).

woah i didn't know stock one had bluetooth. ill see if i have the plug on the controller when i get home

[endrew]

Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

[Tommm]

Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

This menu sets the speed of the "high speed mode" and "low speed mode" of the 3 speed switch. If you are in the middle speed(default state without a 3 speed switch connected), it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change max power, it is just an rpm limit. The high speed mode is just field weakening.
15% is a lot, on 72v with the 15% setting you can run into the controller's rpm limit and experience some skipping, mostly without a load.

Reguarding the throttle, the best usability is with the "adjust accelerator curve" turned on. Slow start off, and fast start on 6 to 8 depending on taste.

[minimum]

1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.

Nucular.

12F if you're bold and do like changing your bicycle drivetrain components.
6F is good enough to destroy weaker links and get maintenance cycle low

[robocam]

What controller is this? Would you happen to have a link? What software is this screenshot from?

Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

[endrew]

1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.

Nucular.

12F if you're bold and do like changing your bicycle drivetrain components.
6F is good enough to destroy weaker links and get maintenance cycle low

Do you have experience pairing it with the cyclone? Seems to be pre-order

http://nucular.tech/#rec101723173

[endrew]

What controller is this? Would you happen to have a link? What software is this screenshot from?

Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

Its the stock bluetooth controller and its app. They have it at Luna and Sick bike parts.

[minimum]

Do you have experience pairing it with the cyclone?

I wouldn't have suggested it otherwise.

[endrew]

Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

This menu sets the speed of the "high speed mode" and "low speed mode" of the 3 speed switch. If you are in the middle speed(default state without a 3 speed switch connected), it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change max power, it is just an rpm limit. The high speed mode is just field weakening.
15% is a lot, on 72v with the 15% setting you can run into the controller's rpm limit and experience some skipping, mostly without a load.

Reguarding the throttle, the best usability is with the "adjust accelerator curve" turned on. Slow start off, and fast start on 6 to 8 depending on taste.

Thanks!
What does "Fast start" do?

[robocam]

Thanks. That’s cool. I have 2 Cyclones from Luna Cycle but I guess it was before they had Bluetooth stock. Any idea when it started coming with a Bluetooth controller? Is it still 40A?

Its the stock bluetooth controller and its app. They have it at Luna and Sick bike parts.

[Tommm]

Thanks. That’s cool. I have 2 Cyclones from Luna Cycle but I guess it was before they had Bluetooth stock. Any idea when it started coming with a Bluetooth controller? Is it still 40A?

Its the stock bluetooth controller and its app. They have it at Luna and Sick bike parts.

It is an option.

You can upgrade yours like so:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=69867&p=1503540#p1503540

Thanks!
What does "Fast start" do?

It will try to accelerate faster to the requested rpm given by the throttle. More responsive. You decrease the jerkiness by doing "adjust accelerator curve" this option makes the first 25% of the rev range commanded by ~40% of your throttle movement range so you still get fine control.

[robocam]

Do the older controllers have a place for this to plug into? I know mine don’t because I removed every wire I didn’t use

It is an option.

You can upgrade yours like so:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=69867&p=1503540#p1503540

[Tommm]

Do the older controllers have a place for this to plug into? I know mine don’t because I removed every wire I didn’t use

It is an option.

You can upgrade yours like so:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=69867&p=1503540#p1503540

It is 4/5 wires and it says bluetooth. If you removed it, you removed it.

You will need to look for internal solder points if you are interested.

[robocam]

Here are the wires I removed. Looks like the old controller did not have Bluetooth capability. So they all ship with Bluetooth capability now?

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It is 4/5 wires and it says bluetooth. If you removed it, you removed it.

You will need to look for internal solder points if you are interested.

[Tommm]

Here are the wires I removed. Looks like the old controller did not have Bluetooth capability. So they all ship with Bluetooth capability now?

IMG_5236-20percent size.jpg

It is 4/5 wires and it says bluetooth. If you removed it, you removed it.

You will need to look for internal solder points if you are interested.

No, there is a 40a silver non bt model and a 60a black bt model. They are yuyang king controllers btw.

[endrew]

Anyone paired a Cyclone 3000 stock controller with a Cycle Analyst and an external shunt?

I am seeing strange behavior. The ESC will not pull the same currents as it will without the CA, even though the throttle voltage is higher with the CA.

Is it possible the throttle signal is current rather than voltage?

[robocam]

I have, and I've experienced nothing unusual.

Anyone paired a Cyclone 3000 stock controller with a Cycle Analyst and an external shunt?

I am seeing strange behavior. The ESC will not pull the same currents as it will without the CA, even though the throttle voltage is higher with the CA.

Is it possible the throttle signal is current rather than voltage?

[endrew]

I have, and I've experienced nothing unusual.

Anyone paired a Cyclone 3000 stock controller with a Cycle Analyst and an external shunt?

I am seeing strange behavior. The ESC will not pull the same currents as it will without the CA, even though the throttle voltage is higher with the CA.

Is it possible the throttle signal is current rather than voltage?

How much current do you draw? as I said, up to 40 Amps, it worked fine for me

[robocam]

The stock current of about 40A. I don't understand what you're saying. Now you're saying it works fine up to 40A but that's the stock current. Are you talking about the 60A controller? How are you measuring the current without the CA? Or are you just directly plugging in the throttle but still measuring the current with the CA? Measure the throttle output voltage of the CA.

How much current do you draw? as I said, up to 40 Amps, it worked fine for me

[endrew]

Oh, I got the Bluetooth ESC with my kit and I have added some solder to the internal shunt so it goes up to 80 amps. I want the CA for this reason - to be able to limit the current in a flexible way.

Anyway this was solved by disconnecting the gnd wire in the throttle connection from external shunt to the ESC, and leaving only the signal wire. I have no idea why.

[robocam]

Oh, ok that makes sense. I did this to my other Cyclone 3000 controller too (soldered the shunt and let the CA limit the current). On mine I only have one wire going to the throttle input on the controller. Glad you figured it out.

Oh, I got the Bluetooth ESC with my kit and I have added some solder to the internal shunt so it goes up to 80 amps. I want the CA for this reason - to be able to limit the current in a flexible way.

Anyway this was solved by disconnecting the gnd wire in the throttle connection from external shunt to the ESC, and leaving only the signal wire. I have no idea why.