Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

efMX Trials Electric Freeride · Oct 5, 2019

this carbon enduro electric motorcycle build was awesome : https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35679

and the "Unit Skycraft" carbon FMX motorcycle..

would be cool to see some tricked out (hemp) fiber surrons.. :twisted:

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
this carbon enduro electric motorcycle build was awesome : https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35679

and the "Unit Skycraft" carbon FMX motorcycle..

would be cool to see some tricked out (hemp) fiber surrons..

NIOCE!

Yeah.. hemp is a just a little more friendly to the environment.

3DTOPO · Oct 5, 2019

ebikeguy123 said:
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:

this carbon enduro electric motorcycle build was awesome : https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35679

and the "Unit Skycraft" carbon FMX motorcycle..

would be cool to see some tricked out (hemp) fiber surrons..

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NIOCE!

Yeah.. hemp is a just a little more friendly to the environment.

Does it use hemp epoxy too?

Carbon fibers can be created from captured or sequestered carbon. If they both use similar epoxy, seems like both could be pretty similar, except, it seems you would need more material for a hemp which could actually make it less environmentally friendly...

efMX Trials Electric Freeride · Oct 5, 2019

most any fiber composites would be better than aluminum, which uses huge amounts of energy to process..

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

Grantmac said:
It appears that you are getting the required strength by adding bulk (legitimate strategy), do you think that will work with the much more contact chassis required on a dirt bike? That scooter is anything but svelte.

Personally I like composites, they are easier to repair than aluminum provided you are willing to add a little weight and the resins are compatible.

We believe we can.. here is some of our teams past projects they have contributed to.

Tesla Roadster
Tesla custom supercar for Will.i.am
Volvo 3CC Electric Vehicle Concept
Lotus
Bentley
Honda and Indian Prototype Motorcycles
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Dodge Challenger Concept
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Uses 2 regular wall plugs to provide amps required.
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48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
most any fiber composites would be better than aluminum, which uses huge amounts of energy to process..

Yep. Can be sexy and perform as well. Entire body of Lotus made of hemp.

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
this carbon enduro electric motorcycle build was awesome : https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35679

and the "Unit Skycraft" carbon FMX motorcycle..

would be cool to see some tricked out (hemp) fiber surrons..

3DTOPO · Oct 5, 2019

Hemp 10x stronger than steel? Sorry, but that's just not true.

Hemp might flex 10 times as much steel before breaking, but that doesn't make it 10x times stronger than steel. Big difference, and one wants a frame nearly as stiff as possible.

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

graphene like Hemp Battery - Almost Unbelievable

https://youtu.be/fcK9JSxVNUc

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

3DTOPO said:
Hemp 10x stronger than steel? Sorry, but that's just not true.

Hemp might flex 10 times as much steel before breaking, but that doesn't make it 10x times stronger than steel. Big difference, and one wants a frame nearly as stiff as possible.

Yes.. i agree that that statement is a bit much... but The three-door hatchback weighs just 2,500 pounds. A Ford Fusion, which is about the same size, weighs 1,200 pounds more than the Kestrel. This increases fuel efficiency by 25 to 30 percent over traditional designs. Unlike metals, hemp does not need high heat or toxic chemicals to process or shape. https://www.cbdbusinesssnetwork.com/2018/11/18/hemp-canadian-car/

3DTOPO · Oct 5, 2019

ebikeguy123 said:
Yes.. i agree that that statement is a bit much...

Then why perpetuate false information?

ebikeguy123 said:
but The three-door hatchback weighs just 2,500 pounds. A Ford Fusion, which is about the same size, weighs 1,200 pounds more than the Kestrel. This increases fuel efficiency by 25 to 30 percent over traditional designs. Unlike metals, hemp does not need high heat or toxic chemicals to process or shape. https://www.cbdbusinesssnetwork.com/2018/11/18/hemp-canadian-car/

I think it could be useful for panels and such, but I just don't see it being anywhere in the same neighborhood as CF for something like a frame.

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

3DTOPO said:
ebikeguy123 said:

Yes.. i agree that that statement is a bit much...

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Then why perpetuate false information?

ebikeguy123 said:

but The three-door hatchback weighs just 2,500 pounds. A Ford Fusion, which is about the same size, weighs 1,200 pounds more than the Kestrel. This increases fuel efficiency by 25 to 30 percent over traditional designs. Unlike metals, hemp does not need high heat or toxic chemicals to process or shape. https://www.cbdbusinesssnetwork.com/2018/11/18/hemp-canadian-car/

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I think it could be useful for panels and such, but I just don't see it being anywhere in the same neighborhood as CF for something like a frame.

ok.. im just a simple man asking a simple question to a group of engineers.... can i have a sur ron with a hemp frame and battery that costs less and outperforms a gas bike.. they said yes.... so they are doing it. have u looked at the Lotus or the Ford or the Kestral? They made it into limited production. At the time the material and the electric drive train was not available ... but now that Tesla has proved there is a market.. things are hempinin. Im hemping my ride. I like clean air and water ... how bout u?
Also playing with a high efficiency ceramic mutifuel ICE motor with highdrogen using pulsing AC. tailpipe emits distilled water and oxygen. So a tribrid of sorts. Or if you use hempoline.. a Highbrid. Your glass half empty or half full? :roll:

:wink:

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3DTOPO · Oct 5, 2019

ebikeguy123 said:
ok.. have u looked at the Lotus or the Ford or the Kestral? They made it into limited production. At the time the material and the electric drive train was not available ... but now that Tesla has proved there is a market..

Looks like the Kestral and the Lotus uses hemp for the panels, which I said I thought could make sense. What car has a hemp composite frame?

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 5, 2019

3DTOPO said:
ebikeguy123 said:

ok.. have u looked at the Lotus or the Ford or the Kestral? They made it into limited production. At the time the material and the electric drive train was not available ... but now that Tesla has proved there is a market..

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Looks like the Kestral and the Lotus uses hemp for the panels, which I said I thought could make sense. What car has a hemp composite frame?

They are monocoque. point is its less expensive and lighter.. better for environment.

48v Hybrid PHEV kit · Oct 6, 2019

3DTOPO said:
ebikeguy123 said:

Yes.. i agree that that statement is a bit much...

Click to expand...

Then why perpetuate false information?

ebikeguy123 said:

but The three-door hatchback weighs just 2,500 pounds. A Ford Fusion, which is about the same size, weighs 1,200 pounds more than the Kestrel. This increases fuel efficiency by 25 to 30 percent over traditional designs. Unlike metals, hemp does not need high heat or toxic chemicals to process or shape. https://www.cbdbusinesssnetwork.com/2018/11/18/hemp-canadian-car/

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I think it could be useful for panels and such, but I just don't see it being anywhere in the same neighborhood as CF for something like a frame.

The front triangle will have the appearance of a frame but is actually one boxed in piece with hole in the top for the battery removal. The lid for the battery once closed is structural. Exoskeleton of sorts. The head tube and other stress areas will use aluminum. The motor and reduction gear box are also structural ... used as part of the frame. . The battery case even though removable will be structural as well.

Genchichik · Oct 7, 2019

Hello everyone, I want to share my improvements, after half a year, I looked for all the minuses, and corrected everything if possible) I’ll attach a photo, designed the engine protection, which was supposed to withstand any loads during the skiing, for half a year it still lives perfectly, and not it takes the form of an engine like a factory made of aluminum :lol: ) then made a brace for the steps, because they did not inspire confidence in me, and the brace adds a lot of rigidity, since I ride professionally, after installing a 58 star with a chain, I noticed that the chain was loose is Busy and begins to hang the pendulum, to eliminate this did pacifier with poleuretanovoy plate, changed the entire suspension, yet all)

Genchichik · Oct 7, 2019

Hello everyone, I want to share my improvements, after half a year, I looked for all the minuses, and corrected everything if possible) I’ll attach a photo, designed the engine protection, which was supposed to withstand any loads during the skiing, for half a year it still lives perfectly, and not it takes the form of an engine like a factory made of aluminum :lol: ) then made a brace for the steps, because they did not inspire confidence in me, and the brace adds a lot of rigidity, since I ride professionally, after installing a 58 star with a chain, I noticed that the chain was loose is Busy and begins to hang the pendulum, to eliminate this did pacifier with poleuretanovoy plate, changed the entire suspension, yet all)

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my instagramm JZTIK2500
there I post the video how to torment Surron

Cheburator · Oct 7, 2019

Genchichik said:
Hello everyone, I want to share my improvements

Nice!
Have you made the engine protection just for yourself or planning to make some more for sell?
What stem model is this?

Genchichik · Oct 7, 2019

Cheburator said:
Genchichik said:

Hello everyone, I want to share my improvements

Click to expand...

Nice!
Have you made the engine protection just for yourself or planning to make some more for sell?
What stem model is this?

Now I am doing it for people in Russia, but I can also send it abroad

Tommm · Oct 8, 2019

A friction held bike stem on a heavy machine like this is a terrible idea. Only direct mount should be used. If you need rise, get a higher rise bar, not a long gooseneck stem like a $100 bike.

Offroader · Oct 9, 2019

Tommm said:
A friction held bike stem on a heavy machine like this is a terrible idea. Only direct mount should be used. If you need rise, get a higher rise bar, not a long gooseneck stem like a $100 bike.

I find the friction stems have held up 100% of the time on my Sur-Ron. I don't even tighten down on it that much and it never moves.

Plus if you drop the bike, the handlebars may move a little, while if you had a direct mount you could potentially snap the mount.

If you were hard core racing where if you drop the bike, you need to pick it back up and get riding again, then you may want a direct mount so you don't waste time readjusting. Since piratically nobody is racing here who cares?

3DTOPO · Oct 11, 2019

Nice video:

[youtube]_KAuOZgx3v0[/youtube]

Jasonjm · Oct 12, 2019

Help please. I ride my sur Ron really hard and I'm having issues with tube slipping and tearing the tube where the valve stem meets the rim. Like every 3rd ride.

What can I do to try prevent this?

Can anyone give me a check list. I'll try them all.

I couldn't find a rim lock that will work on the sur Ron.

Next I should try? Higher psi? Talcum powder? Leaving the locking nut off completely as well as cap? Or maybe I'm installing the tube badly. Im using kendra tuff tubes and m404 tires

3DTOPO · Oct 12, 2019

Jasonjm said:
Help please. I ride my sur Ron really hard and I'm having issues with tube slipping and tearing the tube where the valve stem meets the rim. Like every 3rd ride.

What can I do to try prevent this?

Can anyone give me a check list. I'll try them all.

I couldn't find a rim lock that will work on the sur Ron.

Next I should try? Higher psi? Talcum powder? Leaving the locking nut off completely as well as cap? Or maybe I'm installing the tube badly. Im using kendra tuff tubes and m404 tires

I strongly recommend going tubeless. Haven't had a single issue with it in over a year, and only had to add some air like once.

Search this thread for "tubeless", let me know if you have any questions!

Jasonjm · Oct 12, 2019

Ok I ordered all the parts for tubeless except maybe for the strap. I'm a bit confused what the strap is for anyways?

I ordered a strap but not sure if it will work like one suggested

Part that confuses me the most is how am I going to get air in the tire fast enough to make it seal? Without a tube?

Do I need to buy an air compressor too?

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