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Does anyone still think an EV is simpler or has fewer components than an ICE ? :roll: :lol: x :lol:
And how about that solid state electronic component that “wears out” after about 4 years requiring a $2k - $5k factory repair ? :shock:
 
Uhhh... Teslas have 17 moving parts, ICE cars have over 200. Nice try though. Maybe change your name from Hillhater toe "EVHater"
 
And here are some conversions already in use running anywhere from 9.38 quarter mile times to low 11s.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCEm7Lc2X8[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSt_Y4gZgM[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYrk5r4kiSM[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRD3lnbkBZY[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRD3lnbkBZY[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCEm7Lc2X8[/youtube]
 
st35326 said:
And here are some conversions already in use running anywhere from 9.38 quarter mile times to low 11’s.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCEm7Lc2X8[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSt_Y4gZgM[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYrk5r4kiSM[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRD3lnbkBZY[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRD3lnbkBZY[/youtube]
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCEm7Lc2X8[/yogutube]
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You used the Youtube tags incorrectly, should be like this
[Youtube]QkCEm7Lc2X8[/Youtube]
 
A powerful 818 EV is something I've been hoping for although I'd prefer to keep one RWD with modest power rather than an AWD missile. 250kw would be lots.
 
st35326 said:
Uhhh... Teslas have 17 moving parts, ICE cars have over 200. Nice try though. Maybe change your name from Hillhater toe "EVHater"
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I rarely back Hillhater on most things, but the rear drive units from early Model S have a pretty poor record. A friend of mine here has had his rear drive unit swapped out three times!
 
st35326 said:
Uhhh... Teslas have 17 moving parts, ICE cars have over 200. Nice try though. Maybe change your name from Hillhater toe "EVHater"
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I demand a recount !
And what has “ moving” got to do with simplicity or part count ?...Let alone reliability !
Especially when a single “solid state” component can/does predictably fail after a few years .
 
totally off topic for this thread, but if you're going to move on to "solid state" part failures:
--altnernator regulators
--engine and exhaust sensors
--starter relays (though they really do have moving parts)
--starter batteries
--signal flashers
--computers and other instrument electronics modules (probably capacitor failures or vibration induced pcb cracks)
probably quite a few ohters i can't rmemeber or havent' helped people replace over the years

;)
 
Any “component” can potentially fail and many do,..as we all know.
But much has been made of how the substitution of the ICE power unit, with an electric drive somehow instantly make an EV less prone to random failures. .
My point was simply that it is obvious that there are far more individual components in an EV drive train than in a similar ICE power unit. ...less moving parts certainly, but that is not relavent to failure rate or reliability.
So, whilst any car MAY suffer an unexpected component failure ..(starter battery most typically ?),
BUT..From that video above, All pre ‘16 Tesla S owners WILL suffer an expensive electronic failure within a few years from new. :shock:
 
You may think that, ..but..
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=1569260#p1569260
And why doesnt Tesla rate anywhere in the JD Powers Reliability rankings of auto makers ? :roll:
And from Consumer Reports...
..... reliability has been a weak spot for Tesla. According to our survey results, problems with the suspension, especially with the 2017 model year, have been an issue for the Model S luxury sedan, while hardware problems—especially concerning its unique falcon-wing doors—have plagued the Model X SUV (neither is currently recommended by CR). And now our latest survey data has surfaced numerous problems reported by Model 3 owners as well, which is why CR has removed its recommendation for the vehicle.........
...... their reliability has not been consistent, according to our members, which has resulted in changes to their recommended status,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports.
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Hillhater said:
You may think that, ..but..
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=1569260#p1569260
And why doesnt Tesla rate anywhere in the JD Powers Reliability rankings of auto makers ? :roll:
And from Consumer Reports...
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JD power's a joke and the spitting match between the two has been funny and worth tossing popcorn at.

For one, JD measures repairs in aggregate and lumps them together to a final percentage across an entire generation, and refuses to break it apart for things like warranties, recalls, or even based on severity. Essentially, if you had a car that had a warrantied problem- the wiper cowl on the 2009-2016 Subaru legacy for instance- it still counts against it's "reliability", just as much as Scion FR-S'es needing new engines (!) because Toyota didn't torque the valve springs to spec. There's also the issue of that you have to buy into JD power and Tesla refused- no way they'd have a good rating, but Jalopnik has done several issues on how seedy JD gets:

https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-the-jd-power-a-1818818969
 
?. :?: interesting article,...but it dosnt support your comment.?
What do companies get out of paying J.D. Power good money? A lot of things, but the main thing they get is access to the company’s market research, some of which you can check out on J.D. Power’s website, but the bulk of which you can’t. .....
....Dave Sargent, the company’s vice president of global automotive, said that the company has a track record at this point, and that automakers buy into it because, Sargent says, the research has turned out to be accurate......
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It would seem that Tesla is one of a very few who doent see the benefit of professional, independent, customer feedback analysis,...or maybe doesnt like being seeing a comparason to competitors ?
But maybe Tesla feel they do not need Powers, as they have Munro in their pocket ?
 
I would say that unlike ICE vehicles, EVs drive tend to fail suddenly, or at least in a way that makes them unusable until repaired. Normally (but not always) ICE vehicles will degrade slowly giving you warning to get them repaired. There's quite an opportunity there to monitor things starting to go slightly outside of the normal range and warn owners ahead of time.

Tesla's current drivelines are actually pretty reliable, but a lot of the other over-complicated items such as the active door handles, charging latches, etc. would make a German engineer proud. And when they do fail, many times they have to be taken to the service center for repair - which is often not anywhere near where the owner lives. And post warranty, 3rd party repair is so restricted by Tesla that I don't know why a non mechanic / EV electrician would want one.
 
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