JackFlorey
100 kW
Yep. The original Tesla Roadsters are already like that - collector's items.nicobie said:15 years from now maybe the Tesla truck will be like the 55-57 Chevy Belaire's were to the teens in the 60&70's.
Yep. The original Tesla Roadsters are already like that - collector's items.nicobie said:15 years from now maybe the Tesla truck will be like the 55-57 Chevy Belaire's were to the teens in the 60&70's.
And equally facinating that you avoided the part where he suggested you could get a “free” charge from that cheap , ...(but not without some cost ? ) ,..solar system.JackFlorey said:Fascinating that you spent the time to write out that answer, but did not take the time to read his post where he used the word "cheap!"Hillhater said:...?? Interesting,.tell me where you can get a suitable ..5-10kW ?...solar set up for free ? ...
Sure. You get a cheap solar power system. It lasts decades. Then you use the power. Unlike using a generator, a solar power system does not require fuel or any other input, and the output is then free.Hillhater said:And equally facinating that you avoided the part where he suggested you could get a “free” charge from that cheap , ...(but not without some cost ? ) ,..solar system.
Maybe you can explain how that works ?
$2-$3 dollars a watt.How cheap is a practical solar charge system ?
Explained above.How is the power from that system “free” ?
Even using “, no cost” consumables, you would have to completely forget any equipment investment you had in the system and its development....or , as is normal , you amortise it over the output of the system over its expected working life.JackFlorey said:Let's say, for example, you invented a home brewing system that produced beer out of air with no material or energy input. It might well have cost a lot to develop - but after developing it, it would provide you with free beer.
OK so you get $1000 worth (5kW) of panels..Matt Gruber said:How cheap solar? $50 for 250 watts (used)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-auRHKq2-A&ab_channel=DIYSolarPowerwithWillProwse
No, ..But you are confusing free Sunshine with electricity ! :wink:you are confusing purchase price with marginal costs of operation....
nicobie said:I think I have to call BS on their claim that the truck can auto supply a house with power thru the charging cord in an outage. I can't see an utility allowing the car to backfeed into their grid with only a fail safe on the charger and without something on the panel before it gets into the house circuits. I would think that the electric codes would have to be changed in order to let this happen automatically.
https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/19/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-pickup-truck-can-power-your-home-in-an-outage/
Yea, ..it would probably be cheaper to give all the electricity consumers on Kauai one of these Ford etrucks, rather than spending the millions $$’s planned on the Solar + battery + pumped Hydro scheme needed for the next RE storage upgrade step on the island.Hawaiiguy said:Where I live( Kauai, Hawaii)our power grid is 100% renewable energy for the last 4yrs in the day time and about 50% at night.Kauai’s plan is to be totally renewables by 2030( Kauai’s power is a publicly owned utility),so for me The Ford electric makes a lot of sense and on Kauai as your not going to drive more than 125 miles in a day,so for some this is already going to work great.
markz said:Doesnt seem like a tough job to do, but of course you would want a certified, master electrician to install whats needed on the house.
https://youtu.be/GLgtFCJlVFQ?t=147
Hillhater said:Yea, ..it would probably be cheaper to give all the electricity consumers on Kauai one of these Ford etrucks, rather than spending the millions $$’s planned on the Solar + battery + pumped Hydro scheme needed for the next RE storage upgrade step on the island.Hawaiiguy said:Where I live( Kauai, Hawaii)our power grid is 100% renewable energy for the last 4yrs in the day time and about 50% at night.Kauai’s plan is to be totally renewables by 2030( Kauai’s power is a publicly owned utility),so for me The Ford electric makes a lot of sense and on Kauai as your not going to drive more than 125 miles in a day,so for some this is already going to work great.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/kauai-to-hit-80-renewable-power-with-solar-charged-hydro-storage
Ford is claiming that all is needed is the right options on the truck.Wonder what that will cost $10k?markz said:Doesnt seem like a tough job to do, but of course you would want a certified, master electrician to install whats needed on the house.
nicobie said:Ford is claiming that all is needed is the right options on the truck.Wonder what that will cost $10k?markz said:Doesnt seem like a tough job to do, but of course you would want a certified, master electrician to install whats needed on the house.
markz said:I can't see Ford telling customers to plug their Ford generator cord into their dryer outlet and saying its kosher with building code.
Hawaiiguy said:Where I live( Kauai, Hawaii)our power grid is 100% renewable energy for the last 4yrs in the day time and about 50% at night.Kauai’s plan is to be totally renewables by 2030( Kauai’s power is a publicly owned utility),so for me The Ford electric makes a lot of sense and on Kauai as your not going to drive more than 125 miles in a day,so for some this is already going to work great.
Your prices are coming down from what was a diesel fueled system (using imported fuel) , to a compact “micro grid” of Utility Solar/ battery for majority generation.Hawaiiguy said:Kauai use to have high utility prices but now our power per Kw has been going down steadily so I’m good with the outcome.Other utility’s could learn from Kauai.