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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by eMark » Sep 05 2022 5:20pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 05 2022 2:48pm
Sorry to stoop to your level, but we can do cartoons. What the bottom of sign says for the guy above who never learned lower case in grade school...lol.
Up until now i would have never believed that you could or would so stoop to that "level" :(

You're a far better man than to be dragged down. Delete your cartoon reply. Please do find something more representative of your better judgement to post before Nicobie locks with your reply intact. Is this how you want to be remembered per your enlightened "debate" ??

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Post by JackFlorey » Sep 05 2022 9:57pm

Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Sep 05 2022 11:07am
I think he’s saying someone who is economically poor and isolated (off the grid)isn’t going to give up their propane heater unless it’s replaced by an equally cheap and effective substitute.
Something cool is happening down here.

San Diego has a moderately large homeless population. Go into a parking lot or field where there is an encampment and you will see dozens of solar panels charging power banks, charging cellphones, running little fans and charging lights. Used and discarded, generally. But they still work, and a little bit of power is worth a lot to someone with very little to begin with.

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Post by JackFlorey » Sep 05 2022 10:13pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 05 2022 10:48am
Jack,
Sounds like you have a clear vision for saving the planet.
Why isn't the world on board if this roadmap is so sound?
It is. Solar and wind are increasing dramatically year over year.
I will even give you a softball speaking of MSNBC and your favorite Joy Reid where you get your news facts from
You once again fail.
What is the probability all the things you believe that should be implemented will occur in time to save the planet?
Save the planet? Are you nuts? Nothing we can do will destroy the planet. We could have a full-on nuclear war and most plants and cockroaches wouldn't care much.

Of course we _do_ have the power to make the planet more miserable for ourselves and for higher animals, and have been trying to do that for about 150 years now. Fortunately we have learned from our mistakes and are beginning to change course. It will, of course, take time.
I am sure all will be on board. Your best bet I believe hands down however is Bill Nye the Science Guy. He will agree with you and between the two of you, I believe your energy policy has a real shot although you have haven't discussed funding yet...or timeline.
Funding:

$7 billion for battery supply chain improvements
$1.5 billion for battery recycling
$3.5 billion for weatherization and insulation for low income households
$500 million for efficiency improvements at schools
$5 billion for transitioning away from diesel school buses to EVs
$56 million for incentives for US production of solar-PV panels
$11 billion to improve the grid's resilience
$2.5 billion for long distance HVDC transmission lines
$3 billion to add grid scale storage
$6 billion to rebuild existing nuclear power plants
$700 million to improve hydro facilities

That's one bill in one country alone (the USA.)
Btw, with 'your vision' of imminent decimation of human's and presumably animals
Please get your information from the real world and not FOX News strawmen.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by JackFlorey » Sep 05 2022 10:23pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 05 2022 1:38pm
Capitalism. Ayn Rand's novel, Atlas Shrugged Greed is good...or, greed is instinctively who/what man is. Why? To survive. Better than survive? To flourish and prosper. Call it a safety margin. Abundance. To the point we may even share with those less fortunate.
Ayn Rand famously divided the world into builders and takers - people who lived off the public tit.

Of course, when she needed social security and medicare, programs she regularly attacked, she took them.

There's a lesson there.
Darwin was right. Capitalism. Animals eat one another in the jungle. Within a pack of Wolves there is a dominant Wolf, the alpha.
You are confusing many separate things here.

Capitalism works well as a way to allocate and value consumer goods. It is a terrible way to run a society, which is why we don't use it for things better taken care of by socialism - like, say, the military, police, EMS, roads, the CDC, veterans hospitals etc etc.

"Animals eat one another in the jungle" - and some eat plants. Both work just fine.

The whole "alpha wolf" thing is a myth. And humans are not wolves, and we evolved to live in a different sort of society. These evolutionary drives work well to allow us to live in groups of 10-1000. Beyond that the very same social instincts that help us live together in a small society work against us in larger societies. If you want more info on this I can recommend "Moral Tribes" by Joshua Greene.

https://sciencenorway.no/ulv/wolf-packs ... ng/1850514
Survival of the fittest. Capitalism is an analog for 'human nature'.
Before the Civil War in the US, it was an excellent analog. People were literally bought and sold.

It no longer is a good analog.
People aren't equal and why socialism doesn't create Apple or Microsoft or Tesla.
Socialism got us to the Moon.
Socialism got us nuclear power and nuclear weapons.
Socialism gave the US the military and industrial power to win World War II.

And that has nothing to do with "people aren't equal."
Socialism doesn't promote exceptionalism.
Neil Armstrong might disagree.
Shaq can't figure out relativity like Einstein could. Einstein was short and couldn't dunk a basketball. Human's don't naturally share.
They actually do - naturally. Again I can recommend Joshua Greene's book for an examination of where those drives come from and the neurophysiology that supports it.

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Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 7:13am

Your words...
One bill in one country comprising 15% of the global carbon footprint...alphas don't exist whereby Neil Armstrong was an alpha among top alphas…denying that social security dollars come on the back of Capitalist dollars…correlating Capitalism to slavery and slavery being abolished at the time of the civil war when its alive in the world today…
Ridiculous assertions like Socialism got us to the Moon, nuclear power and nuclear weapons and US military based upon industrial power to win World War II…when all were funded by Capitalist dollars. All conflation, what you deem socialized institutions, but you left out why they exist...funded by Capitalist tax dollars. 10% for the big guy only it isn't dumb Joe, its big brother who gets their cut.
You and I are miles apart which of course makes the world go around. George Soros has your back. People don’t agree on fundamental things like government, commerce or what morality even means…good and evil in the eye of the beholder. We can't even agree on where America derives their wealth and superpower status and how we emerged in the world. Why is that? Pretty sure you never worked a day in industry or made anything in your life and sold it in the marketplace. If you did, you failed and flunked out and why you believe all the material wealth of the US fell from the sky while you sang kumbaya by the campfire. Maybe you agree with Hummina that homeless people living in tents in the US being powered by recycled solar panels 'is cool'. You aren't dialing in from there are you?...lol. The world we live in.
See my avatar? AC Telsa versus DC Edison. Two alphas. Edison demonized Tesla publicly including stage craft showing people burned in an AC powered electric chair. No socialistic hand holding there. A bitter dogfight for money, power and control of the grid. Tesla won.

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Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 10:54am

He's about to tell us he's a Sigma male next in a total meltdown, I can feel it.
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 7:13am
Pretty sure you never worked a day in industry or made anything in your life and sold it in the marketplace. If you did, you failed and flunked out and why you believe all the material wealth of the US fell from the sky while you sang kumbaya by the campfire.
Ah ah! Didn't mark already say:
eMark wrote:
Sep 05 2022 5:20pm
Up until now i would have never believed that you could or would so stoop to that "level" :(

You're a far better man than to be dragged down. Delete your cartoon reply. Please do find something more representative of your better judgement to post before Nicobie locks with your reply intact. Is this how you want to be remembered per your enlightened "debate" ??
enlightened debate lmao
See my avatar? AC Telsa versus DC Edison. Two alphas. Edison demonized Tesla publicly including stage craft showing people burned in an AC powered electric chair. No socialistic hand holding there.
If following the teachings of Christ to help and aid people makes me a socialist... I'd rather be a socialist. Life is too hard and brutal for too many, when we have the means and resources to make it so much better.

Also, does anyone know who "Joy Reid" is? Right-wingers bring them up sometimes as if it's some trump card in their "GOTCHA" politics, but I've never heard of them before.

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Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 11:06am

CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING wrote:
Sep 06 2022 10:54am
He's about to tell us he's a Sigma male next in a total meltdown, I can feel it.
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 7:13am
Pretty sure you never worked a day in industry or made anything in your life and sold it in the marketplace. If you did, you failed and flunked out and why you believe all the material wealth of the US fell from the sky while you sang kumbaya by the campfire.
Ah ah! Didn't mark already say:
eMark wrote:
Sep 05 2022 5:20pm
Up until now i would have never believed that you could or would so stoop to that "level" :(

You're a far better man than to be dragged down. Delete your cartoon reply. Please do find something more representative of your better judgement to post before Nicobie locks with your reply intact. Is this how you want to be remembered per your enlightened "debate" ??
enlightened debate lmao
See my avatar? AC Telsa versus DC Edison. Two alphas. Edison demonized Tesla publicly including stage craft showing people burned in an AC powered electric chair. No socialistic hand holding there.
If following the teachings of Christ to help and aid people makes me a socialist... I'd rather be a socialist. Life is too hard and brutal for too many, when we have the means and resources to make it so much better.

Also, does anyone know who "Joy Reid" is? Right-wingers bring them up sometimes as if it's some trump card in their "GOTCHA" politics, but I've never heard of them before.
Capitalists like me help socialists like you every day. That meltdown you speak of is your inner voice. Its called projection. I speak in hushed tones. Capitalists feel sorry for you and try to help. We like to compete. Its our jam.
We make the solar panel you use to power the phones in your tent city. Capitalists redistribute our wealth. What we do. You wouldn't survive without us. We make things and sell them. Look around. All the stuff you see? Its made by Capitalists. Capitalists can follow the teachings of Christ too, but not essential.
Btw, I am kind of a sigma. One thing for sure, I'm not a socialist beta...lol.
If you don't know who Joy Reid is, in Biden's words, you ain't black.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 11:27am

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 11:06am
Capitalists like me help socialists like you every day. That meltdown you speak of is your inner voice. Its called projection. I speak in hushed tones.
Aren't chad alphas supposed to be strong, openly speak their mind? Or are you feeling a little beta today?
Capitalists feel sorry for you and try to help. We like to compete. Its our jam.
But can you ball?
We make the solar panel you use to power the phones in your tent city.
I'm actually a forest cryptid, I'm like bigfoot with several degrees living in the Nebraska corn
Capitalists redistribute our wealth. What we do. You wouldn't survive without us. We make things and sell them. Look around. All the stuff you see? Its made by Capitalists. Capitalists can follow the teachings of Christ too, but not essential.
This sounds like a mantra. See no evil speak no evil hear no evil. But if you're so competitive, why redistribute? Doesn't that make an alpha like you weak?
Btw, I am kind of a sigma. One thing for sure, I'm not a socialist beta...lol.
Bro this shit is astrology for dudes trying to come up with explanations for why women won't have sex with them.
If you don't know who Joy Reid is, in Biden's words, you ain't black.
What the hell is this soy-ass beta response, I'd tell ya to go back to your Kiwifarms but they've finally gotten the axe lmao

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 11:53am

Sigmas have more sex than socialist betas like you. Maybe a jump ball with alphas.
You did fumble upon an important concept, however. Why do Capitalists redistribute to help tent people like you?
A necessity. To keep the underclass aka you at bay. When you don't operate at least on a subsistent level, you resort to greater crime and violence which affects the people that run America. We don't like being threatened or having our families threatened. Btw, we don't make up the rules of the jungle. We are just good at playing the game. Capitalists are smart and pick up on the rules of the road at a young age. When you drop out like you which starts at an early age because you are negatively reinforced by both your parents and peers, when you fail in school or aren't socially accepted and guys like me excel in stark contrast, we get on very divergent paths of opportunity and wealth. You in stark contrast feel like a failure and why your default position is denigrating Capitalism because you can't compete or people don't want you to compete because of who you are and, in your anger, and rejection you can easily turn to crime. It happens in the inner cities like clockwork every day. So, we try to keep that from happening however it's a difficult task because its starts with how people are raised. We understand the 'world isn't fair' and people aren't created equality. It isn't altruism as much as it is pragmatism aka playing the game better. Btw, I try to provide a lot of technical support for example on this forum. I don't have to. I like this stuff but also feels good to help others. I have enough abundance and want to share my experience I have learned by 'playing the game'. I know how to make stuff and how it goes together because it's been my life's work and I have been rewarded for it. Seems reasonable to share on some level because most of the things I have learned, I have learned from others who have given to me.
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Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 12:10pm

I see you didn't quote me so you wouldn't address me directly. That's a very beta behavior, my dude 8) .
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 11:53am
Sigmas have more sex than socialist betas like you. Maybe a jump ball with alphas.
In saying "jump ball" he's displaying no knowledge of basketball or current slang. 0/5 on the CEO Sigma Grindset, extremely beta behavior.
You did fumble upon an important concept, however. Why do Capitalists redistribute to help tent people like you?
A necessity. To keep the underclass aka you at bay. When you don't operate at least on a subsistent level, you resort to greater crime and violence which affects the people that run America. We don't like being threatened or having our families threatened. Btw, we don't make up the rules of the jungle. We are just good at playing the game. Capitalists are smart and pick up on the rules of the road at a young age. When you drop out like do which starts at an early age when you fail in school or aren't socially accepted and guys like me excel in stark contrast, we get on very divergent pathes of opportunity and wealth. You in stark contrast feel like a failure and why your default position is denigrating Capitalism because you can't compete or people don't want you to compete because of who you are and in your anger and rejection you can easily turn to crime. It happens in the inner cities like clockwork everyday. So we try to keep that from happening however its a difficult task because its starts with how people are raised. We understand the 'world isn't fair' and people aren't created equality. It isn't altruism as much as it is pragmatism aka playing the game better. Btw, I try to provide a lot of technical support for example on this forum. I don't have to. I like this stuff but also feels good to help others. I have enough abundance and want to share my experience I have learned by 'playing the game'. I know how to make stuff and how it goes together because its been my life's work and I have been rewarded for it. Seems reasonable to share on some level because most of the things I have learned, I have learned from others who have given to me.
Run on sentences, straw manning, constant need for validation with discussions of "wealth" or "women"... I'm sorry sir, but as a medical professional I officially diagnose you as a Beta of the Soyface-reddit tier, to the point where reading your rambling monologue has made the beard hairs on my neck grow to a new stubble.
But please, keep writing a fanfic about me, my ego enjoys it.

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Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 12:19pm

CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING wrote:
Sep 06 2022 12:10pm
I see you didn't quote me so you wouldn't address me directly. That's a very beta behavior, my dude 8) .
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 11:53am
Sigmas have more sex than socialist betas like you. Maybe a jump ball with alphas.
In saying "jump ball" he's displaying no knowledge of basketball or current slang. 0/5 on the CEO Sigma Grindset, extremely beta behavior.
You did fumble upon an important concept, however. Why do Capitalists redistribute to help tent people like you?
A necessity. To keep the underclass aka you at bay. When you don't operate at least on a subsistent level, you resort to greater crime and violence which affects the people that run America. We don't like being threatened or having our families threatened. Btw, we don't make up the rules of the jungle. We are just good at playing the game. Capitalists are smart and pick up on the rules of the road at a young age. When you drop out like do which starts at an early age when you fail in school or aren't socially accepted and guys like me excel in stark contrast, we get on very divergent pathes of opportunity and wealth. You in stark contrast feel like a failure and why your default position is denigrating Capitalism because you can't compete or people don't want you to compete because of who you are and in your anger and rejection you can easily turn to crime. It happens in the inner cities like clockwork everyday. So we try to keep that from happening however its a difficult task because its starts with how people are raised. We understand the 'world isn't fair' and people aren't created equality. It isn't altruism as much as it is pragmatism aka playing the game better. Btw, I try to provide a lot of technical support for example on this forum. I don't have to. I like this stuff but also feels good to help others. I have enough abundance and want to share my experience I have learned by 'playing the game'. I know how to make stuff and how it goes together because its been my life's work and I have been rewarded for it. Seems reasonable to share on some level because most of the things I have learned, I have learned from others who have given to me.
Run on sentences, straw manning, constant need for validation with discussions of "wealth" or "women"... I'm sorry sir, but as a medical professional I officially diagnose you as a Beta of the Soyface-reddit tier, to the point where reading your rambling monologue has made the beard hairs on my neck grow to a new stubble.
But please, keep writing a fanfic about me, my ego enjoys it.
Agree, I am guilty of some of things you stated but mostly guilty of not respecting what you write. So forgive the halfhearted effort. If I felt you deserved more, I would have tried harder. Sentence syntax as an example is left for weaker minds like yourself. I am actaully rather good at it, just don't choose to be. You dropped out. You know how long it would take me to unravel that misshapen ball of yarn which started when you were young?
I truthfully don't speak about women very much. Btw, I was lucky to have had an extraordinary mother. We don't pick our parents and so fortunate. I would tell you a little about her, but you don't deserve to know. I can tell.
On the wealth front, reason why its topical and germane to discussion is because it makes the world go around. I know, you reject that too.

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Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 1:09pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 12:19pm
Agree, I am guilty of some of things you stated but mostly guilty of not respecting what you write. So forgive the halfhearted effort. If I felt you deserved more, I would have tried harder.
Dude If you wanna be an alpha you gotta learn how to give 100% 8)
Sentence syntax as an example is left for weaker minds like yourself. I am actaully rather good at it,
Just not spelling, is seems 8)
just don't choose to be. You dropped out. You know how long it would take me to unravel that misshapen ball of yarn which started when you were young?
Bout as long as it'll take for you to write another wall of text we wont read lel, so so far I'm a dropout socialist living in a solar tent somewhere? Am I at least addicted to a cool drug? 'Cause so far I sound like a cool desert nomad.
On the wealth front, reason why its topical and germane to discussion is because it makes the world go around. I know, you reject that too.
At the end of the day, the Calorie is the real unit of human progress. All the "arguments" of education and personal drive being the true equalizers of your wannabe Objectivist society don't matter when the majority of Africa is subsistence farming on 1400Kcal/day and the body lacks the energy and macronutrients to facilitate deep repair, let alone give them the personal time and energy to pursue higher education at a chance to elevate personal wealth.
Heady stuff for a supposed socialist dropout, I must be a true alpha and should realize my potential in the sigma 6 CEO grindset since the strong decide the nature of sin in your little world 8)

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Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 1:39pm

CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING wrote:
Sep 06 2022 1:09pm

Dude If you wanna be an alpha you gotta learn how to give 100%
Ok, I finally quoted you. I will try to be succinct because you struggle. I am speaking into a vacuous abyss, a bottomless chasm of incongruent thought. What's the point again other than feeding your African peeps some macronutrients? Think it will help? Didn't seem to help you...lol.
PS. Have to leave it to you and Hummina and Jack to sort out. I knew engaging you would be silly, Mr. Calorie.

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Post by nicobie » Sep 06 2022 2:47pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 1:39pm
PS. Have to leave it to you and Hummina and Jack to sort out.
That's a shame, just when it was getting interesting too.

Could it be possible that both of you are right about certain aspects of the Homo S. personality? Even though I mostly identify with people who create things, I see truth in what both of you have to say. If we want to survive as a society, we better not eliminate competition. We better take care of the needy too, less they rise up and do something stupid. As France found out a while back telling them eat cake doesn't work. Ever wonder what a hungry person thinks when watching a American TV show. I can pretty much guarantee that they're thinking that life has screwed them. Better not give them a way to get even...
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Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 3:08pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 1:39pm
Ok, I finally quoted you. I will try to be succinct because you struggle. I am speaking into a vacuous abyss, a bottomless chasm of incongruent thought. What's the point again other than feeding your African peeps some macronutrients? Think it will help? Didn't seem to help you...lol.
PS. Have to leave it to you and Hummina and Jack to sort out. I knew engaging you would be silly, Mr. Calorie.
Classic Beta maneuver, leave the argument and attempt verbosity in a desperate bid to seem smarter, and thus higher 8) Once you're done coping and seething, go touch grass. Or a bible.

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Could it be possible that both of you are right about certain aspects of the Homo S. personality?
No he's horribly wrong :lol: The Alpha/Beta/gamma/Epsilon male bullshit is literally Astrology for dudes who can't get laid, who try to initialize and box their personalities in an easy compartments to explain why they can't talk to girls. It's hugely popular with the right-wing wierdosphere of grifters because hierarchies are their jam- they all have "Masterclass" courses on business or pickup culture that's totally not a pyramid scheme, at all! If you want Nicobie, I can post some detailed videos on it from channels like Philion or JAubrey who parse out what these dudes actually do. When it's not terribly funny, it's depressing.

Also the whole "Alpha wolf" shit is from a study done on captured, captivity wolves that the author later redacted. Sad!

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Post by nicobie » Sep 06 2022 3:25pm

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Please, no more BS videos. I doubt anybody watches them anyway.

BTW I consider someone telling me to read the bible a bigger insult than them telling me to get f*cked. In my mind the best proof that there in no God is that if there really was one he wouldn't put up with the charlatans and their greedy ways that we're currently stuck with.

BTW #2 absolutely no religious discussions are allowed here. :|
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Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Sep 06 2022 3:25pm

equating economic success with survival of the fittest doesn’t work and those who take economic risks quickly can jump to the bottom or top of the economic pyramid. The market is fickle and darwin wasn’t talking about economics. We benefit from all who struggle even those who failed. Those who failed show the path to those that later succeed. Sadly there’s less who are willing to take risks if the society doesn’t have a safety net to protect them. Luckily we are NOT in a purely capitalistic society.

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Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 3:27pm

nicobie wrote:
Sep 06 2022 2:47pm
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 1:39pm
PS. Have to leave it to you and Hummina and Jack to sort out.
That's a shame, just when it was getting interesting too.

Could it be possible that both of you are right about certain aspects of the Homo S. personality? Even though I mostly identify with people who create things, I see truth in what both of you have to say. If we want to survive as a society, we better not eliminate competition. We better take care of the needy too, less they rise up and do something stupid. As France found out a while back telling them eat cake doesn't work. Ever wonder what a hungry person thinks when watching a American TV show. I can pretty much guarantee that they're thinking that life has screwed them. Better not give them a way to get even...
A slippery slope isn't it nicobie? I believe the vast majority of the human race wants their fellow man to succeed.
People help one another and try to. My brother, who was principally an academic with masters in Physics, personally tried this social experiment. He tried to make a dent and was overwhelmed by a broken society in the inner city of Chicago. The only reason they didn't hurt him physically is, as he tried to teach and instill excitement for learning, they knew he cared when others didn't. No dads at home. No emphasis on education. High illiteracy and dropout rate. Rampant drug and gang violence. Unconscionable. Hopeless. Kids in the hood know they will die before they become adults because their brothers and peers do. Maslow's hierarchical needs unfulfilled...basic elements of nature.
Living in the US isn't remotely equitable or fair. People in my family have tried to make a difference. It hasn't been enough.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 3:42pm

Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Sep 06 2022 3:25pm
equating economic success with survival of the fittest doesn’t work and those who take economic risks quickly can jump to the bottom or top of the economic pyramid. The market is fickle and darwin wasn’t talking about economics. We benefit from all who struggle even those who failed. Those who failed show the path to those that later succeed. Sadly there’s less who are willing to take risks if the society doesn’t have a safety net to protect them. Luckily we are NOT in a purely capitalistic society.
I've come back because I think you can be communicated with and I like talking to nicobie. :-)
You are right certainly about the part of a Capitalist society where money is the mechanism of keeping score including socio economic status and how we live and we also need a safety net for those that can't complete in the market place including old people, people with disabilities and a variety of other reasons mostly education based. What we have.
Jeff Bezos, like him or hate him started Amazon in his garage. Musk at age 12 created a video game and sold it to a computer magazine. Most know the story of Steve Jobs and his incredible battle with Apple...not really shocked he died young btw...Mark Zuckerberg and many like these people. Capitalists who created great wealth. Henry Ford and many like them. But to deny that Capitalism isn't survival of the fittest is to deny reality. You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along. May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 4:10pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 3:42pm
Jeff Bezos, like him or hate him started Amazon in his garage.
And a $300,000 loan from his parents.
But to deny that Capitalism isn't survival of the fittest is to deny reality. You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along.
Which is funny when companies that provide necessary social services like Rural Metro of Arizona had no competitors and Still failed Mierably.
May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.
What the frock, this dude literally wanting sacrifice at the golden idol altar of the almighty dollar
This aint even a bruh moment at this point, what is actually wrong with you lmao

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 4:18pm

I would try to engage you CS, but there is no middle ground. I find your extrapolations to be absurd. So forgive me that I don't dignify your insane statement like I condone human sacrifice at the alter of the almighty dollar. I am merely reporting what is true. Tell it to Steve Jobs.
Its pretty clear why you dropped out...lol.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 4:26pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:18pm
So forgive me that I don't dignify insane statement like I condone human sacrifice at the alter of the almighty dollar.
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ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 3:42pm
You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along. May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.
A true sigma male would stand by his opinions of culling the weak 8)
Tell it to Steve Jobs. Its pretty clear why you dropped out...lol.
But they all dropped out to start businesses; I'm clearly on the grindset and you cannot handle my alpha chad energy.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 4:38pm

CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:26pm
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:18pm
So forgive me that I don't dignify insane statement like I condone human sacrifice at the alter of the almighty dollar.
See-
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 3:42pm
You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along. May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.
A true sigma male would stand by his opinions of culling the weak 8)
Tell it to Steve Jobs. Its pretty clear why you dropped out...lol.
But they all dropped out to start businesses; I'm clearly on the grindset and you cannot handle my alpha chad energy.
I dismiss your pseudo faux-alpha chad psychobabble energy. You dropped out because you couldn't compete. You are irrelevant. You realized you couldn't compete and so you need to be taken care of. Problem is you don't have any redeeming quality to society and nobody wants to or cares. Btw, your ridiculous alpha protestations is pure projection of your personal weakness. You are bitter and perhaps you deserve to be because you can't help your DNA. You drew the short straw. Sucks to be you..lol.
Sorry, I am heavy in the nature camp. A perfect environment wouldn't have helped. Can't get a ploy horse to run the Kentucky Derby. Ploy horses like you are born and not made. You lose.
A true sigma doesn't cull the weak like you. You don't matter. Foo-foo dust in the deepest black hole of the cosmos. You bro. L on your forehead. You know the drill.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING » Sep 06 2022 4:52pm

ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:38pm
I dismiss your pseudo faux-alpha chad psychobabble energy. You dropped out because you couldn't compete. You are irrelevant. You realized you couldn't compete and so you need to be taken care of. Problem is you don't have any redeeming quality to society and nobody wants to or cares. Btw, your ridiculous alpha protestations is pure projection of your personal weakness. You are bitter and perhaps you deserve to be because you can't help your DNA. You drew the short straw. Sucks to be you..lol.
Sorry, I am heavy in the nature camp. A perfect environment wouldn't have helped. Can't get a ploy horse to run the Kentucky Derby. You lose.
A true sigma doesn't cull the weak like you. You don't matter. Foo-foo dust in the deepest dark hole of the cosmos. You bro. L on your forehead. You know the drill.
I'm so irrelevant you've been hanging at your computer ready for me to post all day 8) It's okay to be focused on me, for my energy is coveted by those whom continue to mald on the internet about dumb nerd shit. Posting diatribes? You're supposed to be a sigma-male millionaire yet you're wasting time here. Sad!

Also saying "Dark hole of the cosmos" makes it sound like I achieved jhāna in bhuddism. So far you're fanfic of me is that I'm a Buddhist socialist dropout living in a solar tent. Sounds like a kickass hook to an RPG.

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Re: "Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

Post by ebuilder » Sep 06 2022 5:03pm

CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:52pm
ebuilder wrote:
Sep 06 2022 4:38pm
I dismiss your pseudo faux-alpha chad psychobabble energy. You dropped out because you couldn't compete. You are irrelevant. You realized you couldn't compete and so you need to be taken care of. Problem is you don't have any redeeming quality to society and nobody wants to or cares. Btw, your ridiculous alpha protestations is pure projection of your personal weakness. You are bitter and perhaps you deserve to be because you can't help your DNA. You drew the short straw. Sucks to be you..lol.
Sorry, I am heavy in the nature camp. A perfect environment wouldn't have helped. Can't get a ploy horse to run the Kentucky Derby. You lose.
A true sigma doesn't cull the weak like you. You don't matter. Foo-foo dust in the deepest dark hole of the cosmos. You bro. L on your forehead. You know the drill.
I'm so irrelevant you've been hanging at your computer ready for me to post all day 8) It's okay to be focused on me, for my energy is coveted by those whom continue to mald on the internet about dumb nerd shit. Posting diatribes? You're supposed to be a sigma-male millionaire yet you're wasting time here. Sad!

Also saying "Dark hole of the cosmos" makes it sound like I achieved jhāna in bhuddism. So far you're fanfic of me is that I'm a Buddhist socialist dropout living in a solar tent. Sounds like a kickass hook to an RPG.
You are my clown show. I am watching tennis on the split screen. The US Open is on. I grew up playing. I rode my bike earlier and heading out for a swim shortly.
Yes, I am wasting my time. Guilty. I like to waste my time once in a while. No you aren't worth it and why I haven't been whole hearted in meaningful discussion with you. You are incapable of it. Fun to spin you up however and watch you whirl like a dervish. Remember, L on your forehead as you spin.

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