"Realistically I think we need to use oil & gas because":

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equating economic success with survival of the fittest doesn’t work and those who take economic risks quickly can jump to the bottom or top of the economic pyramid. The market is fickle and darwin wasn’t talking about economics. We benefit from all who struggle even those who failed. Those who failed show the path to those that later succeed. Sadly there’s less who are willing to take risks if the society doesn’t have a safety net to protect them. Luckily we are NOT in a purely capitalistic society.
 
ebuilder said:
Jeff Bezos, like him or hate him started Amazon in his garage.
And a $300,000 loan from his parents.

But to deny that Capitalism isn't survival of the fittest is to deny reality. You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along.
Which is funny when companies that provide necessary social services like Rural Metro of Arizona had no competitors and Still failed Mierably.

May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.
What the frock, this dude literally wanting sacrifice at the golden idol altar of the almighty dollar
This aint even a bruh moment at this point, what is actually wrong with you lmao
 
ebuilder said:
So forgive me that I don't dignify insane statement like I condone human sacrifice at the alter of the almighty dollar.
See-
ebuilder said:
You must of never competed against other companies producing the same product as competition comes along. May the best man/woman win and countless fall by the wayside and even die trying.
A true sigma male would stand by his opinions of culling the weak 8)

Tell it to Steve Jobs. Its pretty clear why you dropped out...lol.
But they all dropped out to start businesses; I'm clearly on the grindset and you cannot handle my alpha chad energy.
 
ebuilder said:
I dismiss your pseudo faux-alpha chad psychobabble energy. You dropped out because you couldn't compete. You are irrelevant. You realized you couldn't compete and so you need to be taken care of. Problem is you don't have any redeeming quality to society and nobody wants to or cares. Btw, your ridiculous alpha protestations is pure projection of your personal weakness. You are bitter and perhaps you deserve to be because you can't help your DNA. You drew the short straw. Sucks to be you..lol.
Sorry, I am heavy in the nature camp. A perfect environment wouldn't have helped. Can't get a ploy horse to run the Kentucky Derby. You lose.
A true sigma doesn't cull the weak like you. You don't matter. Foo-foo dust in the deepest dark hole of the cosmos. You bro. L on your forehead. You know the drill.
I'm so irrelevant you've been hanging at your computer ready for me to post all day 8) It's okay to be focused on me, for my energy is coveted by those whom continue to mald on the internet about dumb nerd shit. Posting diatribes? You're supposed to be a sigma-male millionaire yet you're wasting time here. Sad!

Also saying "Dark hole of the cosmos" makes it sound like I achieved jhāna in bhuddism. So far you're fanfic of me is that I'm a Buddhist socialist dropout living in a solar tent. Sounds like a kickass hook to an RPG.
 
ebuilder said:
Your words...
One bill in one country comprising 15% of the global carbon footprint.
Correct. You asked for an example, so I gave you one. This is, of course, only one bill in only one country. There are many more bills and many more countries. Together they can make a difference.
..alphas don't exist whereby Neil Armstrong was an alpha among top alphas
Because he was an excellent pilot?

In that case I'm the alpha here because I'm a pretty good pilot based on my record. So you can be the beta! Now you'll have to listen to me, since that's what you think wolves do.

Works for me!

denying that social security dollars come on the back of Capitalist dollars…
Of course it does. So does our military. You wanna give that up because it's evil socialism?
Ridiculous assertions like Socialism got us to the Moon
NASA is a taxpayer funded government run socialist organization.
nuclear power and nuclear weapons
. . . came out of the Manhattan Project, a socialist project funded and directed by the US government.
10% for the big guy only it isn't dumb Joe, its big brother who gets their cut.
Sorry, your rant got so nuts there I couldn't parse it.
George Soros has your back.
Hmm. You _might_ be able to claim that Elon Musk, Irwin Jacobs, Cristiano Ammon and Badri Kothandaraman have my back, since they are the leaders of companies I have worked for and/or made a lot of money off. Soros? Not so much.
People don’t agree on fundamental things like government, commerce or what morality even means…good and evil in the eye of the beholder. We can't even agree on where America derives their wealth and superpower status and how we emerged in the world.
Most people actually do. People like you try to create artificial divides for political purposes - but for the most part, most people are centrists and they share the same basic morals. There are tons of experiments that support this.
Why is that? Pretty sure you never worked a day in industry or made anything in your life and sold it in the marketplace.
If you have ever wirelessly charged a portable device, you have utilized technology I developed and patented.
If you've ever used a Globalstar satellite phone, you used a phone that I designed.
If you ever used a PCMCIA card for WWAN data access, you used a design that I created over 20 years ago.

You're welcome.
If you did, you failed and flunked out and why you believe all the material wealth of the US fell from the sky while you sang kumbaya by the campfire. Maybe you agree with Hummina that homeless people living in tents in the US being powered by recycled solar panels 'is cool'.
I think making homeless people slightly less miserable is a good thing, yes. Solar, of course, does not solve any of the other underlying problems that lead to homelessness. It just makes them slightly less miserable. I am sure you would agree if you could escape your "I must divide people!" agenda.
You aren't dialing in from there are you?...lol. The world we live in.
I quite literally am dialing in via a wireless hotspot, using technology the company I worked for developed. You may not understand it; that's fine. Just understand that people like me provide the tools so people like you can call us clueless.
See my avatar? AC Telsa versus DC Edison. Two alphas. Edison demonized Tesla publicly including stage craft showing people burned in an AC powered electric chair. No socialistic hand holding there. A bitter dogfight for money, power and control of the grid. Tesla won.
Tesla died miserable and penniless. From that perspective Edison won hands down, since he died rich and famous with a huge following after creating almost a dozen companies that lasted decades. One is still in existence after four mergers, and is now called "Pennsylvania Transformer Technologies."

What happened to your "capitalism is everything" approach?
 
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Wish he would STOP ... go back and remove all such references. Here are a few ...

  • "You are my clown show"

  • "Fun to spin you up however and watch you whirl like a dervish. Remember, L on your forehead as you spin."

  • "You don't matter. Foo-foo dust in the deepest dark hole of the cosmos."

  • "I dismiss your pseudo faux-alpha chad psychobabble energy. You dropped out because you couldn't compete. You are irrelevant."

I'm really surprised that ebuilder sees the need for justifying such mud-slinging flame :flame: ... directed at CS.

FWIW: NOT a liberal-socialist, but do listen to Ralph Nader :thumb: ... and Newt Gingrich :thumb: ... whenever i happen to catch them ... appreciate their insight on American economy and world events (great minds).
 
eMark said:
FWIW: NOT a liberal-socialist, but do listen to Ralph Nader :thumb: ... and Newt Gingrich :thumb: ... whenever i happen to catch them ... appreciate their insight on American economy and world events (great minds).
Yep. There is wisdom to be found in unusual places. I have read a lot of work by Ayn Rand, Rush Limbaugh and Thomas Sowell. And even though I disagree with their conclusions, their thoughts are often interesting.

Unfortunately, their work (as is the work on the other side of the aisle) is often reduced to memes and sound bites, removing much of the value of their thoughts.

But to get back to the original thread:

There is absolutely a need for oil and gas. Its most important use is as a raw material for manufacturing; there is literally nothing else we have that gives us the range of products (naptha, gasoline, kerosene, bunker fuel, diesel, asphalt etc etc) that we then turn into clothing, rope, paint, drugs, plastics, solvents, lubricants and roads.

And the cool thing about using them that way is that they can be reused. Right now it's difficult but it's being done, and in the future we will get better at reusing plastics, roads, rope and clothing by melting them down, processing them and then using them for another purposes.

Given that, it's essential to NOT use burn all the oil we have as fast as we can. There are things that are easy to reduce or eliminate - fuel for cars, fuel for short haul trucks, fuel for maritime shipping. These should take priority.

Longer term we will be able to replace the oil used for aviation, spacecraft and long distance trucking. In the short term there's no good solution, but even making the change for cars, short haul trucking and marine fuels will make a significant difference. It will both reduce our CO2 usage and extend the amount of oil we have for the next generations.
 
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