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Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by Dee Jay » Jan 03 2008 12:04am

Continuing from another post . . .

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I have to agree, my bike is tad bit flashy, but given the limited choices of colors metallic/gray was the most neutral to me. I'm glad I found dark tinted chrome rims as the other high-end BMX rims at the bike shop screams for attention.

TD, I'd like to see your version of the Revive with an ebike kit! I believe the Revive frame has lots of potential. The upper frame and rear lower frame provides plenty of space for batteries. If I find a way to mount two shocks at the rear, I can use the area of the original shock for a triangular battery pack. I have truck-loads more ideas:

-20" is nice and low, great for heavy battery packs, but too short on range and not ebike energy efficient. Imagine a 26" Revive! I want to convert the rear wheel to 24" as it might be the most I can fit in, and 26" front.

-Custom made steel fork with fully enclosed heavy-duty drop-outs for 5X use, similar to motorcycle drop-outs. And dual v-brake mounts to accommodate 24" or 26" rims, as well as disc brake mounts. Need to keep it as elegant as the original fork...

-Hydraulic cylinder to lift the upper frame

-Being limited to 7 gears with the freewheel, I thought of upgrading the single chain ring to three performance chain rings. Until I can fabricate a mount for a front derailer, I'd have to manually derail for the given riding condition.

-Build modular NiMH packs so that I can use only one or two packs for short/lite rides, and add two or more for longer trips. Lugging around an entire 12lbs NiMH pack all the time is just not practical.

-Homemade fairing. Built with two stiff sheets of opaque plastic. Unlike EZ racer bubble fairings, mine will have a sharp edge cutting into the wind like the lower bow of a boat cutting into the water. It would also serve to hide wires and accessories at the front.

-A sound system would be teh-assums... too dangerous riding with headphones on. I found a cool little AA battery operated speaker system made for mp3 players, by Altec Lansing called iM4.
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I'd be bumping some electronic jazz while crusing. I had a chance to listen to the quality but hard to hear with the other electronics going off in the shop. These speakers would double as a PA system or a horn with unusual sounds for the dog-walkers, joggers, etc.. Not irritating sounds, but pleasant sounds. I imagine something like George Jetson's hover craft sound or whatever...

-A Bob Trailer would be sweet, too. I would chuck the battery pack back there along with everything else.

Those are my future projects. My current projects:

-Disguising my Dewalt packs' construction-yellow by using the Dewalt plastic packaging which will be painted gray to blend with the frame color. In theory, it should look like an ILM/Star Wars movie prop. Hey, better than construction-yellow with Dewalt decal reading upside-down, right?
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-Also, in an on-going effort to keep the frump on the down-low on my meter mounts (made from cheap rear view mirrors from a dollar shop) I need to hide the wires, to keep water out, and to deflect the wind. So I bought plastic Christmas ornament balls and cut them to fit to front side. Without it, the mounts act like ping-pong paddles against the wind.
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Not sure I like the reflective surface. It screams for attention as well. I may paint it gray..
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Spaceship :smile: Mark, I'll take that as a compliment. Truth be told, with the child seat, I think my bike looks like something Princess Lea would be rolling around on, with Han Solo's son, tee hee hee! Since my wife and son took off to the inlaw's for a week, I dismounted the child seat so I can advertise with the Crystalyte triangle bags on both sides of the rear.
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Without the child seat, I have this terrible habit of acting like Count Dookie zooming around with a smug look on my face! I think that's what irritates the locals, ha ha! Like I am SOOoo KING...

With all these crazy but functional ideas, it would be a real challenge for people here to take me seriously. I think it's a matter of blending in these ideas and keeping it true to the original Revive design. For example, I never use black wire straps over the bright gray frame as it would chop up the flowing design of the frame. It's the little things, and they add up. I did use white straps for the switch box but this is temporary. My ideas will depend on how well I design them, we'll see...

Feel free to use my ideas, especially if you think it would help you keep down the frump. :smile:

J
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Re: Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by deardancer3 » Jan 03 2008 12:28am

We have a set of Bionx 350w ebikes with the Revive as the platform. Nice.
we modified the rear seat guied assy to allow even longer legs.

A fellow in Kentucky has a Revive with a xlite hub motor I think

You may want to consider an Sram dual drive for your rear wheel and use a cyclone chain drive, would fit real easy and be really fast.

http://www.day6bicycles.com/dreamE.html#
if you are looking for an ebike semi recumbent with bigger wheels. I rode one, the first one built.. It was real fast and real comfy. It sold fast too. :D

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Post by Link » Jan 03 2008 3:22am

Horn sounds? If I ever catch you playing "La Cucaracha" out of that thing I'm going to kick you off of it. My vote is for "Get the f*** out of the way!"

As for the ludicrousosity (I made that up) of putting a sound system on an ebike, it isn't that stupid an idea. I was gonna do it too and bump some electronica and metal out of it. I wonder how many old people I could offend by playing Bloodhound Gang's "The Bad Touch" out of it 8)...
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Post by diver » Jan 03 2008 7:21am

Link wrote:Horn sounds? If I ever catch you playing "La Cucaracha" out of that thing I'm going to kick you off of it. My vote is for "Get the f*** out of the way!"

As for the ludicrousosity (I made that up) of putting a sound system on an ebike, it isn't that stupid an idea. I was gonna do it too and bump some electronica and metal out of it. I wonder how many old people I could offend by playing Bloodhound Gang's "The Bad Touch" out of it 8)...
Or how about some good ol country and western, that would be enough to piss any one off

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Re: Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by fechter » Jan 03 2008 10:37am

diver wrote: Or how about some good ol country and western, that would be enough to piss any one off

Ahhh!!!! not that!

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Post by Dee Jay » Jan 03 2008 11:01pm

I actually considered getting this Day6 for my wife because I was really impressed with the 26" wheels but to be honest I wasn't too keen on the frame and the sissy bars, plus the way the bars flowed down to the forks is just not very elegant. It just looks really odd to me. Even if I wanted it, shipping to Japan wouldn't be doable. I noticed the video seems to emphasize that these "comfort bikes" are for the elderly... cool points off. Now if you can make a Revive knock-off in 26" I'd probably buy one! I also considered Sram and front hub motor for my wife's Revive because shifting at a full stop on a wannabe-recumebent is no fun. Do you have pics of the Bionix Revive combo? I saw one on some website, a red Revive and Bionix battery pack installed exactly where my NiMH pack is now. But I couldn't imagine how it was secured on the upper frame without brackets like mine. I joked with my wife that it could be "Photoshopped" .

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Post by Dee Jay » Jan 03 2008 11:03pm

La Cucaracha and hydraulic on my bike? I'd be all-kinds-of-set, ay caramba! Getting attacked for country and mexican music? Ha ha! you guys got me rolling...

I saw some old bum riding a trashy bicycle in the middle of downtown. He literally had trash attached all over his bike... and a guy of equal age jumped out the sidewalk, in a suit mind you, and tried to kick the trash bike. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen... the way people react to something they can't comprehend, people just freak out, ha ha!
Horn sounds? If I ever catch you playing "La Cucaracha" out of that thing I'm going to kick you off of it. My vote is for "Get the f*** out of the way!"
In Japan, pedestrians just don't look where they're going because they think vehicles will always stop for them. So yeah, there are times that using my courtesy bell just don't cut it and I end up yelling YO! or HEY! Especially when my boy is riding with me, I have to be aggressive.

And cyclists do all manner of dangerous things.Talking on the phone. Emailing. Eating. Looking everywhere except the road. One night, I was riding in the dark area of the bicycle path and I saw some highschool girl jurkin her boyfriend. I kid you not. She had her arms wrapped around his waist, hands down his crotch, weaving on the path. I almost crashed into them.

Then you got drivers. Drivers here are so damn good that they take more chances than beginners and end up causing very serious accidents. Not to mention truck drivers stung out on North Korean amphetamines. I could go on and on.

Tokyo is a frickin' zoo.

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Post by albie » Jan 04 2008 2:13am

Dee Jay wrote:And cyclists do all manner of dangerous things.Talking on the phone. Emailing. Eating. Looking everywhere except the road. One night, I was riding in the dark area of the bicycle path and I saw some highschool girl jurkin her boyfriend. I kid you not. She had her arms wrapped around his waist, hands down his crotch, weaving on the path. I almost crashed into them.
I would've video'd this and posted it off the interweb!!!!!! Make money out of candid porn hahaha
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albie wrote:
Dee Jay wrote:And cyclists do all manner of dangerous things.Talking on the phone. Emailing. Eating. Looking everywhere except the road. One night, I was riding in the dark area of the bicycle path and I saw some highschool girl jurkin her boyfriend. I kid you not. She had her arms wrapped around his waist, hands down his crotch, weaving on the path. I almost crashed into them.
I would've video'd this and posted it off the interweb!!!!!! Make money out of candid porn hahaha
Thats it Im moving to japan. i will do my riding in a rickshaw and pick up female hikers. :mrgreen:

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Post by iberkt » Jan 04 2008 1:12pm

diver wrote:Thats it Im moving to japan. i will do my riding in a rickshaw and pick up female hikers. :mrgreen:
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You can get a Pedicab Rickshaw (http://www.cyclesmaximus.com/)

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Post by deardancer3 » Jan 04 2008 2:51pm

Dee Jay wrote:Do you have pics of the Bionix Revive combo? I saw one on some website, a red Revive and Bionix battery pack installed exactly where my NiMH pack is now. But I couldn't imagine how it was secured on the upper frame without brackets like mine. I joked with my wife that it could be "Photoshopped" .
On ours we use the stock 36v NIMH Bionx battery bag velcroed to the rear rack.

You can also secure the standard Bionx battery BOX; either - to the rear rack with a little time at the h/w store, or, you can use the kit from Bionx where you put Faux water bottle bracket holes on top the big main aluminum cross tube by the crankset . be careful with the later, it is a non reversible one way trip, drill the holes too big and it is a big negative cosmetic mark.

Any way you go, the Bionx cable assembly has to be built for the Revive and has to be made for you; its all been done before, and works fine, just none of these configurations are a stock item as many are. Sometimes they can send you a generic extra long assembly while you wait for the exact REvive one be made for you, you pay the extra freight.

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Post by Dee Jay » Jan 05 2008 12:13am

I would've video'd this and posted it off the interweb!!!!!!
albie, glad you reminded me... one of my projects is to take pix of Tokyo chix on bikes. The http://copenhagengirlsonbikes.blogspot.com/ shots are always done in good taste, otherwise it would've been shut down by now. I think in order to be taken seriously as an artist, one has to use high quality cameras and the skills to match, plus the ability to tell a good short story with a single photo. With my cheapie digital camera and zero skills, I can easily be lumped in along with perverts who snap under-skirt shots of high school girls in the trains, some of whom were politicians and police officers. Buy hey, but if girls are gonna ride around on bikes jurking their boyfriends, I say either get a room or get caught on video, he he! But that's just me... :wink:

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Post by Link » Jan 05 2008 10:19pm

Dee Jay wrote: And cyclists do all manner of dangerous things.Talking on the phone. Emailing. Eating. Looking everywhere except the road. One night, I was riding in the dark area of the bicycle path and I saw some highschool girl jurkin her boyfriend. I kid you not. She had her arms wrapped around his waist, hands down his crotch, weaving on the path. I almost crashed into them.
Uhh...about that...:oops:
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Post by Dee Jay » Jan 12 2008 10:32am

Got the camera back.

Installed my new voltmeter

Took some pics from inside Starbucks. Starbuck suck. I'm more a Peet's coffee fan but no Peet's here.
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daily dose in the evening
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and day
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Took more pics on the bike path.
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tightened the sagging beer gut
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new voltmeter2-1.jpg
Tada . . .
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the names and faces had been changed to protect the innocent
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I went with 100 volts analog meter as I plan to up the voltage someday. Learned that digital would've been more accurate but sussed that maybe hard to see in under direct sunlight. I learned long ago during my outdoor/daytime DJ gigs spinning on CD decks. I could not see the friggin digital display under direct daylight, fnck me!

I'm happy with analog.
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Re: Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by jerryt » Jan 12 2008 12:58pm

Since your original pics disappeared can you post up some more? I'm trying to decide on a crank forward model and the Revive looks good.
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Post by Eric G » Jan 12 2008 2:14pm

I really ,really really like this ride.It looks super sleek with the back facing slope of the frame.Nice and compfy ride I would think.Any chance that bike would be available in Canada?

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Post by Dee Jay » Jan 14 2008 6:20am

Hi Eric, Jerry...

thanks for compliments, gentlemen. Did a quick search and was disappointed that the Revive seems to have been discontinued this year in North America, Europe, and Asia. Don't know about undeveloped countries :wink: Good thing I got another one for my wife.

I'm sure there are still shops waiting for someone to take brand new ones out of their hands. Or used ones from dissatisfied owners . . . Without an ebike conversion, the Revive is not an easy bike to ride. Especially if you don't already have developed riding muscles, as I found out when I rode against extreme headwinds. To me, the comfort and the looks is well worth it. With my dual Crystalyte setup it rides up against headwinds like a champ.

Jerry, I'll put up most recent and bigger photos soon. I'm just waiting for a bright and sunny day. It's been hazy or overcast lately.

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Temp gauges

Post by Dee Jay » Jan 25 2008 9:10pm

from: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 549#p46549

Temp gauges :idea: ! I've always wondered how much extreme temps here in Japan affects ebike performance. Would be nice to have separate temp gauges for battery, controller, and 2 motors, but would be too much weight added not to mention electricity drain. So one + / - gauge switchable to three or more temp sensors will have to do... Digital would be nice but would be another drain . . . hhmmmm . .

Can anyone tell me what sensors I need for each component?
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Post by rkosiorek » Jan 26 2008 10:21am

all that you need is a small battery like a 9V or so a voltmeter capable of reading mV a selector switch and some temperature sensor IC's

National semiconductor makes some that are really easy to use. The LM34 is calibrated for degrees F and outputs 10mV per degree. the LM35 is used for degrees C. the only disadvantage is that you cannot change between F and C unless you have 2 different sensors at each location.
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the sensors are in tiny TO92 plastic transistor cases and use 3 wires. you can glue or clamp the sensor directly to what you want to measure the temperature of.

the sensors are between 2 and 6 dollars each depending on who you buy them from and are commonly available.

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Post by fechter » Jan 26 2008 11:35am

I have some digital thermometers from McMaster Carr that were about $10 each that have a separate sensor on a long wire. You could use several sensors and a single readout like Rick shows, only digital.
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Post by rkosiorek » Jan 26 2008 5:53pm

no one said it couldn't be a digital voltmeter. as longas it can resolve mV it will work. i used to use an el-cheapo digital meter i got from an auto prats store for like 5 bucks on sale with a couple of the sensors for indoor/outdoor temp.

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Re: Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by Dee Jay » Jan 26 2008 8:34pm

rkosiorek, fechter,

thanks for the tips gents. I can't wait to shoot down to the electronics district "Akihabara" tomorrow and pick up these parts. I also figured it wouldn't cost too much for them.

I'll definitely go digital this time, not a voltmeter but a C temp meter. My only beef with digital is having to remember to switch it off every time after a ride to save the battery. I've wasted a few batteries when I was using my cheapy digital multimeter strapped to my handlebar. With my ammeter and voltmeter hardwired, all I do is switch off the pack and they both turn off.

Another gauge means I'll have to lose the chrissmuss balls. I'm hoping to use a black VHS case for a meter panel.

thanks again!

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Re: Dee Jays Giant Revive projects

Post by Dee Jay » Jan 27 2008 1:37am

Dee Jay wrote: not a voltmeter but a C temp meter
:mrgreen: nevermind

four LM35 TO-92

And a good sized LCD panel meter. Good to have dedicated meters for volt, amp, and temps (would hate to fiddle with buttons to switch between modes while riding) so I'll keep the analogs.

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For PAS users out there

Post by Dee Jay » Jan 27 2008 3:39am

After relocating the PAS button from the controller up next to the throttle at thumb's reach, the novelty quickly wore off after a few weeks. So I decided to make a PAST: PAS + Throttle to allow me to use the throttle or PAS without having to switch modes. At first I thought I'd simply be able disconnect the PAS signal wire and splice it with the Throttle signal wire, but found that it doesn't work like that, so I'm back having to physically switch. FYI: when PAS is on, throttle is electronically disabled. After some high octane cup of jo, I came up with using the throttle to actuate the PAS switch. I cut out a sheet of plastic from a VHS case,
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to mount the switch, sandwiched between the throttle and the brake lever.
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And cut a cardboard template out of (you guessed it)
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and will use sheet aluminum in this shape to move with the throttle.
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I'm still looking for sheet aluminum that's easy to work with. I may need to spring for a dremel type tool for precision cuts.

If it works out: with a closed throttle, the switch remain pressed into PAS mode. When I twist the throttle, the PAS mode cuts out and re-enables the throttle and off I go. To use the PAS, simply let go the throttle and start pedaling or pedal from a standing stop.

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