Advice on big wheel e scooter?

[qlqlqlp]

I'm looking for an e scooter like the Argento active Bike Electric scooter which has a 20" bike type wheel and disc brakes. However it's motor and battery are wimpy. I was wondering if it is easy to upgrade or maybe I could just buy a kick scooter with a 20" wheel (I found osprey one on amazon although this only has cantilever hrakes) and diy it with a decent front wheel ebike motor kit and 48V battery.

Does anyone know of an alternative decently powered 20" wheel e scooter with decent (disk) brakes so I can avoid DIY? I've seen element bondi and dualtron city but they're both too expensive for me at around £2000.

Or can anyone suggest any better ideas or alternative donor kick scooters that are available in UK?

I was thinking of just putting the battery on the deck and standing on it. Are they strong enough for this? I weigh about 100kg and I'm 196cm tall.

I'm based in the UK so options limited... Especially now we're out of the EU so can't even ship for free from there any more

Thanks!

 

[calab]

Lace a geared front hub motor into a 20" rim.
Handlebar battery bag is an option, or a backpack battery.
204mm front disk rotor, actuated by cable not hydraulic oil.

 

[Chalo]

What's wrong with using a bike? By the time you use something bike-sized but stand-up only, the only thing you gain is ability to hurt yourself.

You're too big for kids' toys. Put on your grown up pants.

 

[glennb]

No idea what you might have available locally, but thete’s plenty on alibaba.

I obviously don’t know the poster’s reasoning, but it’s possible they’re stuck with having to decide between 250W bike or unlimited power kick/foot scooter. A 250W (nominal) mid-drive bike you can live with, but for tandem and cargo vehicles the scooter is an attractive option.

 

[Chalo]

I obviously don’t know the poster’s reasoning, but it’s possible they’re stuck with having to decide between 250W bike or unlimited power kick/foot scooter. A 250W (nominal) mid-drive bike you can live with, but for tandem and cargo vehicles the scooter is an attractive option.

The scooter the OP references is a stand up only, 20" front/16" rear, 350W nominal e-scooter. On the basis of its larger than typical wheels, it's probably slightly better than average in terms of likelihood of going to the emergency room. But high power in a package like that, especially with a very tall person aboard, is a recipe for trouble.

The unbraced decks of most tube-framed scooters are not good for bearing high rider weight, so that's a separate issue that seems to apply in this case.

Here's another data point from the seller's own product information page:

Electric scooters are not legal in the UK, they are not to be used on any roads, footpaths or cycle lanes.

 

[ganzey]

The ospreys are pretty tough, i beat the heck put of one for a year or so, 35h hub up front with a votol em30 set to 40A. I jumped it, sunk it in mud, id guess 75% of its life has been off road and/or WOT. That being said, its like a bmx bike comfort wise. If you are crouched down a bit with one leg on the board and the other hovering off the side, for balance while locking up the rear tire around turns, its the perfect size (i have a crussis cross as well and it feels like a boat compared to the osprey).

I did bend the dropouts on the fork, side to side, multiple times. I have torque arms on both sides, never spun the axle at all. The tire was just rubbing the inside of the fork. I bent them back 3 times before cutting off the head tube and welding on a 1 1/8" head tube, and put on a dual crown fork. Switched to a rear hub, and really regret it. The motor up front was weirdly perfect. I ran a 16" dirtbike tire up front, 16" street tire on the rear. On dirt/gravel I could lock up the rear tire and swing it around while also going WOT and the front hub would pull me through the turn, drift scooter ftw.

But it feels weird riding it on pavement, im only 5'10" and feel hunched over standing straight up on it.

 

[Roy!]

The ospreys are pretty tough, i beat the heck put of one for a year or so, 35h hub up front with a votol em30 set to 40A. I jumped it, sunk it in mud, id guess 75% of its life has been off road and/or WOT. That being said, its like a bmx bike comfort wise. If you are crouched down a bit with one leg on the board and the other hovering off the side, for balance while locking up the rear tire around turns, its the perfect size (i have a crussis cross as well and it feels like a boat compared to the osprey).

I did bend the dropouts on the fork, side to side, multiple times. I have torque arms on both sides, never spun the axle at all. The tire was just rubbing the inside of the fork. I bent them back 3 times before cutting off the head tube and welding on a 1 1/8" head tube, and put on a dual crown fork. Switched to a rear hub, and really regret it. The motor up front was weirdly perfect. I ran a 16" dirtbike tire up front, 16" street tire on the rear. On dirt/gravel I could lock up the rear tire and swing it around while also going WOT and the front hub would pull me through the turn, drift scooter ftw.

But it feels weird riding it on pavement, im only 5'10" and feel hunched over standing straight up on it.

Hey, I built two from scratch. First one was an oak one with 12" tires and a 2000 watt motor and the other is a plate aluminum one with 16" wheels off a Jetson ebike with a 3000 watt motor, almost finished with it. I am 6'1" so I made a taller stem.

 

[ganzey]

Hey, I built two from scratch. First one was an oak one with 12" tires and a 2000 watt motor and the other is a plate aluminum one with 16" wheels off a Jetson ebike with a 3000 watt motor, almost finished with it. I am 6'1" so I made a taller stem.

Very nice! I bought all the materials to build one but havent found the time yet, still designing the rear suspension, which is taking longer than i thought.
so in the meantime i picked up a crussis cross that is much more comfortable for long rides, but you cant just whip it around like the little osprey. Still a lot of fun, 45h "3000w" hub and a 3shul c350 really makes it go.

 

[Roy!]

NICE!!!

 

[glennb]

Great scooters ganzey and roy, well done.

Roy, does the skinny downtube on your aluminium decked scooter flex much? It was smart to punch the big cable entry hole in the top rather than the side of it.

 

[qlqlqlp]

No idea what you might have available locally, but thete’s plenty on alibaba.

Not the big wheel ones as far as I can see... it's hard to find them via search... for me anyway, maybe I'm missing a trick

 

[qlqlqlp]

Wow, cool! Way beyond my skills though.

 

[qlqlqlp]

Hey, I built two from scratch. First one was an oak one with 12" tires and a 2000 watt motor and the other is a plate aluminum one with 16" wheels off a Jetson ebike with a 3000 watt motor, almost finished with it. I am 6'1" so I made a taller stem.

Wow, cool! Way beyond my skills though.

 

[qlqlqlp]

Very nice! I bought all the materials to build one but havent found the time yet, still designing the rear suspension, which is taking longer than i thought.
so in the meantime i picked up a crussis cross that is much more comfortable for long rides, but you cant just whip it around like the little osprey. Still a lot of fun, 45h "3000w" hub and a 3shul c350 really makes it go.

Looks fun! I'm really tall so I think this/the osprey will be too small for me. I'm looking at the swifty scooters in UK. V expensive though. They do e scooters but wimpy motors and 36v batteries so they won't cut it for me

 

[qlqlqlp]

Lace a geared front hub motor into a 20" rim.
Handlebar battery bag is an option, or a backpack battery.
204mm front disk rotor, actuated by cable not hydraulic oil.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Why cable and nit hydraulic?

 

[qlqlqlp]

The ospreys are pretty tough, i beat the heck put of one for a year or so, 35h hub up front with a votol em30 set to 40A. I jumped it, sunk it in mud, id guess 75% of its life has been off road and/or WOT. That being said, its like a bmx bike comfort wise. If you are crouched down a bit with one leg on the board and the other hovering off the side, for balance while locking up the rear tire around turns, its the perfect size (i have a crussis cross as well and it feels like a boat compared to the osprey).

I did bend the dropouts on the fork, side to side, multiple times. I have torque arms on both sides, never spun the axle at all. The tire was just rubbing the inside of the fork. I bent them back 3 times before cutting off the head tube and welding on a 1 1/8" head tube, and put on a dual crown fork. Switched to a rear hub, and really regret it. The motor up front was weirdly perfect. I ran a 16" dirtbike tire up front, 16" street tire on the rear. On dirt/gravel I could lock up the rear tire and swing it around while also going WOT and the front hub would pull me through the turn, drift scooter ftw.

But it feels weird riding it on pavement, im only 5'10" and feel hunched over standing straight up on it.

Hehe that looks really cool. Love the upgraded front end. Where does the battery go? I was wondering if I could just put it on the deck and stand on it? Probably bad idea! But yeah I'm too tall then... Unless try to get someone to make an extra long stem...

 

[glennb]

Not the big wheel ones as far as I can see... it's hard to find them via search... for me anyway, maybe I'm missing a trick

You can get Sobowo ones there.

And others. E.g.

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256805722011000.html?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004128299551.html

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805587020477.html?

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805039033468.html?

 

[ganzey]

Hehe that looks really cool. Love the upgraded front end. Where does the battery go? I was wondering if I could just put it on the deck and stand on it? Probably bad idea! But yeah I'm too tall then... Unless try to get someone to make an extra long stem...

Battery is attached in a couple of the pictures, on the down tube. Ive tried it up high and down low, definetly keep it as low as possible. Hose clamps and rubber hose to mount so i could easily swap them out, as this was used as a test mules for several batteries. You probably could put it on the deck, but yea it would be awkward. Ive found that you really want your feet below a line between the axles or it feels weird, but that might just be me.


Have you looked into Gravity scooters? A bit pricier, but they look pretty dope. They sell scratch n dent models or bare frames for a pretty decent price.

 

[Amati]

I'm looking for an e scooter like the Argento active Bike Electric scooter which has a 20" bike type wheel and disc brakes. However it's motor and battery are wimpy. I was wondering if it is easy to upgrade or maybe I could just buy a kick scooter with a 20" wheel (I found osprey one on amazon although this only has cantilever hrakes) and diy it with a decent front wheel ebike motor kit and 48V battery.

Does anyone know of an alternative decently powered 20" wheel e scooter with decent (disk) brakes so I can avoid DIY? I've seen element bondi and dualtron city but they're both too expensive for me at around £2000.

Or can anyone suggest any better ideas or alternative donor kick scooters that are available in UK?

I was thinking of just putting the battery on the deck and standing on it. Are they strong enough for this? I weigh about 100kg and I'm 196cm tall.

I'm based in the UK so options limited... Especially now we're out of the EU so can't even ship for free from there any more

Thanks!

Might look at the Kickbike electric, if they’re sold in the UK. Don’t know what they might run cost wise…