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Chuck T

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On the 2 Ebikes I've owned, I have ridden maybe 8000 miles.
Both bikes had knobby tires on them.
I've never had a flat.
I switched to Innova combo tires , street and off road combo.
I have ridden the bike maybe 500 miles .
I have also had 6 flats !
I have switched back to knobby tires !
Bad luck or bad tires ?
Chuck
 
Both? Most knobbies have minimal puncture protection, but the knobs themselves can raise the tire casing just far enough from the surface to resist some smallish foreign objects that would otherwise be able to poke through. Even similar-looking tires can vary greatly in their resistance to puncture, based on casing fabric, number of plies, rubber formula, and the presence or absence of an armor belt in the layup.

But flats tend to occur in a very random distribution. Sometimes I can go months without one, and other times I get several per week, just running back and forth to work on the same lanes. Still there are tires I used to favor because of their excellent ride quality and performance, that I don't use anymore because I don't want to fix a flat every time I go out.

All else equal, double casing plies are better, high thread count is better, and belted construction is better at resisting punctures. You can put conventional or tubeless sealant into a tube to afford a little more protection without the mess and maintenance of a tubeless setup.

Thick "thorn resistant" tubes don't have too much of a downside (mostly weight and a little ride quality), but they also don't give very much extra flat protection either.

Tire liners e.g. Mr Tuffys seem to cause flats as often as they prevent them. They chafe into the inner tube at their edges and cut ends, eventually causing air leaks. So advise against those.

I've had some of the same problems more quickly when I tried to use a tire as a liner. The cut edge of the tire (where the wire bead was removed) chews into an inflated tube almost immediately, unless another non-inflated tube layer is used as abrasion protection. That method gets very heavy and yields poor ride quality, to add to the nuisance of getting everything installed just so.

Airless foam tires have the worst ride quality of all, and they're slow and draggy, and heavy, with poor traction, and they beat the snot out of your wheels because they don't distribute loads all the way around like a pneumatic tire.

If you ride on soft surfaces a lot and prefer knobby tires, Schwalbe Marathon Plus MTB and Schwalbe Johnny Watts are both good armored tires that fit the purpose.
 
I've become somewhat addicted to my homebrew tubeless sealant. I have one bike with a rear tire I'm running tubeless that has about nine 9 (or more) punctures. I can tell because when the bike sits for an extended time period, they "weep" ever so slightly with fluid from the sealant. That's probably somewhere between five and nine times where I didn't have to unmount the tire and patch the tube.

I had a slow leak on the back tire of my long tail cargo bike. Instead of patching it, I just put in some of my sealant. Holds air fine now.

Tubed or tubeless, sealant seems to keep tire rolling with a minimum of maintenance and downtime.
 
Tubed or tubeless, sealant seems to keep tire rolling with a minimum of maintenance and downtime.
Everyone I know who uses a tubeless setup, spends more time futzing around with his tires than everyone I know who uses tubes. If they're lucky, they can choose the time and place to do tire stuff. But don't be fooled-- tubeless equals more maintenance and more time spent on tires.
 
Everyone I know who uses a tubeless setup, spends more time futzing around with his tires than everyone I know who uses tubes. If they're lucky, they can choose the time and place to do tire stuff. But don't be fooled-- tubeless equals more maintenance and more time spent on tires.

I ran tubes exclusively up until a couple years ago when I switched my 1995 Trek 990 (26 x 1.5 tires) to tubeless. And frankly, I was skeptical. I only did it because I ran across a YouTube video and figured I could try it with stuff I already had at home. I tried it on a lark.

For me tubeless has been a clear net plus. The main benefit has been zero on-road flats. I thought I was going to have a flat once. But it sealed itself up in a couple wheel turns and I didn't even have to stop to top off air. As for at home maintenance, I have to weigh the two remount, cleans and reseal sessions against the estimated time to deal with 9 or more punctures. Since I can't bear to toss out a patchable tube, that means I have to consider the time futzing with multiple tube removals, sticker/glass/wire tire checks, and remounts.

I have not been measuring the time any of this takes. So I don't know which actually takes more time. But from the standpoint of interfering with my enjoyment of the bicycles, tubeless has been the clear winner.

That said, tubes with sealant might be the best of both worlds from the standpoint of time and interruptions to cycling. If it can reduce flats while riding to nearly zero and eliminate the need for patching and cleaning out a rim/tire combo, this could be the way to go. The only downside seems to be that I'd go through tubes a bit more often as the sealant accumulates. I'll be experimenting with this on the cargo bike.
 
Thanks all !
All street rides.
Tubed tires.
Mostly nails and small pieces of metal.
Dual motor 2000 watts bike. I cruise at 29.6 mph in 4th gear.
26x4 fat tires. Always use 8 oz. bottle of Slime per tire.
Always the rear tire.
Bike with me 270 pounds.
Hole in tire is never larger than small nail size.
Chuck
 
26x4 fat tires.

Can't really help you with those; they're pretty much all garbage. EBC makes a 26x3 armored tire called "Rhino" that would fit on your rims, but all the others in that size range I've seen are either simple airbags, or grotesquely heavy and rubbery simple airbags. No inherent puncture resistance at all. The main flat prevention in fatbike tires seems to be using low enough pressure that things don't poke through because the tire isn't firm enough.
 
Do tell...
No big secret. I'm just doing it with a minor twist in that I use Tear Mender fabric glue in place of liquid latex. Liquid Latex is the major component of Tear Mender. In fact, for all I know, Tear Mender is just liquid latex. It is because I have this on hand for gluing table tennis rubber to table tennis blades that I figured I had everything on hand to make some.

Formula
4 parts water (Distilled is probably preferred, but RO water is what I've used as well)
2 parts Tear Mender (or liquid latex)
2 parts anti-freeze (I've been using a concentrated ethylene-glycol cuz that's what was on hand. But propylene glycol is less toxic and probably safer.
1 part household Ammonia

I typically will mix this up in a batch of 18 ounces. To that I'll add a pack of glitter (Dollar Tree), a tablespoon of cornstarch, and a tablespoon of milled glass fiber. I just happen to have a bunch of the milled glass fiber. I'm not sure if it does any good. The general instructions are to add something that will help start the clogging action. One guy said he uses dog hair from brushing his dog.

Always shake well before using to make sure the solid bits are suspended.

Now, is it worth your time to mix your own sealant? Probably not. It is cheaper, but it also takes time. So if you are busy, why bother? Also, if you have latex allergies, you don't want to be around this stuff. I think the modern sealants avoid using latex for that reason. I do this because that's the way I started and it amuses me. :^)
 
EBC makes a 26x3 armored tire called "Rhino"

Any good? My Greenspeed Magnum Big Wheel has a 26" rear wheel and it can fit a 3" tire. I'd like something wide for suspension and so I can ride in the sand, which is plentiful in Australia.

I searched on that phrase and some variations - if you have a link, please post it.
 
Any good? My Greenspeed Magnum Big Wheel has a 26" rear wheel and it can fit a 3" tire. I'd like something wide for suspension and so I can ride in the sand, which is plentiful in Australia.

I searched on that phrase and some variations - if you have a link, please post it.
My pedicab owner friends who use it, like it. I have changed a few of them, and they seem substantial and durable.

 
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