Four. Thousand. NATO soldiers = 1 per Square Mile to do what? Kosovo.

[Stealth_Chopper]

"NATO announced on Tuesday that it would be sending 700 troops to bolster the force in the area. KFOR currently consists of almost 3,800 troops, including some 350 from Turkey."

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

US Soldiers in Kosovo have been open about being shot at by (obsensibly) Serbs, so it's not too shocking.

 

[spinningmagnets]

Its been interesting to see how the nations have been aligning due to recent global politics. Russia, India, Iran, Syria have solidified ties and thrown away any pretense of neutrality...the US and NATO are clearly supplying weapons to Ukraine, it what appears to be an effort to bleed the Russian military (which I think is working).

Russia has demanded that China "help" but China only loves China, so they will sell products to Russia (including famously some horrible-quality tires for the Russian trucks trying to carry supplies to the war-front)

Turkish support for Ukraine in the form of Bayraktar drones proved to be crucial to early Ukrainian successes, and came as quite a shock to many, with the implication being that Turkiye would at the very least claim neutrality, in spite of Turkey being part of NATO.

I am no fan of Turkish president Erdogan, but perhaps he is practical enough to realize that Russia is a losing "friend" in this conflict.

The west felt that "doing business" with Russia would give Putin something to lose, and persuade them to be diplomatic instead of aggressive. Germany was buying a huge volume of cheap Russian pipeline methane, and now they have to buy LNG from international ships.

I'm surprised to hear of Serbs shooting at NATO troops. It makes no sense.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

Its been interesting to see how the nations have been aligning due to recent global politics. Russia, India, Iran, Syria have solidified ties and thrown away any pretense of neutrality...the US and NATO are clearly supplying weapons to Ukraine, it what appears to be an effort to bleed the Russian military (which I think is working).

Russia has demanded that China "help" but China only loves China, so they will sell products to Russia (including famously some horrible-quality tires for the Russian trucks trying to carry supplies to the war-front)

Turkish support for Ukraine in the form of Bayraktar drones proved to be crucial to early Ukrainian successes, and came as quite a shock to many, with the implication being that Turkiye would at the very least claim neutrality, in spite of Turkey being part of NATO.

I am no fan of Turkish president Erdogan, but perhaps he is practical enough to realize that Russia is a losing "friend" in this conflict.

The west felt that "doing business" with Russia would give Putin something to lose, and persuade them to be diplomatic instead of aggressive. Germany was buying a huge volume of cheap Russian pipeline methane, and now they have to buy LNG from international ships.

I'm surprised to hear of Serbs shooting at NATO troops. It makes no sense.

The "West" turning against Russia en' masse as a response to their aggression and invasion galvanized pretty much everyone; I feel it's genuinely become some kind of Democracy versus totalitarianism, and those nations are banding together out of mutual survival needs and little otherwise (Sans South America and Africa for a multitude of reasons, India because they always think they can play everyone off each other).

As for Serbia? They've had issues with NATO since the 90s starting with operation NOBILE ANVIL / ALLIED FORCE. Serbia has NEVER let it go that they've been stopped before, and they've always been buddy with Russia even to times before WW1. This time it's because not enough Serbs shoed up to vote their own people into office, and thus the Serbian government had to install native Albanians to keep government working which seriously angered them.

 

[Comrade]

It makes no sense.

If it's true, then I can see some fraction of Serbs being not "friendly" enough to NATO troops to want to fire a few rounds here and there. More as a provocation than an intent to kill I suspect. NATO (more specifically USA) did bomb Serbians during the Bosnian war. And NATO is fighting a proxy war with their closest ally, Russia, right now.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

NATO (more specifically USA) did bomb Serbians during the Bosnian war.

We were stopping a genocide of Albanians. Kosovo has been majority Albanian since.

And NATO is fighting a proxy war with their closest ally, Russia, right now.

... "Proxy war"?

 

[Comrade]

We were stopping a genocide of Albanians.

Let's not use that word at least until USA admits the Armenian genocide. Selectively using it is disingenuous. It was an armed conflict between Christians (Serbs) and Islamic adherents (Albanians). It is a very old conflict that goes back more than 1000 years. Most famous being the Crusades.

But, back to the point, that doesn't contradict what I said. NATO, with USA leading it, was bombing Serbians.

USA took the position of my enemy's enemy is my friend, just like they did with the mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the 80's.

Serbians remember that and still hold a grudge.

"Proxy war"?

The Russian-Ukranian war of 2022 is a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Without any quotes.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

Let's not use that word at least until USA admits the Armenian genocide.

There have sadly, been been multiple Armenian Genocides within the past century so you'll have to be specific.

Selectively using it is disingenuous.

NATO hit Serbia to prevent one after 10 years of ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia, so it really isn't.

But, back to the point, that doesn't contradict what I said. NATO, with USA leading it, was bombing Serbians.

USA took the position of my enemy's enemy is my friend, just like they did with the mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the 80's.

No, we took the position of "We can stop a Genocide" and decided to do so, since we had found other examples during the breakup of Yugoslavia.

The Russian-Ukranian war of 2022 is a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Without any quotes.

No it isn't. Russia is a wannabe imperialist power that attempted to invade and retake a neighboring country to fulfil some pretty wild fascist propaganda from Russo-centric writers like Ivan Ilyin in the 1890s-1920s. This 50 minute long video from Kraut on Youtube details and cites everything extremely well, especially the fascist ideology of Putin.
Calling it a "Proxy war" is a coping mechanism, Ukraine is kicking Russia's teeth in with NATO firepower that's 25 years old because these enemies and tactics are what they were designed for.

 

[Comrade]

No, we took the position of "We can stop a Genocide" and decided to do so

Why though? Why did NATO not interject itself into many other conflicts happening around the world before and after? There is a genocide going on in China right now that USA even verbally acknowledges.

 

[Comrade]

Russia is a wannabe imperialist power

That's a very bizarre take. The Russian Empire was the 2nd largest by land area empire until 1917, only behind the British Empire. Then it became the largest country in the world until 1991 and the only super power along with USA for much of the 20th century.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

Why though? Why did NATO not interject itself into many other conflicts happening around the world before and after? There is a genocide going on in China right now that USA even verbally acknowledges.

I'm sorry, did you seriously ask "Why stop a genocide if you can"? As for the Uyghurs there's hundreds of reasons, namely: how? We've got some good ideas about what companies use their slave labor, but how are you going to properly sanction China in a way where they have to stop? How are you going to prevent it afterwards? How do you protect them? We could with Kosovo, there's NATO bases nearby and the UN has been in the city since; but the Xinjhang providence is an arid desert with no easy access that isn't through multiple nations AND/OR over a mountain range. At best you're inflaming China, at worst you're starting a war.

That's a very bizarre take. The Russian Empire was the 2nd largest by land area empire until 1917, only behind the British Empire. Then it became the largest country in the world until 1991 and the only super power along with USA for much of the 20th century.

Why do you dudes care about land so bad? Most of the land they have isn't airable let alone accessible.
Past superpower status is what they're likely trying to recover to. The USSR never saw it's client states as equals.

 

[Comrade]

Why do you dudes care about land so bad? Most of the land they have isn't airable let alone accessible.

You dudes? Who is "us dudes"? You need to learn some basic historical facts. Russia had both more land and population at the turn of the 20th century than the British, the Germans and the French combined.

The rest of your takes are hilarious also.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

You dudes? Who is "us dudes"? You need to learn some basic historical facts. Russia had both more land and population at the turn of the 20th century than the British, the Germans and the French combined.

The rest of your takes are hilarious also.

Okay, how does the population matter? It's clearly not having much of an affect on the Economy, when Russia's GDP pre-invasion was that of Florida.
Also this thread is about Serbia.

 

[Comrade]

Okay, how does the population matter?

It was the deciding factor why Russian troops occupied Paris after Napoleon invaded. And the reason why Russian troops occupied Berlin after Hitler invaded.

Also this thread is about Serbia.

You'll never understand what is going on in Serbia now without understanding the history of the region. And not just modern history. What happened there hundreds of years ago is directly related to what is going now.

 

[CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING]

It was the deciding factor why Russian troops occupied Paris after Napoleon invaded. And the reason why Russian troops occupied Berlin after Hitler invaded.

So when you're talking population you mean for civilian pacification? Because you're post implied army size, which in the modern era of precision weaponry large army sizes don't matter as much. Quality beats quantity every time.

You'll never understand what is going on in Serbia now without understanding the history of the region. And not just modern history. What happened there hundreds of years ago is directly related to what is going now.

Okay, but I perfectly understand the Serbians refused to vote in protest, got voted out of power, and that's the crux of the current issue. That's... democracy.

 

[nicobie]

Comrade, you have picked an unfortunate username.

Carry on you two, but remember to play nice.

 

[Stealth_Chopper]

Its been interesting to see how the nations have been aligning due to recent global politics. Russia, India, Iran, Syria have solidified ties and thrown away any pretense of neutrality...the US and NATO are clearly supplying weapons to Ukraine, it what appears to be an effort to bleed the Russian military (which I think is working).

Russia has demanded that China "help" but China only loves China, so they will sell products to Russia (including famously some horrible-quality tires for the Russian trucks trying to carry supplies to the war-front)

Turkish support for Ukraine in the form of Bayraktar drones proved to be crucial to early Ukrainian successes, and came as quite a shock to many, with the implication being that Turkiye would at the very least claim neutrality, in spite of Turkey being part of NATO.

I am no fan of Turkish president Erdogan, but perhaps he is practical enough to realize that Russia is a losing "friend" in this conflict.

The west felt that "doing business" with Russia would give Putin something to lose, and persuade them to be diplomatic instead of aggressive. Germany was buying a huge volume of cheap Russian pipeline methane, and now they have to buy LNG from international ships.

I'm surprised to hear of Serbs shooting at NATO troops. It makes no sense.

Spinning magnets you have knowledge of some military activity Yes?,
Is little Rhode Island sized Kosovo itself now become a NATO base?