Hummina Shadeeba
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Are u putting those words in my mouth as well…. I didn’t say anything about anyone else and just stated what I see
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I want to reduce the no politics rule. What do you think?
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Hummina Shadeeba
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What specifically are u feeling I said that was unacceptable, if ur referring to what I wrote.
Hey. I already deleted a previous post from you that was worse than this on this thread. This is disruptive to the conversation at hand.
It doesn't sound like you took the hint. You're trying to find out what you can get away with instead.
So let me make it more clear:
I didn’t see poll results being discussed (not sure they have any bearing on the final decision) and ultimately the decision lies solely with the admins anyway, so I’m ok to just wait and see. My interest in this thread is reflected in my 2 posts, my initial question, and my interest in the final decision.
stancecoke
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From a Europe sight, it's really strange, what happens in the US at the moment.
A public discussion in a bike forum won't convert anyone. I unsubscribed from the German Pedelec Forum because there were too many right-wing hecklers there repeating the same slogans over and over again. You can't convince anyone in discussions like that with sensible arguments. Never play chess with a pigeon...
So I'm happy without politics in here.
Hummina Shadeeba
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No it’s the 2020 election that half the nation thinks trump really won. That’s what they were fed by trump nonstop since then, and he’s still going, and many news sources (many of these news sources lost in court over this misinformation).The 2016 election that was stolen from Hillary?Sharing your version of disinformation is not helping
Can We Fix 2020 Election Misinformation? : Institute for Policy Research - Northwestern University
IPR Visiting Scholar Brendan Nyhan explains that fact-checking can change minds—but only if people see it.
www.ipr.northwestern.edu
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Hummina Shadeeba
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Is it really that painful to see a political cartoon? Or is it what he said, because it seems to be true and Europeans generally are not fans of trump and quite the opposite
A Crisis in Confidence: European Public Opinion in the Trump Era
European perception of the United States has plummeted as multilateral commitments wane and international tensions rise, recent surveys show.
Please don’t put words in my mouth.
hillslayer@
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Politics is used for you to pick a side that doesn't matter. If we are not being distracted by constant infighting we might see the puppet masters. The billionaires are the problem and they love the fact that the slaves just blame each other.
stancecoke
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Is that your image of Europe? How sad.
Maybe we should start a joke thread instead. That's one of the most popular threads on the German Pedelecforum, where there's plenty to laugh about and the jokes can even be political.
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RunForTheHills
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It's painful to watch otherwise intelligent people get sucked into this nonsense. Don't feed the trolls...
Hummina Shadeeba
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I disagree and believe you need to engage with people to change their minds. It IS possible. It’s the only way and especially these days with such polarized news sources they might never have been exposed to truth.
It's looking like a joke thread already and the joke is on me for asking.
I've deleted 6 comments today and 1 yesterday and i'm pretty mad at a number of people for using this thread as an opportunity to get under each other's skin.
I told Hummina Shadeeba to stop 3 times in the span of 2 days and he has been given a 1 week ban.
I guess you can consider my naivete corrected.
So far my vote would be NO on the basis that it would be too much moderator burden since the spice level can't remain at a reasonable level. it's instead an invitation to get into trouble, like before.
I do not think running this thread much longer is advisable.
If for some reason someone thinks we should still loosen the rules, i'd like to hear that argument.
I would not like to hear any further political infighting.
I've deleted 6 comments today and 1 yesterday and i'm pretty mad at a number of people for using this thread as an opportunity to get under each other's skin.
I told Hummina Shadeeba to stop 3 times in the span of 2 days and he has been given a 1 week ban.
I guess you can consider my naivete corrected.
So far my vote would be NO on the basis that it would be too much moderator burden since the spice level can't remain at a reasonable level. it's instead an invitation to get into trouble, like before.
I do not think running this thread much longer is advisable.
If for some reason someone thinks we should still loosen the rules, i'd like to hear that argument.
I would not like to hear any further political infighting.
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I think this thread is brilliant. I'd keep it going forever, and maybe make it a sticky. I have not seen any comments or discussions regarding politics anywhere else on the forum since it was created. All of those discussions seem to be gravitating here, rather than sprinkled throughout other forum posts. Want to avoid politics, just avoid this thread, simple. Works sort of like a bug light. Just seat yourself some distance away from it, and let it do its work. A single thread that gives the people what they want, without casting the cloud over the entire forum. Just make the rule, anything goes, as long as it's in this thread. If the admins find anything outside of this thread, then it's a simple matter of moving the posts here, into the compost bin.
BlueSwordM
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Anyway, I just like talking about politics here and outside in other real life settings.
Like, politics is very important to discuss. It's just like everything in life, especially education: not knowing about politics makes you more vulnerable when stuff happens under your nose.
I just love interacting here in general
Like, politics is very important to discuss. It's just like everything in life, especially education: not knowing about politics makes you more vulnerable when stuff happens under your nose.
I just love interacting here in general
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The Toecutter
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I'm for a high level of spice simply for the fact that politics are inseparable from vehicles, among nearly every other aspect of our lives. There are people determining what transportation options are available to us and what the requirements are to have them available. Much of it is due to financial interest and profit motive. I've often seen the argument that you can go elsewhere to discuss politics, but when it comes to certain topics, I've found that that generally isn't true at all and that I have nowhere to discuss those things.
That said, I understand the moderators don't want to spend hours a day going over long political threads and addressing troublemakers, as it's unpaid work. Personally, I don't give a crap if things get too spicy, but not everyone has thick skin. As much as him and I disagreed on many things and as much of a troll as he was, I still miss the antics of Dauntless. John in CR and Chalo are also missed.
That said, I understand the moderators don't want to spend hours a day going over long political threads and addressing troublemakers, as it's unpaid work. Personally, I don't give a crap if things get too spicy, but not everyone has thick skin. As much as him and I disagreed on many things and as much of a troll as he was, I still miss the antics of Dauntless. John in CR and Chalo are also missed.
There's more than a few people here who i think can both handle their spice and also coexist with other people who believe different.
I have learned a lot about the world in the times i get into some nuanced discussion on this forum and it has been a mini-lifeline to the world.
But lately they are too hard to have with a certain type of person present.
Here's a thought.
How about we keep the existing rules for the outer forum ( eventually slackening them up after the world decides to collectively stop being nasty, if ever ).
But we open up a debate/difficult topics club that can only be seen or entered if:
- you have been here a year
- you have 250 posts
- you don't show signs of being a bad debater ( usually green or above ) / like to club other people with your opinions a lot / appear to be involved in partisan, racial, gender, nationalistic, etc internet holy wars
Then the subforum would be shown in the forums listing and clicking on it goes to a link to apply to join & see + participate.
Otherwise only a link to apply shows, and the section is hidden from the public.
If you really abuse the privilege, that right to the club can be revoked after warnings. You only get in actual trouble if you take that bad behavior to the rest of the forum.
You can also re-apply after a year if you have been thrown out.
I think AI is lately good enough to summarize a user's history with an acceptable margin of error. Members of the moderator team would read these summaries and make the final decision. I would imagine we get a dozen applications a month, so it's not a lot of work.
Since we have a hothead filter, then the additional moderation burden shouldn't be too high.
What's the crowd's thoughts on this?
I have learned a lot about the world in the times i get into some nuanced discussion on this forum and it has been a mini-lifeline to the world.
But lately they are too hard to have with a certain type of person present.
Here's a thought.
How about we keep the existing rules for the outer forum ( eventually slackening them up after the world decides to collectively stop being nasty, if ever ).
But we open up a debate/difficult topics club that can only be seen or entered if:
- you have been here a year
- you have 250 posts
- you don't show signs of being a bad debater ( usually green or above ) / like to club other people with your opinions a lot / appear to be involved in partisan, racial, gender, nationalistic, etc internet holy wars
Then the subforum would be shown in the forums listing and clicking on it goes to a link to apply to join & see + participate.
Otherwise only a link to apply shows, and the section is hidden from the public.
If you really abuse the privilege, that right to the club can be revoked after warnings. You only get in actual trouble if you take that bad behavior to the rest of the forum.
You can also re-apply after a year if you have been thrown out.
I think AI is lately good enough to summarize a user's history with an acceptable margin of error. Members of the moderator team would read these summaries and make the final decision. I would imagine we get a dozen applications a month, so it's not a lot of work.
Since we have a hothead filter, then the additional moderation burden shouldn't be too high.
What's the crowd's thoughts on this?
stancecoke
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Where will this lead? Only talking to like-minded people isn't really a political discussion. Just leave Pandora's box closed.
If a US citizen itching to discuss the current american chaos may i suggest you engage with family and friends/neighbours, if your a trump fanatic or a life long antifa devotee or anywhere in between and have lost a connection due to your current troubles thats a place to start where you could make a difference.
We have a similar problem post brexit faced with the reality, and its difficult to not hate the victims who believed and in many instances still do believe the enticing lies, While blame rests squarely on the liars who fabricated the stories and the political shills who spouted them loudly that still circulate regardless of all the de-bunking..
How can you unite a country when you cant unite families and neighbourhoods. same this end i know,,
Instigating a flame war in here wont change anyone's mind By all means type out a vent and spellcheck etc just delete when its 'out of your system' ..
We have a similar problem post brexit faced with the reality, and its difficult to not hate the victims who believed and in many instances still do believe the enticing lies, While blame rests squarely on the liars who fabricated the stories and the political shills who spouted them loudly that still circulate regardless of all the de-bunking..
How can you unite a country when you cant unite families and neighbourhoods. same this end i know,,
Instigating a flame war in here wont change anyone's mind By all means type out a vent and spellcheck etc just delete when its 'out of your system' ..
Ecyclist
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This is funny. You addressed Americans by saying "the current american chaos" and to "engage with family and friends" yet you live in the UK and your avatar is an Ukrainian flag. You better look inside your neck of the woods, fix your own problems and let Americans do what they want to do. We are in much better situation than what you represent.
The Toecutter
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I've learned a lot reading people's back and forth arguments. My family and childhood friends are dead, so I don't have them to converse with. I can't even mention certain subjects around normies in the real world because they like to go "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" and act offended, regardless of where they fall on the US political spectrum, which has an increasingly narrow Overton window in spite of all of the division. I have no partisan slant, and tend to draw hate from people regardless of their politics.
I'm not talking about similar political views here. I'm talking selecting for an ability to coexist with others and not make discussions consistently unproductive.
It's not that easy.
Families and friends networks... and third spaces have been shattered here in the states due to a series of poor quality decisions over multiple administrations. This has still yet to recover.
Governments and media worldwide are still doing a great job propagandizing people to hate each other.
The spaces online that exist for this sort of thing are either absent, have a strong partisan bias, or are a dumpster fire with no rules controlling for signal/noise ratio.
There are also lots of groups who have been silenced during the last president's term here and they are still mad about it, so that's a can of worms we get to open.
I don't know, i might be too soon on this idea.
For the record, the original decision to crack down on OTD was mine and Justin supported the idea.
This idea is controversial, so it is very important that there's widespread approval.
If not, i am happy to shelve it.
It wasn't poor quality decisions, it was intentional.
