Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases

Oh ho ho, what a surprise
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Vergen moottoripyörien toimitusaika venähti – Näin kommentoi toimitusjohtaja

Vergen uusia Donut Labin akuilla varustettuja moottoripyöriä on luvattu tuotantoon maaliskuun lopussa. Nyt yhtiön verkkosivuilla asiakasluovutusten kerrotaan tapahtuvan vasta loppuvuodesta. Kysyimme Vergen toimitusjohtajalta, joko pyörien tuotanto on myöhässä.
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The moto with the Donut supercap like battery has been delayed.

They should have given some cells to Mooch or Pajda IMO. I am so tempted to email them and ask nicely to do so.

Even if the battery pack is delayed, if they managed to get testing results anywhere near the real deal, they'd get some huge investments.
 
BlueSwordM said:
Oh ho ho, what a surprise
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Vergen moottoripyörien toimitusaika venähti – Näin kommentoi toimitusjohtaja

Vergen uusia Donut Labin akuilla varustettuja moottoripyöriä on luvattu tuotantoon maaliskuun lopussa. Nyt yhtiön verkkosivuilla asiakasluovutusten kerrotaan tapahtuvan vasta loppuvuodesta. Kysyimme Vergen toimitusjohtajalta, joko pyörien tuotanto on myöhässä.
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The moto with the Donut supercap like battery has been delayed.

They should have given some cells to Mooch or Pajda IMO. I am so tempted to email them and ask nicely to do so.

Even if the battery pack is delayed, if they managed to get testing results anywhere near the real deal, they'd get some huge investments.
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Yup, but since they don't have anything they've resorted to cold calling small investors.
 
JRP3 said:
My finger did hover over the "reserve" button for the Verge for a while but I figured I'd rather let other people take the gamble first.
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kdaVal said:
Yup, but since they don't have anything they've resorted to cold calling small investors.
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I personally want to believe that Donut actually has a proper super cap like battery with the specs that they stated, but has production issues.

Like, if I was in their place and had a legit test, I'd probably have a battery reviewer on speed dial xD.
 
German "Geladen" battery podcast also has an episode about the latest Donut reddit leaks:

This guy: Sann, Joachim makes some speculations about how the battery could be constructed. He thinks possibly a natrium carbon anode and something organic (chinons) on the cathode. Which would mean a lower cell voltage, and explain the bipolar design they have in their promo material. He is cautiously optimistic that it could be real, but of course it remains mostly speculation. I hope I got that right, just recalling from memory, because I've watched the video yesterday and have no time to check right now.

They also think that it's actually a German screen printing company behind the scenes, that has developed a process to be able to print layers that can then be stacked into those solid state cells. And they speculate that such a procedure could make a completely different current conductor layout possible, which could explain some of the extraordinary specs the battery allegedly has. Apparently the company already has multiple years of experience in printing electronics, but in the photovoltaics market.
 
adsc said:
German "Geladen" battery podcast also has an episode about the latest Donut reddit leaks:

This guy: Sann, Joachim makes some speculations about how the battery could be constructed. He thinks possibly a natrium carbon anode and something organic (chinons) on the cathode. Which would mean a lower cell voltage, and explain the bipolar design they have in their promo material. He is cautiously optimistic that it could be real, but of course it remains mostly speculation. I hope I got that right, just recalling from memory, because I've watched the video yesterday and have no time to check right now.

They also think that it's actually a German screen printing company behind the scenes, that has developed a process to be able to print layers that can then be stacked into those solid state cells. And they speculate that such a procedure could make a completely different current conductor layout possible, which could explain some of the extraordinary specs the battery allegedly has. Apparently the company already has multiple years of experience in printing electronics, but in the photovoltaics market.
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Huh, since when can sodium carbonate be used as an anode (natrium carbon)?

I hope they meant a carbon coated/carbon crosslinked sodium metal anode lmao.

The rest is possible, but greatly limits maximum energy density to around the numbers specified by Donut with high packaging density.
 
Yeah, I have no idea about battery chemistries to be honest, total layman. I also meant sodium, not natrium, but that one is on you English guys (it even has the Na as symbol god damn it). As far as I remember it, they talked about a carbon structure that is dotted with sodium or something? The video has auto translated subtitles, so I guess you could check for yourself, if you are really interested. The guy who speculates is not just some doofus, though, it's a researcher with a reputation to lose, so the stuff he suggests should at least be potentially technically feasible.
 
neptronix said:
My thoughts:
Proper datasheets + independent testing or GTFO

Way too much FUD in the battery space for ages.. it's almost as bad as AI lately
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You're right.

Instead, I just want a 21700 that I can get that uses an aluminium can instead of a steel one.

With a good aluminium alloy, or even an aluminium super alloy, it should be possible to drop the weight of the casing by a significant amount and increase thermal performance nicely.
 
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BlueSwordM said:
Instead, I just want a 21700 that I can get that uses an aluminium can instead of a steel one.
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We’ll all need laser welders, but…
UniverCell is sampling their UC21700-HE aluminum can cell soon…6Ah, 36A-rated, 330Wh/kg, 65g weight.

www.univercell.group

High-performance 21700 cylindrical cell with high energy densities, available in 2023 | UniverCell

UniverCell develops and produces high-performance cylindrical cells with innovative chemistries at scale. Highest quality made in Germany → learn how here!
www.univercell.group www.univercell.group
 
BatteryMooch said:
We’ll all need laser welders, but…
UniverCell is sampling their UC21700-HE aluminum can cell soon…6Ah, 36A-rated, 330Wh/kg, 65g weight.

www.univercell.group

High-performance 21700 cylindrical cell with high energy densities, available in 2023 | UniverCell

UniverCell develops and produces high-performance cylindrical cells with innovative chemistries at scale. Highest quality made in Germany → learn how here!
www.univercell.group www.univercell.group
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Bruh, lmaoooooooo.

How the crap did that happen? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

After 10 years, we finally have another aluminium canned 21700 cell after the original Panasonic 21700.
 
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