The true sine-wave (vectored) controller & electronics set

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

Hello all the members of the E-S forum.
We are a team of enthusiasts based in Moscow, Russia. Over year ago we established a start-up – Adaptto E-drives Lab. Ltd. - to develop e-drive systems for LEVs.
Presently, we are finalizing our first products (some of you might have read about MaxController in AndreyM build thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27911&hilit=andreyM+E+drive), namely sets of all the necessary electronics to get your vehicle going, and would like to present them to you for your evaluation and valuable feedback as well as advertise them, of course.
Once all the in-house testing is over (in around three weeks) we’ll distribute a number of pre-production prototype sets among the reputable power maniacs of the E-S for beta-testing and independent reviews.
The sets were developed with the goal of creating a complete, integrated, adjustable and reliable solution in mind.
The sets will be composed of:
1. Mini-E or Max-E controller:

2. 2,8” monochrome graphic LCD as standard or a 2,8” full colour transflective display as an option (will be available in July 2012);

*these are the early versions of the case and color display interface – the case will mostly remain the same, but the interface will graphics are revised.
3. Proprietary half-twist throttle with 6 buttons as an option (will be available in July 2012);
4. Fully adjustable BMS (option);
5. DC-DC converter (option)
Controllers major features:
 Sine wave motor power control & intelligent adapting logics higher efficiency , less heat, silent motor operation, all sorts of protection
 Very compact for the power they are pumping through
 Display to show you everything from ride statistics and “dynamics” to voltage sag on each cell (should you opt for our BMS) and allow PC-free adjustability for you to play with the settings right on spot
 Built-in wattmeter
 Fully adjustable regen, analogue (not pre-set) regen power control given you use our throttle
 Traction control
 Cruise-control
 Possibility to set range - controller will limit the power to the necessary level
 Automatic phase/halls wires combo selection = no pain with finding the right combination just make sure the +&- of the halls are connected right the rest will be done by you but electronically through the menu on the display
 Protection motor/controller overheating – there’s a thermosensor the in controller and a thermosensor port to monitor motor’s temperature and manage the power accordingly (first the display will show you an alarm warning that you are reaching a certain temperature and once it gets to high the power will be automatically limited until the motor/controller cools down)
 Square wave, and sensorless (besides sine wave (vectored) motor control modes (if halls fail -which shouldn’t happen due to overheating protection - the controller will automatically switch to sensorless mode, so you might not even notice the halls are dead until you start on a hill)
 Automatic hibernation of the system in the time you set
 Motor and battery health monitor
 Integration with BMS – you can monitor your battery or each cell, set LVC/HVC to manage your battery’s ‘life expectancy’
 Advanced controller settings:
- adjustable PWM frequency (10-30 KHz) for even better efficiency tune
- halls angle correction
- timing tune
- etc
 3 fully adjustable power modes allowing you to switch between them by a push of a button and change your power settings, including regen and speed limits
 Auxiliary devices connection bus to enable BMS or DC-DC converter control through the display
 The throttle will control the power, not the speed of the motor
 The whole set will be completely waterproof - for example, the groove where the edges of the display case parts will meet will have a layer of rubber molded in

Prototype's pic, not the best colour combo though, will post more pics of different color combos when all the prototypes arrive next week
BMS major features:
 For batteries upto 100V & 32 cells in series
 BMS will consist of the main board and auxiliary balancing boards for up to 4S6P each with standard JSTXH connectors, so no more pain with rewiring the Li-Po packs
 Adjustable overcharge/overdischarge cell cut-off voltages for use on any battery type and
 BUS interface between the BMS and controller
 LVC compatibility with most of the existing controllers
 May also be used without the controller set, but with factory presets at your request
Throttle major features:
 Will enable “analogue” regen power management by either turning the throttle away from you or by simply pulling the rear brakes lever
 Will have a kick-down to activate max power mode (even when you are in eco mode) without pushing any buttons only by turning the throttle harder
 Will have 6 ‘appointable’ buttons
DC-DC converter major features:
 input voltage 20-100V
 output voltage 10-90V
 output current 10-25 Amps depending on the input V
 voltage and current limits are adjustable through display

These products are mainly addressed to DIYers, so comments/suggestions are welcome.

[MadRhino]

Looks very good so far, all the features we'd like in a neat package.
I am looking forward for the availability, and price.

[ZOMGVTEK]

200V FET's for a 98V controller?

This sounds neat, but its looking like it might be expensive...

[andreym]

200V FET's for a 98V controller?

This sounds neat, but its looking like it might be expensive...

[full-throttle]

From what I know this will be the most advanced and integrated e-bike/e-moto controller system in its class.

Features like: tune-able hall timing, BMS integration, per-cycle current limiting, separate power and logic stages and of course sine-wave operation will be very welcomed

Can't wait to get my hands on one! Full review to follow

[kfong]

Nice setup, any pricing info?

[shock]

I'll test one out and give you an unbiased review.

[johnrobholmes]

Helluva feature list. I would add speed based throttle back in, you already have a big list and I really like that mode sometimes. Am I right to assume you really mean power based throttle, and not amperage throttle?

[mdd0127]

Sounds neat. I'd burn a controller up for you and if it doesn't smoke within a few runs.....I'd happily pay you for it!

[Kingfish]

Support for 2WD?

Send us a web link to your company.
~KF

[Arlo1]

Cool! And welcome to the forum!

[nicobie]

Doesn't LFP run a sine-wave controller on his beast of a bike?

[NeilP]

I would love to get one of the Max units to try with my 5404 / 5405 Would curtail my 148 volt plans though

[SplinterOz]

Doesn't LFP run a sine-wave controller on his beast of a bike?

I don't think so, it is a Sevcon. However he uses a Sin/Cos encoder rather than hall sensors.

[gestalt]

Looks great! I'm wondering if this would be a good match for my 5kw golden motor and a123 pouch cells. What I really like is the interface and not needing to plug in a computer to adjust settings.

Will this be able to monitor cell levels in real time through the visual display without the bms? Space and simplicity are big items on my build and am planning on doing all the balancing with the charger and battery medics. I would like to have an alarm that goes off way before any of the cells get into the danger zone.

Also, a ballpark price would be great.

[Alan B]

Looks like our wish list.

[fechter]

Looks like a very impressive feature set. It will be great to see somebody pull all that together. I just hope the price isn't a deal killer.

[Dauntless]

Just to remind you he's a hit and run spammer, darn it, no point in asking questions. Dang, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN! But it's 3D art, not a photograph. I'm guessing vaporware, darn it. Looks like he used translation software to post in English.

Perhaps a neighborhood builder will get ideas looking at this. . . .

[full-throttle]

Just to remind you he's a hit and run spammer, darn it, no point in asking questions. Dang, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN! But it's 3D art, not a photograph. I'm guessing vaporware, darn it. Looks like he used translation software to post in English.

Perhaps a neighborhood builder will get ideas looking at this. . . .

No he's not. Wanna bet?

[Kirk]

Reverse would be nice for my trike, but its not that important. Any pricing so far? Or has this become vaporware?

[sn0wchyld]

Just to remind you he's a hit and run spammer, darn it, no point in asking questions. Dang, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN! But it's 3D art, not a photograph. I'm guessing vaporware, darn it. Looks like he used translation software to post in English.

Perhaps a neighborhood builder will get ideas looking at this. . . .

No he's not. Wanna bet?

i thought he was that that russian bloke who posted some vids a while back running a HT or HS on a full suser, riding with some friends, and in one vid he blows a controller? he said at the time he was testing out a pure sine wave controller back then... guess its time to break out the 'in russia' jokes

on a more serious note, assuming FT's right and this guys genuine... this sounds like a brilliant step forward for ebikes. I'd love to see one of these powering say a rewound 80100 with plenty of volts... I just hope (pray?) that the $$ is within reach... cause this sounds like it'd be on par with, if not completely superior to a CC HV.

I'd also suggest some sort of notification if the controller does loose contact with the halls and switches to sensor-less mode, as it may not just be due to heat but due to some more serious problem (like side covers cutting into wires etc).

also the ability to select between current/voltage based throttles would be useful.

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys.
We are glad you like the features we've prepared for you.
First of all, I'd like to say that we are not "hit and run spamers" and I don't use any translation software (though English is not my native tongue, Dauntless, it's not clear how that can substantiate your statement), so if I'm not making myself clear at times, just let me know I'll try my best.
The picture of the display is indeed a screenshot of a 3D model with a picture of the interface place over it. The pictures of the real thing will be posted when the prototype display cases arrive later this week as mentioned in my previous post.
Here is a picture of the monochrome standard display PCB:

To: johnrobholmes: Yes, you are right it's a power based throttle. Regarding the to possibility to switch to speed based throttle, you want - you got it.
To: Kingfish: The controllers are already designed to work together, so you can plug one into another get your 2WD vehicle going. Later we will be offering a double Mini-E Controller in one case.
To: NeilP: The 150V version of Max-E will be tested soon, so stay tuned.
To: Kirk: Reverse is there already.
To: sn0wchyld: The controller will have a System Health Monitor, a section in the menu for you to see how your system is doing, and, of course, in case something goes wrong you'll see an appropriate message on the display.
The prices are not finalized yet, but they will be in the range below:
Mini-E set (controller and display) $400-450
Max-E set $700-750
BMS: the main board $120 and the auxiliary 4S boards $30
The first series production is planned for beginning of May, so by mid May we'll launch the sales.
The web-site is not ready yet, but it'll be up and running in a month approximately.

[sn0wchyld]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys.
We are glad you like the features we've prepared for you.
First of all, I'd like to say that we are not "hit and run spamers" and I don't use any translation software (though English is not my native tongue, Dauntless, it's not clear how that can substantiate your statement), so if I'm not making myself clear at times, just let me know I'll try my best.
The picture of the display is indeed a screenshot of a 3D model with a picture of the interface place over it. The pictures of the real thing will be posted when the prototype display cases arrive later this week as mentioned in my previous post.
Here is a picture of the monochrome standard display PCB:

To: johnrobholmes: Yes, you are right it's a power based throttle. Regarding the to possibility to switch to speed based throttle, you want - you got it.
To: Kingfish: The controllers are already designed to work together, so you can plug one into another get your 2WD vehicle going. Later we will be offering a double Mini-E Controller in one case.
To: NeilP: The 150V version of Max-E will be tested soon, so stay tuned.
To: Kirk: Reverse is there already.
To: sn0wchyld: The controller will have a System Health Monitor, a section in the menu for you to see how your system is doing, and, of course, in case something goes wrong you'll see an appropriate message on the display.
The prices are not finalized yet, but they will be in the range below:
Mini-E set (controller and display) $400-450
Max-E set $700-750
BMS: the main board $120 and the auxiliary 4S boards $30
The first series production is planned for beginning of May, so by mid May we'll launch the sales.
The web-site is not ready yet, but it'll be up and running in a month approximately.

Awww common mate that picture is clearly computer generated!!!

how big is that screen unit?
Can you reveal more details of the BMS? ie lipo compatible? max cell count etc?
Also, how much are the controllers without a screen? (for those looking at a twin motor setup).

Cheers, and all the best for the future!

ps
is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUNPORpcGk

[Miles]

First of all, I'd like to say that we are not "hit and run spamers" and I don't use any translation software (though English is not my native tongue, Dauntless, it's not clear how that can substantiate your statement), so if I'm not making myself clear at times, just let me know I'll try my best.

Don't worry - you're English is well above the average for the native speakers, here....

[gensem]

Welcome to ES, what a good surprise to have. A real controller with a killer feature set!