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new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?
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lantice13
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No not stock. there is an option though. I tried a kelly on my GNG but unfortunately the programming com port of that controller was damaged and I wasn't able to change the settings. So I said frock it and bought an em3ev infineon controller instead. That saved my whole gng build as I was able to change the settings. The kellies I believe don't have the same features but rather have the "torque mode" settings which I read should change how the controller applies the throttle.emaayan said:
lantice13
100 W
I guess pictures helps. 
rated current is battery amps and phase current is phase amps. There are ratios like 1:2.5,1:3.0, 1:1.5, 1:2. you replace the value of 1 to your battery amps number and then multiply it to the numbers of the the other side of the colon. for example, your battery amps is set at 20 amps and you want to use the 1:2.5 ratio. So it's gonna be 20*2.5=50 so your phase amps value should be 50. you now have a setting of 20amps battery and 50 amps phase. you keep doing this until you find the settings you are satisfied with. 
rated current is battery amps and phase current is phase amps. There are ratios like 1:2.5,1:3.0, 1:1.5, 1:2. you replace the value of 1 to your battery amps number and then multiply it to the numbers of the the other side of the colon. for example, your battery amps is set at 20 amps and you want to use the 1:2.5 ratio. So it's gonna be 20*2.5=50 so your phase amps value should be 50. you now have a setting of 20amps battery and 50 amps phase. you keep doing this until you find the settings you are satisfied with. Attachments
TorEddy
100 W
Me don't want big and bulky controllers.. me like Grin Phaserunner...
Something needs to be done with those e-bike controllers. So ugly, and hard to fit on a bike.
Small, waterproof controller to tuck away someplace, makes a clean looking e-bike. And of cource a usb interface.. this is 2016 goddamnit!
Something needs to be done with those e-bike controllers. So ugly, and hard to fit on a bike.
Small, waterproof controller to tuck away someplace, makes a clean looking e-bike. And of cource a usb interface.. this is 2016 goddamnit!
gman1971
10 kW
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TorEddy said:
Yeah, I wonder how good those PhaserRunners are... would consider one, but the one i have works just fine;
perhaps you could install a capacitor on the throttle output signal? since it uses voltage, putting a large cap in there will smooth down the voltage ramp up... just a thought.
G.
StinkyGoalieGuy
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I'm thinking of running this as a left side drive (single gear ratio). If I geared it down so that top speed was only 25MPH at 72volts, would it have enough torque to allow me to crawl up a 28% grade without pedaling? I would also need some pretty fine motor control to start from a stop on a hill and keep it around 10-15mph.
tomjasz
1 GW
Kinda like setting a .5K diamond in a pot metal ring....TorEddy said:
Mammalian04
100 kW
gman1971 said:
I don't think I would want to anything smoothing on the way down! Can't the Cycle Analyst smooth this out of you don't want to mess with Phase amps (which shouldn't be that hard)?
I agree on the Phase runner. If Grin produced a .XML database with properly tuned profiles for common setups, I think sales would increase (at least by the couple I would buy)!
gman1971
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Yes, you're right, the CA can limit power to the motor by adjusting throttle so you could potentially do something like that... me? haven't done it; and right now I feel its just perfect, b/c I still want my throttle snappy when I hammer it; if there is an emergency situation I don't want my throttle to be crippled...
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tomjasz
1 GW
Anyone have a motor handy to scale the motor shaft for a fellow user?
DingusMcGee
10 kW
tor eddy,
I got the cyclone 3000 kit up and insist the controller and throttle control work just fine. I guess you could spend more that half of what this kit cost on the relatively untested phaserunner that you justify only because of it small size? Well find the OEM controller on my bike. see pic.
Today I got the ebrakes both wired with TEMCo Micro Limit Switch Lever Arm Subminiature SPDT Snap Action from ebay. The left side was easy for the avid hydraulic but for the right I screwed the long arm Snap Action switch to the OEM keyed throttle. see pics
Both switches offer easy adjustment by moving the brake lever handle at its handlebar clamp.
But once I quite wearing my down jacket while riding, I will have move the controller to where it gets more cooling.
I got the cyclone 3000 kit up and insist the controller and throttle control work just fine. I guess you could spend more that half of what this kit cost on the relatively untested phaserunner that you justify only because of it small size? Well find the OEM controller on my bike. see pic.
Today I got the ebrakes both wired with TEMCo Micro Limit Switch Lever Arm Subminiature SPDT Snap Action from ebay. The left side was easy for the avid hydraulic but for the right I screwed the long arm Snap Action switch to the OEM keyed throttle. see pics
Both switches offer easy adjustment by moving the brake lever handle at its handlebar clamp.
But once I quite wearing my down jacket while riding, I will have move the controller to where it gets more cooling.
lantice13
100 W
LOL well how much is that phase runner compared to a regular ol 12fet infineon controller? Phaserunner runs at $295 and around $95 for a 12 fet infineon or cheaper which ever Chinese vendor you get it from. Hiding your wiring and getting controllers mounted and hidden in a nice manner is part any custom DIY build. if you need it to look OEM bike and cant figure out how to properly integrate your wiring harness and controller then get a bafang BBS-HD with an internal controller.TorEddy said:
I've tried the CA v3 throttle tamer on a high powered dual motor MAC geared hubs. for some reason the throttle have this delay which softens up your throttle ramp up but also delays the throttle ramp down.... so if you throttle down, there is a delay with cutting the throttle. I don't know if I want to deal with all of that while I'm on my own bike. But anyway, bottom line is, you need a programmable controller for these kind of mid drives, it doesn't matter which one you get as long as you can tune it.
tomjasz
1 GW
Anyone?tomjasz said:
TorEddy
100 W
lantice13 said:LOL well how much is that phase runner compared to a regular ol 12fet infineon controller? Phaserunner runs at $295 and around $95 for a 12 fet infineon or cheaper which ever Chinese vendor you get it from. Hiding your wiring and getting controllers mounted and hidden in a nice manner is part any custom DIY build. if you need it to look OEM bike and cant figure out how to properly integrate your wiring harness and controller then get a bafang BBS-HD with an internal controller.TorEddy said:
I've tried the CA v3 throttle tamer on a high powered dual motor MAC geared hubs. for some reason the throttle have this delay which softens up your throttle ramp up but also delays the throttle ramp down.... so if you throttle down, there is a delay with cutting the throttle. I don't know if I want to deal with all of that while I'm on my own bike. But anyway, bottom line is, you need a programmable controller for these kind of mid drives, it doesn't matter which one you get as long as you can tune it.
I guess most people prefer the OEM look, and thats probably why the Bafang's are so popular.
I agree some of the fun with a DIY build, is the challenge to make it neat and tidy, and that's also why i appreciate that someone is making a smaller and nicer controller. It being waterproof and small, makes it possible to install on the inside or outside of the bottom bracket sheets of the Cyclone.
The BBSHD is a great contender, especially if the controller could be reprogrammed to say 40 amps.. And who can argue with the stealthiness of an integrated controller.
My trouble is making it fit on a AM / Enduro frame like below (or similar downtube), without the motor pointing straight down.
Thats where the Cyclone 3000w comes to play, with the possibility to adjust the motor-to-BB length with custom sheets.
If you pay top $ for a nice bike, motor and batteries, the 200$ extra for a quality controller isn't gonna break the budget.
I agree you need a programmable controller without having to use a CA3 to adjust the motor response.
When it comes to wires on a e-bike, less is more!
lantice13
100 W
that bike frame.... you sure it uses the old English threaded bb standard coz that's the only thing that a Cyclone, GNG and others like it can use. if this is a press fit , the bafang bbs02-hd might be the only one that can work. but someone mentioned before that some bikes with a bb30 has a narrower middle section that the bb shaft of the bbs02-hd might not be able to pass through. better check your clearances.TorEddy said:lantice13 said:LOL well how much is that phase runner compared to a regular ol 12fet infineon controller? Phaserunner runs at $295 and around $95 for a 12 fet infineon or cheaper which ever Chinese vendor you get it from. Hiding your wiring and getting controllers mounted and hidden in a nice manner is part any custom DIY build. if you need it to look OEM bike and cant figure out how to properly integrate your wiring harness and controller then get a bafang BBS-HD with an internal controller.TorEddy said:
I've tried the CA v3 throttle tamer on a high powered dual motor MAC geared hubs. for some reason the throttle have this delay which softens up your throttle ramp up but also delays the throttle ramp down.... so if you throttle down, there is a delay with cutting the throttle. I don't know if I want to deal with all of that while I'm on my own bike. But anyway, bottom line is, you need a programmable controller for these kind of mid drives, it doesn't matter which one you get as long as you can tune it.
I guess most people prefer the OEM look, and thats probably why the Bafang's are so popular.
I agree some of the fun with a DIY build, is the challenge to make it neat and tidy, and that's also why i appreciate that someone is making a smaller and nicer controller. It being waterproof and small, makes it possible to install on the inside or outside of the bottom bracket sheets of the Cyclone.
The BBSHD is a great contender, especially if the controller could be reprogrammed to say 40 amps.. And who can argue with the stealthiness of an integrated controller.
My trouble is making it fit on a AM / Enduro frame like below (or similar downtube), without the motor pointing straight down.
Thats where the Cyclone 3000w comes to play, with the possibility to adjust the motor-to-BB length with custom sheets.
If you pay top $ for a nice bike, motor and batteries, the 200$ extra for a quality controller isn't gonna break the budget.
I agree you need a programmable controller without having to use a CA3 to adjust the motor response.
When it comes to wires on a e-bike, less is more!
DingusMcGee
10 kW
tomjasz,
0.787 inches diameter measuring inside of small motor pulley. Probablely 20 mm.
0.787 inches diameter measuring inside of small motor pulley. Probablely 20 mm.
markz
100 TW
I must have missed Cyclones options, I never really liked their cheesy amateur website design. Not bad pricing now that I am looking at it. Including the batteries, the shipping is outrageous. $550 for their highest powered setup! OUCH!!!!
lantice13
100 W
If you live within North America, just buy it from Lunacycles http://lunacycle.com/motors/mid-drive-kits/cyclone-mid-drive/cyclone-mid-drive-3000-watt-planetary/markz said:
markz
100 TW
I didnt realize Luna sold 8kw and 10kw setups. 120Acont.
And if you just want the motor and its planetary gear box alone and are going to get/make your own mounting plates and use your own choice of controller then Sick Bike Parts is selling just the motor head alone and they are a U.S. domestic seller.
http://www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=224
http://www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=224
Leebolectric
1 kW
I've heard of metal replacement gears for the planetary...
...anyone find a good source for metal gears?
...good source for replacement nylon gears?
Best possible grease?
I don't care about noise, I want max durability and power transfer.
...anyone find a good source for metal gears?
...good source for replacement nylon gears?
Best possible grease?
I don't care about noise, I want max durability and power transfer.
@ emaayan
I don't get the banana reference.
As to the gearbox question, I have looked for a long time for a good source of gearboxes myself and have yet to find anything that provided the level of quality, selection, and reasonable price I want without having to order them in truck load quantities. "Battle Robot" gearboxes are about as good as it gets for just buying a single gearbox or two at a half way reasonable price unless you get lucky on ebay or have your own machine shop. The "Battle Robot" gearboxes are sold at various places around the net and are strong and compact but unfortunately are a little high priced in my opinion considering they are not fully bearing supported and at least the planets if not the main shafts as well run in bushings rather then true bearings.
@ Leebolectric
As to what grease to use, here is some reading that might be educational along those lines:
http://electric-fatbike.com/2015/11...stery-of-the-nylon-gear-failure-on-the-bbs02/
Not directly about the drive under discussion but very relevant what he has to say about not all greases being safe for use with plastic gears.
I don't get the banana reference.
As to the gearbox question, I have looked for a long time for a good source of gearboxes myself and have yet to find anything that provided the level of quality, selection, and reasonable price I want without having to order them in truck load quantities. "Battle Robot" gearboxes are about as good as it gets for just buying a single gearbox or two at a half way reasonable price unless you get lucky on ebay or have your own machine shop. The "Battle Robot" gearboxes are sold at various places around the net and are strong and compact but unfortunately are a little high priced in my opinion considering they are not fully bearing supported and at least the planets if not the main shafts as well run in bushings rather then true bearings.
@ Leebolectric
As to what grease to use, here is some reading that might be educational along those lines:
http://electric-fatbike.com/2015/11...stery-of-the-nylon-gear-failure-on-the-bbs02/
Not directly about the drive under discussion but very relevant what he has to say about not all greases being safe for use with plastic gears.
