NYX / QS-205 / Max-E

[robohead]

I'm having the guys over at NYX put together a new e-bike for me. The parts list is mostly based on known working configurations with some adaptations for the things I'm after.

I have a 2012 Stealth bomber that's treated me pretty good these past years and I want to be able to interchange parts if the need arises.
Hopefully I'll be taking shipment around late March to early Apr. I'm thinking the power should be around 12kW well over twice what the bomber was doing while weighing less.

Pictures will be added as they become available.

Frame: NYX Carbon Fiber
Controller: Adaptto Max-E 14kW
Motor: QS 205 / 50H V3
Battery: 72V 20AH EIG Cells rated @ 200A
Charger: EATON 1800W PSU
Breaks: Hope Tech 3 V4
Tire: Duro Razorbacks
Wheel Size: 24inch
Rims: undecided
Forks: Manitou Dorado Pro
Rear Suspension: DNM RCP2
Crankset: Schlumpf
Handlebars: Spank Spoon 785
FrontHub: Dual Disc 20mm axle hub
Throttle: T-HTwist

http://adaptto.com/Products/Controllers/
http://www.hopetech.com/product/tech-3-v4/
http://www.manitoumtb.com/products/forks/dorado/
http://spank-ind.com/products/handlebar/spoon-785-bar
http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/throttles/t-htwist.html

 

[robohead]

Not being happy with any of the MTB rim choices and spoke size options to handle the beefy QS205, I'm opting to go for scooter rims and tires that we see in many of the NYX photos. This will add some more weight, but should add stability at speed.

 

[brumbrum]

I would opt for a 17" moto rim and a 3.00" tyre. I presume this bike is for off-roading? 1.6" wide rim at least for 3.00" tyre, preferably 1.85".

The overall diameter with tyre on will be a little over 23". More initial acceleration and less heat build up than a 19" moto rim.

 

[NYXBikes]

***Build update***

Your Carbon fiber monocoque is molded and machined. We are waiting for the aluminum bushing to be done before sending to anodization to get a nice blue color. Once it is done, we will assemble all the frame.
We will also send all the remaining aluminum parts to the paint shop to get a black powder coating.
Schlumpf crank set was order at the beginning of month and will arrive on March 7th.
Adaptto controller 14kw have been order directly from adaptto and should arrive next week.
Battery packs are done and ready to go and all the wire harnesses too.
All the bike parts have been ordered and should arrive soon.
Tires and rims should arrive this week.

By the way, Chris, I highly suggest that you go on our facebook page on friday, you will see a qs motor, with a 14kw adaptto, on a NYX E-Bike going at 170kmh (unloaded). You will also hear the excitation from one of our customer. We built him 2 Ebikes that are really similar to the one you will have (except that he got a gold version instead of a blue one)

Thank you for your confidence.
C.Baker

 

[brumbrum]

Exciting stuff, this bike will be an absolute blast. 8)

 

[robohead]

We will also send all the remaining aluminum parts to the paint shop to get a black powder coating.

No reason to not get blue where we can on any Al based parts. Like the NYX logo in the front

Any chance to just send the swingarm out with the other parts to be blue anodized vs black paint?

I highly suggest that you go on our facebook page on friday, you will see a qs motor, with a 14kw adaptto, on a NYX E-Bike going at 170kmh (unloaded). You will also hear the excitation from one of our customer.
Thank you for your confidence.
C.Baker

My jaw just dropped to the floor, and I'm trying to pick it up.

I follow NYX on FB. I did not see any videos recently. Just booth announcements and somebody named Daniel which lent you a bike. I assume he is probably one our beloved members here on E-S.

Thanks for the update Cedrick!

 

[robohead]

We will also send all the remaining aluminum parts to the paint shop to get a black powder coating.

..
Any chance to just send the swingarm out with the other parts to be blue anodized vs black paint?

He got back to me via email. Seems the problem with this with this is the 1st few customers they tried this with, the anodized swingarm UV faded over time from the larger surface area.

 

[NYXBikes]

We will also send all the remaining aluminum parts to the paint shop to get a black powder coating.

No reason to not get blue where we can on any Al based parts. Like the NYX logo in the front

Any chance to just send the swingarm out with the other parts to be blue anodized vs black paint?

I highly suggest that you go on our facebook page on friday, you will see a qs motor, with a 14kw adaptto, on a NYX E-Bike going at 170kmh (unloaded). You will also hear the excitation from one of our customer.
Thank you for your confidence.
C.Baker

My jaw just dropped to the floor, and I'm trying to pick it up.

I follow NYX on FB. I did not see any videos recently. Just booth announcements and somebody named Daniel which lent you a bike. I assume he is probably one our beloved members here on E-S.

Thanks for the update Cedrick!

Glad you are happy ! You will see the video on friday. We are also preparing a bunch of videos to help people build their E-Bikes (assembly tips, how to use the adaptto controller, etc.) Our goal is not only grow our company, but the Electric Bike passion itself

 

[robohead]

Killing me! NYX posted a vid to Facebook but not Youtube. I had to download it and re-upload it so it can be shared here.

I hope my bike gets the same fine tuning done on it as well. I'm so excited, I can't wait to be riding my own.


***NSFW : Electric Bike Porn***
This is not a jet engine, this is simply a QS motor 205, an Adaptto Max-e 14kW controller, 74V20Ah EIG C020 battery pack and a NYX E-Bike, going at a speed of 170km/h (unloaded)
[youtube]-Oc0sTa3Lsc[/youtube]

 

[NYXBikes]

Killing me! NYX posted a vid to Facebook but not Youtube. I had to download it and re-upload it so it can be shared here.

I hope my bike gets the same fine tuning done on it as well. I'm so excited, I can't wait to be riding my own.


Chris, you will get the exact same hub motor, rim size, tires, batteries and controller. So yes, you can expect same performance

***NSFW : Electric Bike Porn***
This is not a jet engine, this is simply a QS motor 205, an Adaptto Max-e 14kW controller, 74V20Ah EIG C020 battery pack and a NYX E-Bike, going at a speed of 170km/h (unloaded)
[youtube]-Oc0sTa3Lsc[/youtube]

 

[brumbrum]

What turn count and kv is the qs205 in the video? Anyone know?

 

[madin88]

I think that could be doctorbass we here talking in the vid truly an insane setup.
for the turn count i believe it's the 3T because this is the fastest winding option QS offers so i think it's such motor and it would not make sense to push slower motor to 170kmh with highest field weakening because it kills efficiency..

 

[bigbore]

I'm having the guys over at NYX put together a new e-bike for me. The parts list is mostly based on known working configurations with some adaptations for the things I'm after.

I have a 2012 Stealth bomber that's treated me pretty good these past years and I want to be able to interchange parts if the need arises.
Hopefully I'll be taking shipment around late March to early Apr. I'm thinking the power should be around 12kW well over twice what the bomber was doing while weighing less.

Pictures will be added as they become available.

Frame: NYX Carbon Fiber
Controller: Adaptto Max-E 14kW
Motor: QS 205 / 50H V3
Battery: 72V 20AH EIG Cells rated @ 200A
Charger: EATON 1800W PSU
Breaks: Hope Tech 3 V4
Tire: Duro Razorbacks
Wheel Size: 24inch
Rims: undecided
Forks: Manitou Dorado Pro
Rear Suspension: DNM RCP2
Crankset: Schlumpf
Handlebars: Spank Spoon 785
FrontHub: Dual Disc 20mm axle hub
Throttle: T-HTwist

http://adaptto.com/Products/Controllers/
http://www.hopetech.com/product/tech-3-v4/
http://www.manitoumtb.com/products/forks/dorado/
http://spank-ind.com/products/handlebar/spoon-785-bar
http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/throttles/t-htwist.html

Is your motor this one?
QS 3000W 205 (50H) E-bike Spoke Extra/V3 Type Hub Motor
http://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/QS-3000W-205-50H-E-bike_60244187355.html?spm=a2700.7724857.29.44.22bNbu

 

[NYXBikes]

QS MOTOR 3000W 305 (50H) V3

50mm magnet height
16 poles pairs
9.03KV (650RPM at 72V)
THERMIC PROBE: KTY83/122

 

[bigbore]

The question is the following:
Is it the Extra/V3? Meaning extra copper fill with deeper stator teeth.
This is a extra v3:

 

[robohead]

The question is the following:
Is it the Extra/V3? Meaning extra copper fill with deeper stator teeth.
This is a extra v3:

Looking at the parts list, I don't think we explicitly ordered the V3 with the "extra" copper fill.

 

[brumbrum]

As far as i know, from reading vito's entries on the QS motor thread, they are the same thing.
The version 3 is the 'extra type'.

 

[robohead]

As far as i know, from reading vito's entries on the QS motor thread, they are the same thing.
The version 3 is the 'extra type'.

Yeah but I find this on the same site you posted from.

QS 3000W 205 (50H) Extra/V3 Type
http://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/QS-3000W-205-50H-E-bike_60244187355.html
Vs.
QS 3000W 205 (50H) V3 Type
http://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Brushless-Motor-E-bike-3000W-205_60293109819.html
However the spec sheet says for this one "Extra" so it's a bit confusing. If V3 is simply V3 then we have the same motor and you can make it work. And I hope you do because I could see using this setup on my bomber as well. So I can graduate it's motor and controller over to my oldest slowest e-bike.

I also forget where I saw it on these forums, but I read when ordering motors from QS it's advised to request they use the "D" style magnets for a few extra magic beans. Also looking at your picture vs the online ones, it looks like you indeed have more fill.

 

[bigbore]

If you want to see what you have remove the left side cover is pretty simple. While waiting for a 200mm gear puller I used a piece of metal with 2 holes and two threaded rods M6 with nuts to pull the cover off.
Reinstalling it is a bit tricky because the stator is attracted by the rotor magnets on one side.

Here it seems that Routybouty has a QS205 4T V3
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=76331#p1159087

I'm going to ask vito if he can tell us something about these V3 versions

 

[brumbrum]

They use the same stock photo of the v1,2 and 3 for all of their ebike motors from 500w to 8000w :?

So who knows what you're gonna get

 

[soaresdacosta]

This is another building league.
Very nice componentes. You need to put some pictures.

Luís.

 

[brumbrum]

This is another building league.
Very nice componentes. You need to put some pictures.

Luís.

I think it is currently being built oit in Canada by NYX

 

[robohead]

This is another building league.
Very nice componentes. You need to put some pictures.

Luís.

I think it is currently being built oit in Canada by NYX

Indeed. Schlumpf Drive is still about a week out from delivery. Alum parts should be out getting painted and or anodized at this point. Best pics that NYX could provide at this point, would probably be a pile of parts sitting in a corner. I did let Cedrick(of NYX) know that I was interested in seeing the motor mounted. Seems lots of people are having problems with the phase wires coming out of this motor. For sure not a problem I'd want to deal with on my own. Thankfully it's a problem they solved already w/o direct motor modifications.

one thing I did not know originally was the max-e can handle variable regen. I think I pretty much requested thumb push regen. But now I'm thinking that a left hand half twist throttle might make a nice variable regen because there is no shiftier there. Anybody have experience with variable regen on the max-e, if so what do you think?

 

[brumbrum]

A mate of mine on here 'Jonboy' uses a hall sensor and magnet attached to the rear brake lever on the handle bar, i tried it out on sunday and it feels very natural and progressive like normal brake behaviour, i was very very impressed.
He just took apart a hall throttle and wired the sensor onto the regen cable afaik. Having the rear brake on the left hand side of course. Try pm'ing him if you are interested.

 

[robohead]

A mate of mine on here 'Jonboy' uses a hall sensor and magnet attached to the rear brake lever on the handle bar, i tried it out on sunday and it feels very natural and progressive like normal brake behaviour, i was very very impressed.
He just took apart a hall throttle and wired the sensor onto the regen cable afaik. Having the rear brake on the left hand side of course. Try pm'ing him if you are interested.

That's cool, I however I did not want the breaks directly tied to regen. On big hills the regen is helpful but you don't always want use break pads at the same time. So independent systems is my route. But the concept is mostly the same. So I might reach out later to probe about the min/max regen settings JB is using. I found a few left hand thumb throttles last night for cheap ($6-$7 bucks) that might work pretty well and would probably be safer vs a full twist throttle.

-cheers