Seattle WA "possibly expand into electric bicycles"

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Seen here:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/poli...es-to-buy-failing-bicycle-sharing-6889850.php

Launched in October of 2014, the Pronto! bike sharing program was weeks from insolvency due to lack of ridership and revenue. The Seattle City Council stepped in Monday, voting 7-2 to spend $1.4 million taxpayer dollars to buy bike stations and other assets. The city will now take money from a $5 million transportation fund to possibly triple the number of stations and possibly expand into electric bicycles.

The purchase of Pronto, which was due to go insolvent, came at the request of the Seattle Department of Transportation. Transportation Department Director Scott Kubly was deeply involved in bike sharing in both the public and private sectors before coming to Seattle.

SDOT boss Kubly has a big background with bicycle sharing, including work with a firm that could seek to operate the city-owned operation.

He used to work for Alta Bicycle, now renamed Motivate, which operates the Pronto program. (Kudos to The Stranger for laying out the director's career moves.)

Kubly worked for transportation departments in Washington, D.C., and Chicago. He was a member of the selection committee in Chicago that picked Alta to run the Windy City's bike share program.

Kubly left his city job and worked as Alta's director before coming to work at the Seattle Department of Transportation.

From February/last month:
Public-use bike programs in over 60 cities in Europe currently have an e-bike component, and last year China forged ahead by adding 3,000 more e-bikes to a huge fleet in Jincheng. E-bikes, or “pedelecs,” are not solely electric because it is only after the cyclist pedals a few revolutions that the electric mechanism activates to ease the ride. This is why e-bikes are also called “pedal assist.”

Seen here:
http://urbanland.uli.org/economy-markets-trends/bike-sharing-pedals-toward-fourth-global-generation/
 
Getting the masses to try an electric bike, even if its a woefully low powered one, would be a good thing. And Seattle is a town that needs electric. Lots of hills.
 
teslanv said:
Getting the masses to try an electric bike, even if its a woefully low powered one, would be a good thing. And Seattle is a town that needs electric. Lots of hills.

Hehe... City of Barcelona, Spain? (Seaside town, not many hills on their coastal plane):
http://www.rudi.net/node/65429

... launched their "Motit" scheme in 2014 (wonder how THAT's doing?) using electric scooters that can travel at 40mph for up to 40 miles on a charge.
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(Looks hard to pedal.)
 
"‘It’s not lipstick on a pig’: City shows off new electric bikes"
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...pig-city-shows-off-new-electric-pronto-bikes/

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The bikes tested Tuesday are bulky and heavy. But the zippy electric motors that add an automatic boost as the pedals rotate made for a surprisingly nimble and fun ride.

At times it felt less like cycling and more like riding a scooter through the streets of a European city — just without the picturesque cobblestones and high-fashion sex appeal.

(Apparently "bad" to lust after ebikes.)

Riders must carry momentum when tackling Seattle’s steepest hills — the bikes were too heavy to fight their way up one of Denny Way’s steepest slopes from a standstill — but with the e-assist engaged, the Bewegen hit about 10 mph on a hill rarely tackled by the heartiest of bike commuters.

Sure. Test it up a hill that almost nobuddy rides up...

The bikes also have technology that would allow them to be unlocked by phone or anything with an RFID chip, like a fob or credit card.

He said integrating ORCA commuter cards into the new system would be key to its success. That’s something Pronto’s leaders long sought but never achieved.

8)

Interesting news about ebike-share in Portland...
 
Madrid's city bike share bikes are electric, probably pedal assist only. The bike share bikes we saw in Barcelona, in June 2016, were not electric assist. Barcelona does have hills, Parc Guell and Montjuic are formidable hilly.

One thing, a big thing too, is this: Is ebike money available from the users? The $9,000,000,000,000. Obama debt is $30,000. for every man, woman and child in America. Repayment, at 50% overhead, a reasonable number considering the corruption and silly, foolishness in government, will be $60,000. per person. A single mom, with three children, thus faces $240,000 Obama debt repayment obligation. A husband and wife with three children have a repayment obligation of $300,000 for their share of the Obama debt. If the single mother with three children can't pay her families debt, or refuses to pay it, and the husband and wife have to pay it, in addition to their own families debt, they have to repay $540,000, at 50% overhead, for both families. Yikes.

Point is this: elected and appointed officials must be forced to pay any and all monetary losses that non essential programs, would otherwise pass on to tax payers. This is fair, just and equitable.
 
Hehe... That Barcelona article I linked to was from 2013. At that time it was a "trial run that includes 50 all-electric scooters"...

Interesting enough... or not... can't find any more recent reports from Barcelona. But from Milan in April this year (Giggle Translation)
He should land in Milan the electric scooter sharing of Motit. The Spanish motor which for years has been successful in Barcelona and Paris is ready for the streets of the city of Milan
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I wouldn't go with national or state finances/budgets, but ask any city folks exactly how much money they might like to save vs owning and operating any (large, heavy, expensive) vehicles for personal use.

:wink:

EDIT: ... and local to me, just financing the purchase of one new "ebike" works out to a monthly payment about HALF of the cost of a monthly pass for pubic transport.
 
Post Script (for any Romans reading this, I guess...), the city local to me dithering about how to spend and save money on transportation for the pubic:
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/08/07/ttc-needs-more-revenue-not-massive-cuts.html

Were I King of this berg? Our local transit service (quite used to operating and maintaining electric vehicles as (crowded) streetcars and subways) would be buying TONS of ebikes/etrikes to "give away" to its citizens. The saving alone in annual personnel costs to operate and maintain...
 
MikeSSS said:
Madrid's city bike share bikes are electric, probably pedal assist only. The bike share bikes we saw in Barcelona, in June 2016, were not electric assist. Barcelona does have hills, Parc Guell and Montjuic are formidable hilly.

One thing, a big thing too, is this: Is ebike money available from the users? The $9,000,000,000,000. Obama debt is $30,000. for every man, woman and child in America. Repayment, at 50% overhead, a reasonable number considering the corruption and silly, foolishness in government, will be $60,000. per person. A single mom, with three children, thus faces $240,000 Obama debt repayment obligation. A husband and wife with three children have a repayment obligation of $300,000 for their share of the Obama debt. If the single mother with three children can't pay her families debt, or refuses to pay it, and the husband and wife have to pay it, in addition to their own families debt, they have to repay $540,000, at 50% overhead, for both families. Yikes.

Point is this: elected and appointed officials must be forced to pay any and all monetary losses that non essential programs, would otherwise pass on to tax payers. This is fair, just and equitable.

You do understand the difference between home economics and national finance, right? Because from your example it sure seems like you think the two are the same or even similar....... :roll:
 
Lessee... USA pop about 320+ million folks (in 2014).
Average annual cost of car ownership... say $10,000... conservatively...
Say 253+ million cars and trucks on US roads...

"Ballpark" maybe $2,530,000,000,000 PER YEAR.
Versus..............$9,000,000,000,000 "Obama debt"

(Have to check how much USA folks spend on toys every year.)

The U.S. recreational boating market had an estimated retail value of over 35 billion U.S. dollars in 2014.

Fun with numbers!

;)
 
Hehe... City of Toronto just hired away the former deputy director of Seattle’s department of transportation, to start as the new general manager of transportation for Toronto in early December.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toront...ttle-planner-as-new-transportation-chief.html

(Local bike folks trying to figure out whether that's a "good" thing or a "bad" thing...) Anybuddy from Seattle know whether she quit (or was bribed or was forced out... etc) to make this move?
 
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(Letter to Ed:)
"Seattle bike-rental program: Give it up already"
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...attle-bike-rental-program-give-it-up-already/

I was astounded to see that Seattle is considering electric bikes to replace Pronto [“ ‘It’s not lipstick on a pig’: City shows off new electric bikes,” seattletimes.com, Nov. 2]. Give it up, Seattle. The bikes are just not something our city is going to use.

My husband and I bike throughout the year; we love to bike. We also stay in Seattle for a weekend a few times for a mini get away. We would never consider renting a bike in Seattle: traffic, rain, hills, location.

The reason that the bikes have not been successful is because our city is just not designed for pleasure riding. With all other needs, why do we continue to push bikes? Please would someone have the courage to say, “Enough is enough.” Drop the bikes and put money for other issues.

Wendy Wands, Woodinville

Clearly written by someone in good shape... who has nEVer EVen tried an assist. Anybuddy here for "pleasure" riding? Some may prefer getting to work without needing a change of clothes... and a snack... and a nap. Going grocery shopping, visiting friends... long list... but in truth it IS a lot of "pleasure"... travel as entertainment.

;)
 
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"Seattle council studies changes that would adjust mayor’s budget"
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...udies-changes-that-would-swell-mayors-budget/

Includes:
Shut down Seattle’s existing bike-share system.

...and:
One of just a few potential cuts would reduce funding for the Pronto bike-share system by $300,000 in 2017 and $600,000 in 2018, resulting in a shutdown of the existing system soon.

Transportation officials are working toward launching a new system with different bikes.

So possible they might go 100% electric assist?

:mrgreen:
 
https://www.prontocycleshare.com/about
Bicycles
Arcade Cycles is the urban bicycle specialist and manufactures its products for a professional customer base, as well as private individuals. Naturally oriented towards innovation, Arcade Cycles is the shaft drive bicycle leader and well placed in the electrically assisted bicycles market. From its brand new factory in La Roche-sur-Yon in the Vendée, Arcade Cycles stands out by its design innovations and its quality made in France manufacturing.

http://www.arcadecycles.eu/

Interesting... yet Seattle is still (?) talking with Quebec, Canada manufacturer Bewegen...
http://bewegen.com/news/
 
"Future of Seattle Bike-Share Remains Unclear":
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/seattle-bike-share-remains-unclear

Seattle City Council Tuesday approved amendments to Mayor Ed Murray’s 2017-2018 budget, including two related to bike-share funding. One, from Council Member Lisa Herbold, reduces Pronto’s operations funding to $300,000 — enough to run the system through the end of the first quarter of 2017. The second, from Council Member Tim Burgess, gives the City Council strict control of bike-share funding that might be spent on launching a new system. Both Herbold and Burgess voted against a $1.4 million Pronto bail-out in March.

Burgess’ budget amendment makes it clear the city council could shut down the proposed Bewegen system if it’s unhappy with the terms. In its bid to the city, Bewegen proposed installing 100 stations with 1,200 electric-assist bikes (up from Pronto’s 50 stations and 500 bikes). Dubbed “pedalecs” in the industry, the bikes have a small motor that kicks in when the rider is pedaling (as opposed to a motor that turns the wheel on its own). It essentially makes pedaling up a hill feel as easy as pedaling on flat ground, a feature that the city hopes will attract riders in hilly Seattle and draw a broader range of users.

Glass Hastings’ says SDOT has learned lessons from their experience with Pronto.

“[The Bewegen proposal] allows us to double system size at launch. We know bike-share just wasn’t big enough. It didn’t have the density. We know from other bike-share systems around the country the size and density matters.”

So size matters. Who knew?
 
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Seattle to end bike share service, sources say:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle/seattle-to-end-bike-share-service-sources-say/385930828

Starts:
SEATTLE -- Bike share is dead in Seattle.

On Friday, multiple City Hall sources said Seattle Mayor Ed Murray will announce that the city’s bike share service will end.

It's a major policy shift, and brings an abrupt end to a controversial and money draining city service.

SDOT had planned on continuing bike share with an all-electric fleet later this year, but city councilmembers, including Tim Burgess and Lisa Herbold, expressed concern about making that move.

According to those same sources, Murray will push to reallocate roughly $3 million that was budgeted for bike share to fund an extension of bike lanes on 4th Avenue and accelerate safe route-to-school projects and improve the East-West bicycle network.

:cry:
 
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(Wiki:)
As of 2006, OPB had over one million viewers throughout its region and an average of over 380,000 radio listeners each week. The part of southwestern Oregon not served by OPB is served by Jefferson Public Radio and Southern Oregon Public Television.

Seattle Bike Rental Program Shuts Down, But Portland Optimistic:
http://www.opb.org/news/article/seattle-bike-rental-program-shut-down/

Starts:
Seattle has pulled the plug on its bike rental program known as “Pronto.” City leaders said they are shifting funds to bicycle and pedestrian improvements.

But in Portland, officials said a similar bike program is off to a good start.

After two years of operation, Seattle’s bike program didn’t have enough riders. The city may switch to renting electric bikes that would be easier to use on Seattle’s hills.

Portland’s bike program is only 5 months old and could face similar problems as Seattle, but city officials project Biketown will be self-sustaining.
 
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(They say:)
All things urban, from The Atlantic.

The Four Horsemen of the Bike Share Apocalypse
("What kept Seattle’s Pronto! bike share program from thriving? Turns out it was several things."):
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2017/01/seattle-bike-share-pronto-goes-under/513575/

Begins with:
... why couldn’t it work in the Emerald City?

The answer has to do with a series of structural, political, regulatory, and geographical challenges that the city was unable to overcome. George Bernard Shaw once quipped, “The trouble with the media is that it seems unable to distinguish between the end of the world and a bicycle accident.” With that note of editorial caution, we bring to you: the Four Horsemen of the Bike Share Apocalypse.

Includes fun stuff like:
NYC has no helmet law, 38 million bike share trips & 0 deaths.
Seattle has a helmet law & 1 dead bike share system.

... and:
In Pronto!’s 2014-2015 launch year, the system of 50 stations and 500 bicycles saw 142,846 trips. In Capital Bikeshare’s 2010-2011 launch year, their system of 116 stations and 1,100 bicycles saw over 1 million rides. Membership numbers were similarly disproportionate. In its first year, Pronto! had 3,299 year-long members, while in Capital Bikeshare’s first year there were over 18,000 members.

Tom Fucoloro (who runs Seattle Bike Blog): “Honestly, the reason Pronto! died was mismanagement and politics. There's nothing wrong with the equipment; there's nothing wrong with the original plans that they had and where they were going to put the stations. It seems like it was too many cooks in the kitchen.”

... etc. [sigh]
 
> There's nothing wrong with the equipment; there's nothing wrong with the original plans....

It failed in Seattle because the bikes were barges, it rains a LOT here [9 out of 12 months], and the city is comprised of a series a small mountains loosely referred to as "hills". Bad bikes and a costly program in a bad environment. I ride almost every day here and to me the idea seemed absurd.
 
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