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  1. LightningRods

    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Very kind of you and much appreciated. I keep doing this work because I love it. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I am imagining it. 😁
  3. LightningRods

    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Here is the dyno sheet on the XXL, kindly provided by Greg at High Voltage Kits. The kv of the XXL is 62 rpm/volt, the same as the XL and Big Block. The Small Block is the exception with a kv of 67 rpm/volt. I use the highest kv available from the factory. I tried the lower kv motors and noticed...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Chances are very good that you’ll get to see an example. I have a nice ‘66 Honda Sport 90 that I plan to put this combination on. Dyno tests have shown that the XXL puts out 50 ft lbs and 18kW. Vad’s NextGen should push even more watts through the XXL thanks to higher voltage. Since my S90 had...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Thanks for the corrections Vad. I’ve heard that FOC does great things with IPM motors. This should be a match made in Heaven. I appreciate your excellent support and hands on expertise Vad.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    High Voltage Kits produces complete plug and play ASI controller kits for my motors. The ASI controllers are very advanced but are notoriously difficult to set up properly. Greg at HV has dyno tuned the ASIs to run perfectly and made a dedicated wire loom. (greg@highvoltagekits.com) A new...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    The important feature is the internal magnets. My original motors had external magnets that would come loose above 7,000 rpm. The SurRon motors have the same issue. The new IPM motors have the magnets buried in the rotor.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Only in their design. If you mean is each armature run on a balancing machine and fractions of a gram removed, no. They run smooth up to 10,000 rpm. Beyond that I can’t say.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Nominal. I’d like to try 30S with the IPM motors. A customer ran the old external magnet motor at 130V. It did fine until a magnet came loose. The IPMs won’t have that issue.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    My ratings are more realistic. I’m going to put an XXL in a ‘66 Honda Sport 90. It’s a great motor for a light motorcycle. It is different from my three smaller motors. It has a heftier axle, bigger bearings and is slightly larger in diameter. A customer powered a 1/2 scale car with it. It’s quick!
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    The Cyclone 3kW and 6kW motors are internally nearly identical to my original ‘small block’ motors of 2012. They have magnets mounted on the exterior of the armature and run the phase and hall wires through the same sheath. The Cyclone motors are decent motors but only work well with square wave...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Thanks for the tip. Narrow/wide was my point. I’m just familiar with Wolfs Tooth and had good results with them. The biggest advantage to a 1x system is that you can run a single speed front chainring. Chainrings designed for easy shifting have overall short teeth, sections of even shorter ramp...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I can’t imagine why you’d need more than nine gears. I haven’t sold dual chainrings in many years. I’d recommend a Wolf Tooth ‘Drop Stop’ front chainring in a 1x9. Your chain drop issues have nothing to do with the mid drive. It’s 100% the interaction between the front chainring and chain. Most...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I’d definitely go for a wide ratio 1x.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I got swamped with PMs and emails yesterday. I also finished and shipped several orders. I can't always get back to inquiries same day. If I don't respond within a couple of days the message probably got buried or there was a problem with delivery.
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    The SurRon is a small off road electric motorcycle. If that's what you want it's hard to beat for price. Personally I'd buy a Honda CR with a blown motor and have much better quality everything for less money. The SurRon has become a club. If you like joining clubs and being part of the crowd...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    The Cyclone 3000/6000 are virtually identical to my old external magnet “small block” with an added planetary gear box. The big block is twice the motor that the small block is, both in terms of the factory rating and my own much higher real world observations. My present motors are also IPMs...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I’ve heard that Chris King freehubs are some of the strongest
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    That’s a whopper! The actual issue with huge driven sprockets or pulleys is that they open up the angle of the chain at the driver and disengage teeth. This is more of a problem with belts than with chains. It both cases it increases the load per tooth on the driver and the chance of skipping
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    The belt drive inquiry was for belt drive for the Qulbix swingarm drive, not my belt primary bottom bracket drive. The challenge with putting a belt drive on the Qulbix swingarm drive is that it's a one stage. 219 chain is just able to give us 8:1 in one stage with a 12T driver and 96T large...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    I’m making belt drives now. PM me
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Hi Micah The side of the motor is the encoder, which I installed in my older motors so that they could run ASI and other sine wave controllers. It sends out a hall signal so the hall plug is redundant. I hope you kept the 855 and it’s harness. You need the encoder plug on the end of it. It’s...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Your memory fails you.
  24. LightningRods

    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Thanks for this info. Sounds really promising. Anything Live For Physics is excited about has to be completely insane power-wise. I got seduced by ASI because of 1) Smooth throttle response 2) Big phase grunt for single speed launch and 3) Phase weakening for extended single speed top end. The...
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    LightningRods mid drive kit

    Greg (Mr High Voltage) has been working on the tune for my motors since last August. Right as he got everything ready to go ASI went out of stock on virtually everything. They’re saying August before they have more stock. Global chip shortage, etc. Very bad timing. My Small Blocks have been...
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