2 24V batteries same as 1 36V?

josaphine30

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Hi, I asked for advice the other day on which eBike kit and battery to get, I got good advice and decided to go with em3ev 500W and 36V 20Ah Ping Battery, everything has been ordered. Only thing now is I have mocked up the battery size from wood and it's very big and wont go where I thought it would on my bike. So I was wondering if 2 24V 10Ah Ping's would be the same power and range as the 36V 20Ah, the 24V batteries are smaller and I could put them in different locations on my bike.
 
contact ping directly and discuss what you need in terms of size. he can built the pack in two pieces for you but they will be in 4S sections because that is how they preassembled the cells into groups. but try to get 15Ah minimum.
 
josaphine30 said:
So I was wondering if 2 24V 10Ah Ping's would be the same power and range as the 36V 20Ah, the 24V batteries are smaller and I could put them in different locations on my bike.

Here's how to calculate the energy contained in a battery:
24V x 10Ah = 240Wh
So 2 of the above will give you 480Wh
36V x 20Ah = 720Wh

All other things being equal (rarely in real life), the 36V 20Ah battery will get you a longer range.

Most of the time, the motor and controller dictate the voltage of the needed battery. Most combinations today are for 36V or higher.
 
josaphine30 said:
If you add the 2 24V together (48) and times that by the 2 10Ah added together (20Ah), that makes 960W, have I got this wrong?
When you add them together in series, you end up with a 48V 10Ah battery. Total energy is 480Wh
When you add them together in parallel, you end up with a 24V 20Ah battery. Same total energy, 480Wh.
 
Range and speed are inter-related. Faster speed means shorter range. And vice versa.

So you need to tell me first how fast you plan to ride. In other words, what is your expected AVERAGE speed?
 
Great.

All the numbers shown below are from this calculator http://bikecalculator.com/
It's very accurate in my experience. Relatively easy to use, so play with it if you want.

Assumptions:
200lbs = weight of rider and bike
14mph = average speed
No wind, no hill, smooth road.
80% efficiency for motor & controller.

Case #1: The motor does all the work (no assist from the rider)
Required power = 140W
Required power after motor/controller inefficiency = 140 / 0.8 = 175W
So 175Wh are needed to travel 14 miles at 14mph. Or 12.5Wh/mile.
Your battery has 480Wh, so your range will be 480/12.5 = 38.4 miles.

In the real world, there will always be some wind, some inclination on the road. So take away 10% to compensate for those. New range = 34.6 miles.
Most people don't want to use all the energy in the battery. They tend to recharge when the battery is about 90% depleted. So take away another 10%.
Final range = 31.1 miles.

Case #2: 50% assist from the rider.
You provide half the power or 70W. Normal adults usually do 100 to 150W, so 70W should be very easy.
Your range doubles to 62.2 miles.

BTW, it makes no difference whether your batteries are in parallel or in series. 14mph can be done with either voltage (24 or 48). The question is what voltage does the controller require.

Edit to add: Since you already ordered the motor and controller and they are apparently set for a 36V battery, that what you want to buy. A 36V 15Ah battery will give you 540Wh, slightly more (12%) than your two 24V batterier. Assuming of course that it would fit where you intend to. All the energy consumption rate calculations remain the same, except now you have a 12% longer range.
 
48v 15 ah ping is the same size in watt hours as 36v 20 ah. 48v 10 ah would be stretching the c rate capability of a ping pack more than I recommend. It would work, but be less likely to last for years.

But a 36v 15 ah would work fine.

Explaining it as simple as possible, 10 ah pack just has to work harder to run that size motor, but 15 ah is just big enough to work ok. The idea is to not spend a lot of time running the battery at it's maximum rate. With 15 ah, you will run most of the time at 1c discharge rate, which is known to make a ping pack last pretty good.

See if 36v 15 ah fits in your space. 36v 15 ah would give you a reliable 15 miles, at full speed, into headwind, up hills etc. By riding slow, say 18 mph, you'd have close to 30 miles range in flat no wind riding when you need it.
 
Here is a another choice, have you consider the dangerous LIPOs? 3 of these will give 37v at 15a, probably more compact and powerful than a ping.
just my thoughts.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__21378__ZIPPY_Compact_5000mAh_10S_25C_Lipo_Pack.html
 
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