(Mentioning Flirty Fishing at the coffee shop was supposed to be a little joke, but since there was a question. . . .)
Kingfish said:
Harsh. Why can't people love each other without the stigma? . . . .just sayin… KF
Oh darn, YOU I would have expected to be familiar with David Berg and the Church of God, etc. The fact is, while they made it famous, all the while producing comics for little girls to grow up reading as indoctrination that are downright SHOCKING (No, this is NOT something someone else produced to mock them, this is THEIR OWN) so many others learned from it. Flirty Fishing goes on all the time, to this day.
So I went over to a friends house a few years back, the 18 year old of the house was getting ready to go to a dance. Not at school, at 'The Rock.' (No, NOT Dwayne Johnson's house.) So I decided to tip him off about Flirty Fishing, as he'd been invited by this girl, yada yada yada. This led to me telling him my own tale of being fished in such a manner:
My senior year of college I was at the Brea Mall where I noticed this damn good looking college age girl following me around. Think Keira Knightly. I might think it a bit suspicious that such a woman notices me, right? Moreso that she seems to be absolutely glowing when I make eye contact with her. See, when you're 13 you have these fantasies that it'll be just like this, by the time you're 21 you know better.
Then again, you don't. I mean, I sure WANTED to believe, right? So I wind up heading to her house to pick her up for a date. It occurs to me this is the neighborhood of a friends girlfriend from 2 1/2 years ago. Wait a minute, this is the HOUSE of his girlfriend. (Only went there once.) Sure enough, guess who answers the door. Not that the friends' old girlfriend was half bad, but the younger sister, geez. . . .
So the older sister Vicki had been one hell of a tease, but still a well behaved Catholic girl. She had a trick of luring my friend to the house in the afternoon for a little ALONE time, but danged if the younger/then high school sister didn't keep coming home from school before there was time for, well, you know. I made the point to him that's why she had him come over at the time he did, just before high school got out. So I'm wondering how this is really going to go with Lisa. Well, let's just say she wasn't so well behaved. I don't been anything extreme, but getting in the car on the first date and she's already getting, well. . . . And wildly excited about even mentioning it.
After this experience, of course, I've learned that, automatically, something bad is in the offing. A girl like that, to an unexciting total stranger, coming on strong. I have a tough time just getting a date to be civil toward me, why would one that looked like this be going out of her way. . . ?
It didn't take long for me to find out. She wanted me to go to her little church, one I hadn't realized at that time was a cult. Vicki was going to eventually tell me that while Lisa had been going with the family to the Catholic Church, she'd also been sneaking off to the cult church. Until she was 18, when she announced what her REAL faith was. Now she was trying to lure me in.
It was after that didn't work and Lisa was then no longer talking to me that I got the chance to talk to Vickie about it all. Of course she was telling me her mom was going to be real disappointed, with the cult (Just 2 blocks from their house) she had some real loser guys hanging around acting like they ran the household. Ma was hoping I was a sign that things would be getting better. I left certain details out of what I told Vickie. I guess it was a little over a year later, I was working in a convenience store, the Mom parked the car right where I could see in it. Lisa was in hte passenger seat, refusing to come in when she saw me. The Mother was just talking and talking to me at the register, wanting me to go out and say hello to her, but I made the point if she wanted to talk to me she'd have come in.
I guess she wasn't long for the cult. Maybe a year after that I was shooting one of these bikini contest events a manufacturer was staging, so guess who one of the contestants was. Couldn't help but wonder if the cult had got her started with modeling to bring them even more money. But she made the point she'd walked away from it, ignored them as they came to the door again and again, etc. Her all around attitude was now more in line with how I expect a woman like that to behave toward me. As in she was trying to make sure I realized we weren't getting back together. Proof enough to me she'd been deprogrammed. (Sigh.)
So the boy I told this story to went to the dance anyway, but he did listen to the cues I warned him about: Either being approached with personal attention from some "Leader" that already knows his name or an announcement to the group he's there, talk of the things he's going to be doing there as though it's already decided he's coming, most important that any display of reluctance on his part will have the girl hinting at the OTHER thing he'll be missing if he doesn't come.
So he was back home before long at all. Turns out the dances start off with a church service, the leader of which calls the names of all the victims to be introduced to everyone. He found out he was already on a "List" for some future activities. And of course the girl had that 'If you don't come, you won't come' attitude. (That's as graphic as I'm willing to get, okay?) The fact that I'd been able to warn him it would happen was all it took to convince him just what a trap it was, so he left. Good job all around.
So maybe his bunch doesn't engage in the worst practices of Flirty Fishing. (aka "FFing.") She might have merely been expected to deliver a body count and then her job was done. And maybe Lisa was only expected to be more like her sister Vickie, God's Tease instead of God's Whore. Her Mother wouldn't have really been shocked at anything that happened between us, though I'm sure she'd have been disturbed that it came about so quickly. I also wonder if at 18-19 maybe Lisa was having trouble this first time fulfilling the role they'd thrust her into. If I'd gone to the church she might have felt obligated. Thinking of that makes me really glad I didn't go, I've always tried to be the good guy.
Sad thing being that, unlike Lisa, most of these girls are trapped into this by parents who fall for these cultie chuches and the daughters are then raised into this. If you want to be shocked and angered, read the comics Alan Berg's church put in the hands of grade school age girls, (Even depicting "Hookers for Jesus," their own term, suffering for the good of the church) the activities they were to engage in with the adult members to ready themselves for when they went fishing for "Recruits and for resources." (The Church needs the money, right? They did indeed do it for "Contributions.") Read actress Rose McGowan's account of being groomed by the church while growing up, until her father couldn't stand it and the family escaped, with the church hot on their heels and trying to break their door down where they were hiding. . . .
And THAT is why there will always be a stigma. Why you should always beware someone with a bible and a message, as they have such entitlement issues when it comes to preaching. Beware ANY faith based teaching. But a spaghetti church, yeah, that could work for me. With a gut like mine, I'm sure I could readily embrace food based faith. Also, if you could find me one that utilized auto racing. . . .
By the way, because the Pastafarians are a bunch of post modernists, this whole joke includes some role playing gags at flirty fishing, though of course it looks harmless. I think. . . .