Health Insurance in the USA

marty

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I am confused?
Had http://www.dfs.ny.gov/healthyny/
Pay https://www.univerahealthcare.com $151 a month for myself and $288 a month for the wife. Univera is the middle man. They take my money and give it to Healthy NY.

Been happy with this insurance. Wife goes to doctors. I do all my own medical work. The wife's plan covers everything. She pays $20 for every doctor visit. I have a $1000 deductible. Insurance company told me to get a special bank account with fees to keep the $1000 in. Told them that I got $1000 in a shoe box and will pay no fees.

About me - Self employed. Run around like a chicken with his head cut off and spend money. I make very little money. Some years I loose money. The accountant figures it all out. Wife has no job. Do have a lot of stuff, houses, cars, truck, a whole bunch of electric bicycles with dead batteries, the A2B bike works :D

Got a letter from Univera telling me that coverage will be discontinued December 31, 2013 and I should go here http://www.dfs.ny.gov/index.htm On the radio I hear about Obama Care. Google takes me here https://www.healthcare.gov/ or here http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php or here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act or 58,600,000 other web sites.

Whats going on here? Did the government figure out that there are clowns like me paying $400 or so a month for health insurance and they figured that they could use that money to finance the military?

Where to buy health insurance?
 
https://www.healthcare.gov/what-is-the-marketplace-in-my-state/#state=new-york says:

If you live in New York, New York State of Health is the Health Insurance Marketplace to serve you. Instead of HealthCare.gov, you’ll use the New York State of Health website to apply for coverage, compare plans, and enroll. Visit New York State of Health now to apply.

http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-howard/health-health-care/obamacare-guide-part-3/nZzCK/ says:

Individuals earning between $15,302 and $46,021 can qualify for a discount, as can families earning between $31,155 and $93,700. Subsidies are available up to 400% of the poverty line for individuals and families on a sliding scale based on income. Kaiser Family Foundation has a calculator where you can see if you will be eligible for health care subsidies based on family size, age, etc.

Also, this looks like a good overview:

Obamacare health care exchanges now open
http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-howard/health-health-care/obamacare-guide-part-2/nZzDf/
 
Progress report on Marty's search for low cost health insurance. Few days ago I looked at that NYS web site. Saw text with no colors or graphics and messages telling me to come back another time. Went to nystateofhealth.ny.gov again today. SEE NO PRICES! Try to register. Seems to be stuck on the first page. Got a little circle that just spins and spins and spins.

I need a little trust in whoever I send my health insurance money to. Broke web site is not doing too good. Will try hitting the X in the corner. Will delete all cookies and stuff, restart computer, and try again.

Any one here like to do paperwork? Lets have the Endless-Sphere Health Insurance Fund. Everyone pays $100 a month. First one to crash their bicycle or get sick gets all their medical bills paid. Predict that it won't be long before someone in Nigeria needs a few 100 Thousand to pay a Witch Doctor.
 
the websites are just overloaded and put in operation without fully testing them.

the guy who is helping my ex gf to remodel one of their houses had a small stroke. they called the ambulance, which carried him down the hill to town where they could land the helicopter from denver. when he was on the helicopter the nurse injected him with the streptokinase which cleared the blockage by the time the helicopter landed at the hospital in denver. he stayed overnight in the hospital and went home the next day.

total cost $42k. $1.5k for ambulance, $20k for helicopter ride, balance hospital and doctor.

he will declare bankruptcy. he has nothing. just regular guy making a living as a carpenter. he will never be able to borrow money or buy a house and won't be able to rent because of this. he could never get health care or i doubt if he could get hired in a straight business because of the stroke now.

totally nice guy. honest and hard working, life ruined in a few minutes. all because of the greedy medical system we have now. you guys in europe and the UK cannot imagine what it is like to be bankrupted because you get sick. or cannot afford to have your baby delivered.

think about him when you look at ted cruz demanding we defund obamacare or force the country to reneg on its obligations. how many of you read the NYTimes article about how the koch brothers financed this entire shutdown defund healthcare disruption that is gonna cost us tens of billions of dollars extra now on our national debt interest payments.

and they shut down the guvment so nobody can go to work but they said they will all get paid for not working. i wish someone would sue the people who did this for the damages it has done to peoples lives and our financial system. but they are all protected by some kinda congressional immunity. the only good thing is that it finally will eliminate the tea party.
 
The VA is my health care provider. I don't pay a dime (except for the years of purgatory spent in service). Self-employed, so I keep myself healthy.

End of story... I hope. :?

If not, I'll spill it here. KF
 
Making progress! After "Your session has expired. Please start the registration again." This is about as much fun as buying concert tickets.

You have successfully activated your NY.gov Id!

Please click on one of the buttons below.

Continue to EnrollmentThis is where you sign up for various NYS applications.

Go to MyNyA portal to view the NYS applications you have access to.

Yes I am a sheep. All of us sheep in NY State follow all the other sheep to the same website. Wondering if there are any other Health Insurance options for the wife and I?

Will continue with this later.
 
I think I read somewhere, that 62% of bankruptcies in the USofA are due to inability to pay medical costs.

I have to keep working, because if I got very ill or had an issue like the gentleman above, I would lose everything. the frightening thing is, is that if my wife cannot work later in life, I will not be able to retire for an additional 4 years, as I will have to keep her on my medical insurance policy where I work. I would then be 70 when I finally retired....

This REALLY sucks. I could retire now if it were not for health insurance costs. I have to wait until we can get medicare. So, thanks to for profit insurance, I have to work up to 10 more years. I will be lucky to have 5 years of decent retirement. I have worked since I was 14 years old. Punched my first time clock then, by lying about my age- said I was 16.

I also read that you spend more on medical care, the last 6 months of your life, than you do for your entire prior years.

I cannot drain our savings to fight a disease or stroke, heart attack whatever, and leave my wife destitute.
 
dnmun said:
totally nice guy. honest and hard working, life ruined in a few minutes. all because of the greedy medical system we have now. you guys in europe and the UK cannot imagine what it is like to be bankrupted because you get sick. or cannot afford to have your baby delivered.

I compair USA and Germany (EU) health system quiet a while.
And i see that the taxes in USA are very low but therefore not the best sozial system. You have to watch for your insurences yourself freely which is a big difference. But the insurences are more costly becouse not all are forced to buy it.
Here we pay an ass. 50-60% in total for taxes + the coercived healt insurance and unemployment insurance which is far from unconditional.


Than when i watch deeper in the health system itself i see you in USA have more rights in case of a doctor failure and can get real high compensation payment.
Thats totaly different to whats here. The burden of proof is on yourself and if you can get it approved in a court which is rare than you get compaired to USA a very low compensation payment.

Personaly i like neigther systems both have downsides.
 
Progress Report on nystateofhealth.ny.gov Today is Sunday.

Attention:

We apologize for the inconvenience. The Marketplace is currently undergoing regularly scheduled maintenance and system enhancements. The Marketplace will be available Monday 8am. .


If this ever works? Hope I never get sick or hurt on a weekend :|
 
look what i found. from NYTimes>>>>>>>


October 12, 2013
From the Start, Signs of Trouble at Health Portal
By ROBERT PEAR, SHARON LaFRANIERE and IAN AUSTEN.
WASHINGTON — In March, Henry Chao, the chief digital architect for the Obama administration’s new online insurance marketplace, told industry executives that he was deeply worried about the Web site’s debut. “Let’s just make sure it’s not a third-world experience,” he told them.

Two weeks after the rollout, few would say his hopes were realized.

For the past 12 days, a system costing more than $400 million and billed as a one-stop click-and-go hub for citizens seeking health insurance has thwarted the efforts of millions to simply log in. The growing national outcry has deeply embarrassed the White House, which has refused to say how many people have enrolled through the federal exchange.

Even some supporters of the Affordable Care Act worry that the flaws in the system, if not quickly fixed, could threaten the fiscal health of the insurance initiative, which depends on throngs of customers to spread the risk and keep prices low.

“These are not glitches,” said an insurance executive who has participated in many conference calls on the federal exchange. Like many people interviewed for this article, the executive spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying he did not wish to alienate the federal officials with whom he works. “The extent of the problems is pretty enormous. At the end of our calls, people say, ‘It’s awful, just awful.' ”

Interviews with two dozen contractors, current and former government officials, insurance executives and consumer advocates, as well as an examination of confidential administration documents, point to a series of missteps — financial, technical and managerial — that led to the troubles.

Politics made things worse. To avoid giving ammunition to Republicans opposed to the project, the administration put off issuing several major rules until after last November’s elections. The Republican-controlled House blocked funds. More than 30 states refused to set up their own exchanges, requiring the federal government to vastly expand its project in unexpected ways.

The stakes rose even higher when Congressional opponents forced a government shutdown in the latest fight over the health care law, which will require most Americans to have health insurance. Administration officials dug in their heels, repeatedly insisting that the project was on track despite evidence to the contrary.

Dr. Donald M. Berwick, the administrator of the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in 2010 and 2011, said the time and budgetary pressures were a constant worry. “The staff was heroic and dedicated, but we did not have enough money, and we all knew that,” he said in an interview on Friday.

Administration officials have said there is plenty of time to resolve the problems before the mid-December deadline to sign up for coverage that begins Jan. 1 and the March 31 deadline for coverage that starts later. A round-the-clock effort is under way, with the government leaning more heavily on the major contractors, including the United States subsidiary of the Montreal-based CGI Group and Booz Allen Hamilton.

One person familiar with the system’s development said that the project was now roughly 70 percent of the way toward operating properly, but that predictions varied on when the remaining 30 percent would be done. “I’ve heard as little as two weeks or as much as a couple of months,” that person said. Others warned that the fixes themselves were creating new problems, and said that the full extent of the problems might not be known because so many consumers had been stymied at the first step in the application process.

Confidential progress reports from the Health and Human Services Department show that senior officials repeatedly expressed doubts that the computer systems for the federal exchange would be ready on time, blaming delayed regulations, a lack of resources and other factors.

Deadline after deadline was missed. The biggest contractor, CGI Federal, was awarded its $94 million contract in December 2011. But the government was so slow in issuing specifications that the firm did not start writing software code until this spring, according to people familiar with the process. As late as the last week of September, officials were still changing features of the Web site, HealthCare.gov, and debating whether consumers should be required to register and create password-protected accounts before they could shop for health plans.

One highly unusual decision, reached early in the project, proved critical: the Medicare and Medicaid agency assumed the role of project quarterback, responsible for making sure each separately designed database and piece of software worked with the others, instead of assigning that task to a lead contractor.

Some people intimately involved in the project seriously doubted that the agency had the in-house capability to handle such a mammoth technical task of software engineering while simultaneously supervising 55 contractors. An internal government progress report in September 2011 identified a lack of employees “to manage the multiple activities and contractors happening concurrently” as a “major risk” to the whole project.

While some branches of the military have large software engineering departments capable of acting as the so-called system integrator, often on medium-size weapons projects, the rest of the federal government typically does not, said Stan Soloway, the president and chief executive of the Professional Services Council, which represents 350 government contractors. CGI officials have publicly said that while their company created the system’s overall software framework, the Medicare and Medicaid agency was responsible for integrating and testing all the combined components.

By early this year, people inside and outside the federal bureaucracy were raising red flags. “We foresee a train wreck,” an insurance executive working on information technology said in a February interview. “We don’t have the I.T. specifications. The level of angst in health plans is growing by leaps and bounds. The political people in the administration do not understand how far behind they are.”

The Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress, warned in June that many challenges had to be overcome before the Oct. 1 rollout.

“So much testing of the new system was so far behind schedule, I was not confident it would work well,” Richard S. Foster, who retired in January as chief actuary of the Medicare program, said in an interview last week.

But Mr. Chao’s superiors at the Department of Health and Human Services told him, in effect, that failure was not an option, according to people who have spoken with him. Nor was rolling out the system in stages or on a smaller scale, as companies like Google typically do so that problems can more easily and quietly be fixed. Former government officials say the White House, which was calling the shots, feared that any backtracking would further embolden Republican critics who were trying to repeal the health care law.

Marilyn B. Tavenner, the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, both insisted in July that the project was not in trouble. Last month, Gary M. Cohen, the federal official in charge of health insurance exchanges, promised federal legislators that on Oct. 1, “consumers will be able to go online, they’ll be able to get a determination of what tax subsidies they are eligible for, they’ll be able to see the premium net of subsidy,” and they will be able to sign up.

But just a trickle of the 14.6 million people who have visited the federal exchange so far have managed to enroll in insurance plans, according to executives of major insurance companies who receive enrollment files from the government. And some of those enrollments are marred by mistakes. Insurance executives said the government had sent some enrollment files to the wrong insurer, confusing companies that have similar names but are in different states. Other files were unusable because crucial information was missing, they said.

Many users of the federal exchange were stuck at square one. A New York Times researcher, for instance, managed to register at 6 a.m. on Oct. 1. But despite more than 40 attempts over the next 11 days, she was never able to log in. Her last attempts led her to a blank screen.

Neither Ms. Tavenner nor other agency officials would answer questions about the exchange or its performance last week.

Worried about their reputations, contractors are now publicly distancing themselves from the troubled parts of the federally run project. Eric Gundersen, the president of Development Seed, emphasized that his company had built the home page of HealthCare.gov but had nothing to do with what happened after a user hit the “Apply Now” button.

Senior executives at Oracle, a subcontractor based in California that provided identity management software used in the registration process that has frustrated so many users, defended the company’s work. “Our software is running properly,” said Deborah Hellinger, Oracle’s vice president for corporate communications. The identical software has been widely used in complex systems, she said.

The serious technical problems threaten to obscure what some see as a nationwide demonstration of a desire for more affordable health insurance. The government has been heavily promoting the HealthCare.gov site as the best source of information on health insurance. An August government e-mail said: “35 days to open enrollment.” A September e-mail followed: “5 days to open enrollment. Don’t wait another minute.”

The response was huge. Insurance companies report much higher traffic on their Web sites and many more callers to their phone lines than predicted.

That made the flawed opening all the more disappointing to supporters of the health plan, including Timothy S. Jost, a law professor and a consumer representative to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

“Even if a fix happens quickly, I remain very disappointed that the Department of Health and Human Services was not better prepared for the rollout,” he said.

Robert Pear reported from Washington, Sharon LaFraniere from New York and Ian Austen from Ottawa. Quentin Hardy contributed reporting from San Francisco, and Kitty Bennett contributed research.
 
This is just crazy - I can't believe a developed country can function like that!

I have no private health insurance (just medicare, which gets paid out of my taxes) and have had multiple surgeries (some semi-elective, some emergency) and two kids and have paid nothing. You do pay for an ambulance, so I always get driven to hospital by my wife instead :) But ambulance cover is cheap.

We go to doctors who bulk bill (they charge back to medicare) and pay nothing - you have to wait, or if you really need to see one, you pay $70, of which $35 is paid back by medicare. Most specialists will bill high, but you get at least half back on medicare (ie. urologist $140, but you get $70 back).

The only way you would get bankrupted here (and even this is a long shot) would be an airlift on a helicopter - and I think these are capped at $3K.

The Poms I think have it slightly better, they have dental that's covered by their system.
 
Frankly, I just pay cash.

Cash is so much cheaper that I am given a 15 to 20% discount by everyone in the pipeline from the Dentist to the GP to the Hospital.

Cold hard liquid cash.

Insurance is like paying Guido that you'll never be sick. Or if you are sick, then Guido will only cover a tiny part of what you paid in. The system is rigged so Insurance profits and you are left doing paperwork trying to justify why you should be compensated for a service you willingly pay for.

The average person will never fully benefit, will never receive everything they paid into the system. It's a farce. I was born into lower-middle class, and though I'm highly educated - I still feel that I'm stuck in lower middle class, except I'm debt-free which allow me to play with ebikes et al. I cannot fathom trying to raise a family on the income I make, then paying insurance - and I make a good wage relatively speaking, but it's "average" in my eyes to the potential revenue.

I guess it comes to no surprise that I don't like insurance companies. This must be the socialist part of my being coming out... I view all of us as equals in terms of Humanity: I believe we all have a right to breath good air, drink good water, eat healthy food, and have a reasonable expectation for protection against weather. It could be I'm heretical - but I have a skill, I like what I do, I like helping people, I dislike inequality - meaning I dislike people thinking I'm rich when I'm not... I'm just geeked out on information and technology. I'd offer my services for free if I could so long as I had access to good clean living and to people that like to hear a story - to share our experiences and be happy. In this ideal world, insurance is meaningless because we all would look after each other.

I pay cash to beat the system. I pay cash to avoid evil credit - cos those @#$% are total power-tripping jerks out to con you for every red cent. Credit, like insurance is a lie and you don't need it if you can live within your means, or at least have a system that provides a buffer when the time are tight, yet can refill when the feast is around.

I personally do not want to be a burden upon society. I don't want to drag my family wealth (however tiny) into unforeseen health issues, to drain the coffers dry in vain attempt to hang on for one more month of misery. When the quality of Life is such that we need machines to breathe, cycle our blood, cleanse our urine, probe my colon - well hell people, that's just no life at all. If I can't ride my bike and be free, or at least sit in a rocking chair on the porch and reminisce with the other old codgers as my star slowly fades... then what's the point of paying into a big old cog when I could be saving on my own for that raft that will take me out beyond the 25-mile limit and I can do myself out with the sharks and the sea and be done with it.

The best insurance in my book is to have an exit plan that does not include paying monies to the grubbers. To that end, I shall do my best to defy those that wish to finger my pocket - and I shall roll my own so long as I am free to do.

Amen. KF
 
i thought you said earlier that you had health insurance through the VA.

it may seem wonderful to just think you can pay cash for medical services and control how you use the medical services available.

in the case of my friend, he had a stroke and could not control his body. he was rendered speachless and immobile at the base of the ladder he was standing on.

he was put into the ambulance only because my ex gf was close by and his helper was present so he got her and she called the ambulance.

the ambulance crew could have administered the streptokinase when he presented on their arrival. they are not legally allowed to administer injections. if the law allowed it and he could have stayed there it is possible in 'the best of all possible worlds' that he might have been charged $138 for the cost of the streptokinase and $230 for the ambulance to arrive.

we do not have the best of all possible worlds. tens of thousands of people are bankrupted every year by our insane medical system, lose their homes and credit and possessions and rendered destitute without any control over it at all.
 
For what it is worth, you do not HAVE to buy insurance through the exchanges. Given all the problems they are having (and I wouldn't rule out intentional sabotage in red states), you might find it easier to go directly to the websites for the insurance companies and get several individual quotes. As a test, I checked out the blue cross blue shield website for texas. It was easy to log on and get a quote and they even calculate if you qualify for the subsidies under the affordable care act. It would be interesting to compare what kind of price you can get through the exchange and compare to what price they quote you directly from the insurer.
 
dnmun said:
i thought you said earlier that you had health insurance through the VA.
I do! I just never use it. Won't cover dental which has been the majority of my expense in the last 10 years. The last surgery I had was covered by the hex-wife's medical. Using the VA for anything causes me to hesitate only because of the Orwellian experiences I've had with them over education benefits which were doled out slower than an advancing glacier during global warming. Appendicitis? I think it would be quicker to slit my throat and move straight to interment :p

I use the VA to claim valid health insurance with hope that it will eliminate assessment of fees. I can file for basic stuff, co-pay on meds, possibly even surgeries, though in honesty - to get that benefit I'd have to travel all the way into Seattle to see the pecker-checker before an opinion is rendered which defeats the purpose if you have a fever of 105.

I agree with you 100% that our system is whacked. When a fall from a ladder could cost you your home... that's just way out of balance. Frankly I think about how every day I could get pasted by a commuter switching lanes ... like what nearly happened yesterday. Life is vicarious about the order in which we exit. Although I am grateful that the act of pedaling increases the circulation and oxygen to both the body and the brain where they react to such incursions with cat-like prowess.

Maybe what we need is to carry our Last Will and Testament upon us at all times, so in the case of a ladder fall/rendered unconscious -> Here's my instructions for life-saving treatment... as in a spending limit. I can deal with $10k... heck even $100k if I can return to being fully functional or the Quality of Life is bearable. But there is no way to know that going in. Maybe the fall introduced a Cerebral edema -> anything is possible and if I'm rendered at half capacity, well - that boat ride into the Pacific to become a Shark Listener would begin to appeal to me. :lol:

If I could no longer laugh at myself, ok - if I could no longer laugh at our ridiculous political situation - then I just think my bill has been filled and it's time to go.
No offense to anyone, and especially to Sharks.

On that note, when I die I wish to donate my fictional worth towards prosthetics for finless sharks - which in my mind is a more useful effort to put forth than any by our current bickering Congress.
~KF
 
speaking of finless sharks. i read recently that around 70 million sharks are finned each year to feed the chinese taste. the apex predator is being eliminated from the biosphere at an increasingly alarming rate. people do not understand what is happening. look what happened to the elk after they killed all the wolves.
 
The Obama care act was created by the health insurance industry and was designed to collapse the free market and employer incentives for employees.
 
wineboyrider said:
The Obama care act was created by the health insurance industry and was designed to collapse the free market and employer incentives for employees.

I was wondering when the conspiracy theorists would show up. Until now, this thread has been the most civil discussion of the topic I have seen. Usually you get people spewing all kinds of misinformation and obama-hate with the inevitable references to freedom and the constitution.
 
I was wondering when the conspiracy theorists would show up.

So unless I have insurance through a Job.....I have to buy insurance from a "for profit" insurance company.....or pay a yearly fine (oops wrong word) citizens tax on my yearly filing.


Call it anything you want. Its mandated participation to me....big insurance wins again.

who pays? My employer is seriously considering droping our health insurance benifit & letting us few fend for ourselves in the "free market".
I am about to change carreers & get a job in the insurance industry......its a growth market these days.

Unless you can show me how any of the new legislation has any negative impact on the bottom line, all things considered, its no theory.....big insurance & their political influance won big time.

The leaching, fear mongering frockers are winning.
jm2c
 
heathyoung said:
This is just crazy - I can't believe a developed country can function like that!

I have no private health insurance (just medicare, which gets paid out of my taxes) and have had multiple surgeries (some semi-elective, some emergency) and two kids and have paid nothing. You do pay for an ambulance, so I always get driven to hospital by my wife instead :) But ambulance cover is cheap.
The only way you would get bankrupted here (and even this is a long shot) would be an airlift on a helicopter - and I think these are capped at $3K.

We have almost everything free, including airlifts. Those guys can really fly, mostly in total darkness picking up somebody from middle of nowhere. Great pilots.
In 2003 i spent four months on two different hospitals, two eight-hour operations, heavy medication plus training, and it was all free. Ambulances are free, and they are pretty good on giving the first aid such as injections. Back in 2003 first thing they did for me on the scene, was a painkiller shot on my stomach. I was on horizontal position middle of the road half-conscious after hitting the lightpole at 40mph with motorcycle after a bad wheelie. My both knee joints were crushed.
Only thing that can cost you here is if you need some heavy medication long time, or even permanently, such as morphine etc. Those are only partly covered and can cost you up to a US grand per month. Old people on small pensions suffer the most because they need lots of medicines but don"t have lots of money. Old pensioners sometimes spend half of their income on medicines. Healthcare is run by the state but pharmacies are private, so they can milk the state and people. Dental care is free, you can choose between public and private care. Last year i used dentist 18 times, needed some work :mrgreen: They basically re-built my teeth again from plastic. Some people prefer private dentists, some state dentists. State dentists do not try to save on pain-medication, which is good. You get all shots you want. Private dentists sometimes try to use as little as possible.
 
Right on Wine boy and Thud. I'm in 3rd world country, and, my medicines, IF I ever get to needing any, are nearly free. Same with Drs and Hospitals. Only thing different is, we don't get screwed by big corps, YET. We can buy meds here, that require prescriptions in the SA. My Sons wife's SIL fell and hit er head right at the temple area, then, continued to the floor, breaking her nose. She was unconscious upon arriving at the hospital. She has serious dizziness, and my wife diagnosed here from down here. The DR says she has broken crystals in her ears and has to wait for them to settle down and reattach. My wife says, he full of shit and the woman needs a CAT scan that the DR never provided. This woman can EASILY have a stroke or a burst blood vessel and die. Here IF you need a private scan, it costs the equivalent of $60.00 US.
 
Before Obamacare kicked in I had SCI insurance that was partially funded by the state with reasonable coverage and small deductibles. When the exchange requirement kicked in they canceled the SCI program and now the only coverage I have left is the VA clinic which is miles away. I don't think the same people that run the post office should manage my healthcare if the States want to chip in to help the needy then I am ok with that, but it has it's own set of problems IMHO.
 
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