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Nasty responses to my considerate bell warning when overtaking-- What's changed?

99t4

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Few years back I got chewed out plenty for not giving enough of a warning when overtaking pedestrians on multi-use trails. So I started dinging the bell early and often, frequently receiving an appreciative "thanks for the warning" comment, thumbs up, or similar thank you gesture.

More recently seems like everyone's pissed off at my considerate bell ringing. I'm receiving aggressively shouted comments like "I *HEARD* you!" "WTF A-hole," "'Yeah yeah shut the F*** up!"

What's changed?

Long planned bicycle and multiuse trails infrastructure projects have recently been completed, which combined with a record-breaking tourist influx have increased the numbers of cycle commuters, tourists on bikeshare ebikes, e-scooters, joggers, and event-goers on the trails. But the nasty responses have happened even after hours when almost nobody's around.

I think I'll try a day of silence tomorrow (no warnings) and see how that works out.
 
Sounds like you should install a bigger bell, or even better, one of the cheap 12V motorcycle horns. I have one on my seated scooter for giving people jump scares 😂
 
The other half are in some dream world instead of enjoying the great outdoors. However nobody is as bad as the reckless individual who flew around a blind corner Saturday and ran headlong into me as I was navigating slowly. A PM in the ER ensued.
 
Most things related to etiquette have changed; essentially there is none. There are plenty of rules, but things related to common courtesy have become foreign to most, or optional at best. Still, I try to stick with shared trail etiquette, regardless, and try to adapt to the reactions or avoid them. I'm never in a hurry anymore, so I tend to hang back and look for opportunities to pass, sometimes at a road crossing or slowly when people naturally/randomly/accidentally move to the side while staring at their smart phones, and using a very light touch on my bell. On trails, I follow the hierarchy, horses at the top, walkers next, and bikes last. The old heels (and hooves) before wheels, with respect to right of way, and yield to everyone going uphill, when descending. The bell is a courtesy, but doesn't establish a right or right of way, or right to pass; just a signal that you're about to take the opportunity to pass.

Way back when I was in school, I took a part time job as a banquette waiter. I had to learn a lot of rules and etiquette, related to serving, as well as dining. We never removed plates from the table if there was still someone finishing theirs, unless asked specifically, since those diners should never feel rushed. That's not the case today, except in very high end restaurants, and waiters are taught to bus plates as soon as someone finishes, partly for turnover, and partly so a person "doesn't have an empty plate in front of them". I eat faster than my wife, so I'm often sitting with one small bite on my fork, so the waiter doesn't bus it and make my wife feel rushed. My wife notices and happy. Who would have thought that just following etiquette could be viewed as chivalry, lol.

I also did VIP service a few times, where there was a waiter for each two guests at the table, so 6 waiters for a table of 12. Everything was synchronized, bringing plates to the table, and removing them. There were always a few diners that didn't know the etiquette, and we would follow our first rule of never letting the customer feel uneasy or embarrassed. For one meal, there were some appetizers that people ate with their hands/fingers. Following that, we'd bring silver finger bowls to the table, which had warm water and a lemon slice for the fragrance. We also brought a plate with a small rolled up washcloth on it. The diners used these to wash then dry their hands before the next course. One of the ladies I was serving was not familiar with this, and proceeded to drink her "lemon soup". I couldn't say anything, because of the number one rule, but she finally figured it out when she looked around. The folks yelling on the trail don't really understand the etiquette and the courtesy you are providing them. They are basically the lemon soup diners. All you really can do is stick with being courteous.

Of course, there are some obnoxious bike riders out there too. Yesterday I as riding my stand up scooter, and there was a guy on another scooter riding pretty slowly, drifting left and right. I just slowed down to wait for my opportunity to pass, when a bike rider came up yelling "bike coming, bike coming" over and over (and over). I was already fully to the right, but he kept it up and finally passed. We both exited the trail at the same place, to ride up a surface street, with a 7% grade. My scooter climbs that at 21mph in the lowest setting, so it sort of felt good, yelling "scooter coming" while whizzing by him. That courtesy felt so much better than using my bell.
 
The other half are in some dream world instead of enjoying the great outdoors. However nobody is as bad as the reckless individual who flew around a blind corner Saturday and ran headlong into me as I was navigating slowly. A PM in the ER ensued.

Man, i am sorry to hear that, wish you well with healing.



99t4, sounds like your bike trail suddenly has a New York City-style social dynamic :cry:

Here's my thought as a pedestrian in the world of ebikes.
Enough people don't slow down while passing pedestrians, and a pedestrian has come to associate that bell with 'holy shit i better find out where that is and dodge it' through sheer pavlovian training.

Enough times, they hear that bell, then a few seconds later, something is whizzing past them unexpectedly. So this causes an adrenaline spike, then NYC-like behavior ensues from repeated irritation, i think.

Personally, i'm not a bell user. I just pass at pedal bike speed ( motor off ): the traditional, low cortisol option.
They see someone passing them slowly, and don't get their hackles up. That's fine enough.

The only time i will go appreciable speeds on an ebike is if the trail has no people on it, or if i'm on the road.
If the population density of the trail is above 'mostly deserted', i'm pedaling the whole time and blipping the throttle occasionally at most.
 
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The other thing I am noticing with more frequency:

The newer bike paths are marked with a center dividing line (suggesting traffic direction lanes). Ebikes (mostly fat tire versions) and especially escooters ride on that center line, or very near it, even when seeing approaching oncoming riders, creating hairy encounters around curves and corners of the kind 2old described above. Seasoned non-ebike cyclists, not so much.
 
Yes, lots of problems with this. As noted above many folks have earbuds blasting music or on phone calls. Yet others react like they have never been in the situation before and get startled and turn into the traffic. These days on the only multiuse path I ride on I usually slow down somewhat as I approach a walker or slower cyclist and call out a nice "good morning" which seems to work OK.
 
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I do not use bell because of I know it is very annoying for the people, it can spook people and it is even dangerous because of it can trigger a reaction people unpredictably jump on your path or loose balanse riding a bicycle. There are significantly less amount of people who do not like you do not use bell passing them then amount of people who do not like you use bell passing them
 
The other thing I am noticing with more frequency:

The newer bike paths are marked with a center dividing line (suggesting traffic direction lanes). Ebikes (mostly fat tire versions) and especially escooters ride on that center line, or very near it, even when seeing approaching oncoming riders, creating hairy encounters around curves and corners of the kind 2old described above. Seasoned non-ebike cyclists, not so much.
What I see all the time now is bicyclist going the opposite direction as me, crossing over the line to pass the pedestrians, but ignoring the fact that there are bikes and scooters riding on the correct side of the line, as though their passing of pedestrians takes precedent over people oncoming, going the opposite direction. This happens when I'm riding on my ebike or escooter.
 
Sometimes when driving on a highway you feel that no matter what speed you go, it's always too fast or too slow for someone. And when this happens it's a signal the road is too crowded and the best idea is just to go same speed as everyone else around you - no amount of flashing, honking or being an asshole will make you arrive sooner.
 
Here’s what’s worked for me for the last few years. It jingles pretty softly and nothing like a bike bell. It’s just loud enough to let people know I’m there. Works well with the blind people walking on the trail with canes too. After all this time I’ve only had one old lady get annoyed, but otherwise it’s been pretty helpful when slowly passing pedestrians.IMG_2555.jpeg
 
It's actually the law here to use bell/horn when passing. Most people seem appreciative, but a good 1/3 are on earbuds and can't hear anyway.
 
I've noticed many people react to my bell as if they think I'm demanding right of way. I use the bell when I'm furthest from them, and then call "passing now" as I go close.

I will also go slow to pass, and sometimes say "no, no, you don't have to move - it's your lane. I'll pull out to pass".

I have read reports in general about young workers not knowing how to socialize in offices - and some blame of the atomization of attention by the algorithm machines - social media, smart phones, etc.
 
I am an old guy hat grew up in an era where courtesy was the way and the word. People removed their hats indoors, certainly never ate with them on. Men opened doors for the ladies, didn't cuss in front of them or their mother, you get the picture. Our top politician of the USA is doing anything and everything to to make being nasty to others normal and I don't like it! People, especially young people follow their leader and they now have a schoolyard bully to follow. Sad, very sad.
 
I've noticed many people react to my bell as if they think I'm demanding right of way. I use the bell when I'm furthest from them, and then call "passing now" as I go close.

I will also go slow to pass, and sometimes say "no, no, you don't have to move - it's your lane. I'll pull out to pass".

I have read reports in general about young workers not knowing how to socialize in offices - and some blame of the atomization of attention by the algorithm machines - social media, smart phones, etc.
That’s a very thoughtful approach.
 
I recently finished riding 100+ miles on the Empire State Trail along the Erie Canal. New York law requires bikes to have a bell, but the trail signs ask you to politely announce 'On Your Left' while reducing speed. What irked me about the Empire State Trail is each municipality can set their own rules and there were places on the trail that banned ebikes (?!). I rode through them quietly......
 
The pitch and tone of tiny little bells is really unpleasant. I can't stand the sound of them, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. If you get a bigger bell I suspect you'll get more positive "feedback" from pedestrians. You don't need a full size Chinese gong, but bigger the better.
 
The pitch and tone of tiny little bells is really unpleasant. I can't stand the sound of them, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. If you get a bigger bell I suspect you'll get more positive "feedback" from pedestrians. You don't need a full size Chinese gong, but bigger the better.
Even itty bitty yellow brass bells have a nice sweet sound that also cuts through background noise pretty well. I go for a yellow brass bell regardless of size or format if that material is available. Red brass is also good but slightly less bright. Aluminum bells sound nice enough but are less audible over other sounds. Steel bells are the ones that sound not so great though some of the rotary "brrring brrring" ones have a nostalgic charm.

Anyway I think a pleasant bell sound is very considerate of oblivious path hogging dorks who walk with just as little decorum as they use to drive their smog belching death wagons to and from.
 
Yes, good point, the material is also important. Anything that's not harsh and too high pitch is acceptable. That criteria rules out 98% of bells unfortunately.
 
Most people in my area will say thanks, so they must appreciate the warning. I use the bell with plenty of distance, Also use a pretty good bell off a toddler's bike. Makes a loud jingle, not the clear one note bell that is popular with the spandex crowd, In fact if I am behind one of those guys, many of them don;t use bells, and I will ring mine as we approach someone, The passed party often hears mine.

The difficult time is when I want to pass someone, but someone is coming at me in the passing lane, I slow down til it's clear, but now I am often too close to the party I want to pass. Too close to use my bell anyway, as it would seem rude to me. I resort to a verbal warning and passing on left.

I often ride with my wife, blind in one eye, so no depth perception, She will follow me around people, so I have to pass when there's room for two bikes. I usually announce that there;s a second bike behind me,
 
Thanks for the bell recommendations. That is in fact what I have, the old-timey large rotating slightly warbling ding-a-ling-a-ling style that does not seem too jarring. A rather pleasing sound, to my mind instantly recognizable to a bicycle.

As a musician the technology is kind of interesting to me. There is a knocker on a spring that gets flung against a tab which causes it to spring out and smack the rotating bell. Identical on the other side, except the other side bell is tuned to a slightly different pitch.

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New York law requires bikes to have a bell, but the trail signs ask you to politely announce 'On Your Left' while reducing speed.
When on shared paths I would always call out "Bike" and then slow down. If it was a group with kids I'd simply go off onto the grass and give them a wide berth.
 
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