ping is not a brand

[cammycc]

Sorry for my ever used"ping batteries", but ping is not a brand of batteries. The ping batteries are made of someone. "ping" in chinese has a meaning of "cheap".But it seems coincidence someone uses the "ping",and I have deleted it.
I am here promise, the batteries I sell in my shop come from normal manufacturer in Hong Kong, can assure quality.Not like that made by hand.
Customers left positive feedbacks for me just because of my selling good products. If I have done something inappropriate eBay will surely limit my or close my account,but till now not. Obviously, my products are OK.
The two person"dogman"and"ping" are the same one.They appear the same place the same time attack someone else. It is ashamed of that. I ought to kick back at such malicious slander.
It is unfair for me!!!

 

[Link]

Dogman and Ping are most definitely not the same person. Of that, I am sure.

Welcome, BTW. :wink:

 

[giveahoot]

Perhaps it was just a misunderstanding. But Ping, the eBay seller, has worked hard to develop brand loyalty and trust. And you must do the same for your cammycc brand. I hope you continue to post, to clear up any further misunderstandings and answer technical questions. I'm sure there will be plenty. Welcome.

 

[ZapPat]

Welcome, CammyCC

Since you have decided to post here to "clean" your reputation, please explain Ping's observation about your auctions, and my own confirmation of his observation here. Jeremy also seems to think you are using "virtual bidders" to push you auction prices up here.

I would be happy to present my excuses here if you have a good explanation of all these observations.

Ping does not have the habit of slandering other sellers, nor of using others well-known names to help him sell. It may just be an accident that you decided to use "ping" to mean "inexpensive" in your auction headers, but after other checking general ebay auctions I've seen no other items being sold using "ping" as "inexpensive"... only some new vendors in the lithium battery category are using "ping" recently... funny, no? Of course ping is not a brand, but it would be good if new vendors actually stood on their own good products and services to get good sales.

By the way, I am not Li Ping either, but as Dogman and many others, I am very cautious these days about new lithium battery vendors as they are popping up fast, and a few people have been burned by some of them.

So once again, Welcome if your intentions are good, CammyCC, and please clear up any misconceptions we may have about you!

 

[TylerDurden]

List of male Chinese names. ... PING: Chinese name meaning "stable."

http://www.20000-names.com/male_chinese_names.htm

"Peaceful"
http://www.babynology.com/meaning-ping-m14.html

 

[TylerDurden]

UPDATE--8/26/97. An article I received. This was written by Howard Fischer of Capitol Media Services:

PHOENIX - Facing an expensive and lengthy court fight, the Walt Disney Co. and a golf club manufacturer have concluded they can share the name "Ping." In an out-of-court settlement Thursday, representatives from Karsten Manufacturing Co. agreed not to try to block Disney from releasing a full-length animated feature next summer called "The Legend of Mulan." In that film, the female lead dresses up as a male and takes the name Ping -- which happens to be a trademark that belongs to Karsten. In exchange, Disney has accepted some restrictions on the use of the name on the variety of associated merchandise for which the company is famous, ranging from dolls and lunch boxes to clothing and tie-ins with fast-food restaurants. The exact details of the pact, however, will be kept confidential.

Thursday's breakthrough came after U.S. District Judge Roger Strand publicly upbraided lawyers for both sides for their inability to craft an accord. At one point, he leveled a not-so-subtle threat, telling the attorneys that their clients would live to financially regret the legal battle: "Just get it done -- or the third quarter earnings of both companies are going to take a substantial dip," the judge said. Troy Froderman, the attorney for Karsten, said only that his client can live with the agreement. Attorneys for Disney were even more closed-mouthed, saying only that anyone with questions should see the movie when it comes out next summer and buy the merchandise.

Karsten began manufacturing its Ping line of clubs in 1959. Company founder Karsten Solheim said he gave the first club -- the model 1-A putter -- that name because of the sound it made when it hit a golf ball. Since that time the privately held company has extended the Ping name to everything from luggage to children's apparel. Sales of Ping products in the last decade alone, according to Karsten attorneys, amount to more than $1 billion. What spurred the suit was Karsten's discovery of Disney's registration of the Ping trademark for consumer items it intended to market next year in connection with the film. The story is based on a 2,000-year-old Chinese folktale of a young, high-spirited girl named Mulan whose aged father is called to war, where he faces near certain death. She then disguises herself as a man and joins the army in his place. When asked for a name by army officials, she chooses "Ping," which is a man's name, unlike Mulan. That name, though, is an invention of Disney and does not exist in the original story.

Disney showed a copy of the partially completed film to Strand -- behind closed doors -- in an effort to convince him it was too late to change it now. The judge spent several days attempting to chide the two sides into reaching common ground. But the attorneys each gave reasons why the other side's position was wrong. Jody Pope, one of Karsten's stable of hired legal guns, wanted specific limits on both on the use of the word "Ping" by Disney as well as the actual image of Mulan as Ping in her alter-ego male garb. Barry Halpern of Disney's legal team countered that his client needs "flexibility" on things like games and puzzles. After several of these sessions, Strand started losing his sense of humor about the battle.

"The problem is lawyers is they're so damned innovative and thoughtful," he told the attorneys, trying to worry about every potential future possibility. "Don't try to chase every rabbit so far down the hole that you end up chasing every rainbow."

(I really envy the judge in this case. Not only did he get to see part of "Mulan" before the rest of us, but he also got to scold attorneys on both sides. -A.K.)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5082/ping.html

 

[dogman dan]

No shit. Li Ping is a lot smarter than I am. And talks less. If I attacked you cammy, its because sending big bucks to china is a big deal to us. I was terrified to send money to Ping untill posts on this and another forum gave me the reasurance that I could trust Ping, AND that is battery would do what I need. Many new lifepo4 sellers are popping up selling batteries with poor discharge specifications. I started supporting Ping because I knew his battery was the best, and his service was first rate. I want to prevent people from getting ripped off by vendors who may or may not ship, ship to the wrong address routinely, and ship product that breaks quickly.

Now you pop up, with a spec sheet obviously copied from pings ad word for word, including the claim that it is a Ping battery. No, it is not a brand name, but do you have a battery with those specifications? Who knows? We do belive that other cells have such specifications, but when you didn't delete Ping from the ad, you blew any reason for us to trust you. Oops your bad, but now you have to do something to regain the trust of most of us.

Check out the feedback on daisypang2828. Typical. Too bad legit sellers have such a long way to go to get our trust, but this stuff is why. Li Ping has proven himself to us. Cammy, if you want to get your batteries approved by the folks on this forum, send one to one of our smarter members and he will test it to destruction. Don't even think of sending it to me. We trust Ping because his batteries and his customer service have passed the torture testing. We'd love to add another trusted Ebay vendor to our list, but so far, no others than Li Ping and some bike shops have made the list. We didn't really trust Ping either untill several brave individuals bought batteries to test.

 

[wasp]

no but his service to his customers has been reconized
just like here
if you only care about getting someones cash and not aftercare or customer service
then you will fail
i have not bought a "ping" bat but have read the reviews

 

[ty cohen]

btw, ping does not mean cheap in Chinese, unless you don't know how to speak Chinese. Close, but no cigar.

 

[Johnbear]

Ping is peace in Mandarin (Chinese). In Cantonese (Chinese) Ping can mean the price is fair.

 

[D-Man]

Think I'll go play some golf....

 

[swbluto]

Dogman and Ping are most definitely not the same person. Of that, I am sure.

Welcome, BTW. :wink:

That's most definitely true. Either that, or "ping" chooses to have a fake chinese grammatical influence when dealing with customers and pretending to have a perfectly American English influence while conversing casually. Personally, that doesn't make sense to me because... wouldn't perfect English boost your business if you're dealing with people who speak English(As a part of the trust that tends to come with being "one of us", so to say.) and why would someone go through the effort of faking it if it's disadvantageous?

 

[swbluto]

Ping is peace in Mandarin (Chinese). In Cantonese (Chinese) Ping can mean the price is fair.

I can't really confirm the last one, though it may be true, but people need to remember "Chinese" is really an amalgamation of quite different dialects, "Standard Mandarin" and "Cantonese" among them. Oddly enough, though, this rather exhaustive list at http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/dictionary.html for "ping", and its close variations, seems to have no semantic approximates of "cheap"/"fair-price". The closest one seemed to be "flat / level / equal / to make the same score / to tie / to draw / calm / peaceful" and even that's a stretch.

And, yes, "Ping is a brand.". Dictionary.com definition of 'brand': "kind, grade, or make, as indicated by a stamp, trademark, or the like:" It is a KIND of battery sold by someone who has the Business TRADEMARK "pingping227". Trademark definition: "any name, symbol, figure, letter, word, or mark adopted and used by a manufacturer or merchant in order to designate his or her goods and to distinguish them from those manufactured or sold by others" which clearly ping is doing.

 

[Johnbear]

Ping by being honest and upfront, timely and fair, quick to respond to inquiries has established a reputation based on his name so it is unfair of others to capitalize on that. I am not sure if the intent of the other sellers was to do so or not. But if most merchants were like Ping the marketplace would be vastly improved. Keep up the good work Ping! As for the others, I hope that you will follow from Pings example!

 

[swbluto]

The two person"dogman"and"ping" are the same one.They appear the same place the same time attack someone else.

How does that exclude the possibility dogman is always on here or, at the very least, dogman is always on here when ping happens to post? Ping's "posting time" may very well coincide with dogman's browsing time.

 

[Pete]

I am here promise, the batteries I sell in my shop come from normal manufacturer in Hong Kong, can assure quality.Not like that made by hand.
Customers left positive feedbacks for me just because of my selling good products. If I have done something inappropriate eBay will surely limit my or close my account,but till now not. Obviously, my products are OK.
The two person"dogman"and"ping" are the same one.They appear the same place the same time attack someone else.

I acknowledge you are at a disadvantage now that Ping has a good customer service reputation and a decent number of batteries out in the real world with users who will give honest feedback even if it is scathing. There is no quick way to develop a positive reputation and starting off with a first post like that really does not help your cause. If you want to develop a decent reputation your only option is to get your product out into the marketplace and the only way that will happen quickly is if you price your product at a level where experimenters will take a punt on an unknown product with unknown support.

It has already been suggest perviously, but do consider sending a sample of your product to one of the guys here who does unbiased, detailed cell and battery testing. The cost of a battery and shipping is a small price to pay for real test data that this community will trust. It would also go a long way toward convincing a few people to play guinea pig..

I can't say I have ever read a comment from Ping that was attacking another vendor. It is rare to see a posting from Ping here unless he is answering a direct question about his own product. To be honest I like it that way because it means Ping's batteries sell themselves purely on positive word of mouth.

 

[64ragtop]

I have always heard that if you need to sell your product by knocking the competition's product or service, your product is probably inferior. The quality of their product and the business practices and policies of a vendor will eventually speak for themselves. In this new marketplace where it is necessary to send money to an unknown person in a foreign country I (and i think I speak for many others) need to be wary and cautious so as to not send money and get no (or defective) product and have no law enforcement agency able to assist in recovering money.

It seems that Mr. Ping has established himself as a trustworthy vendor. If others are to compete, they will need to establish the same trust in their customers. Knocking or "bad mouthing" your competitors does nothing to build your reputation. One way that a vendor trying to build their market share against an established vendor is to beat the prices charged by the market leader. Even then, it is still necessary to build trust by promptly making good any problems, being sure that shipments are prompt and complete and so on.

Honest competition benefits the market in all ways. Satisfied customers are repeat customers. Competition in pricing turns more "fence sitters" into customers. Once you have won a customer, whatever you do to keep them happy will enhance your reputation.

All the Best!

BC

 

[dogman dan]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Can't stop laughing :lol: at the idea that I am Ping. After my two broken collarbones I had too much time on my hands. Now I'm waaaaay too hooked on making stupid posts on this forum. My destroyed by construction work back keeps me insomniac, and the little work I still do is only a few hours a day and happens real early in the morning New Mexico time so some of my posts could be looking like am in China. In any case, I have too much time on my hands since the only thing that keeps me going is to spend about 16 hours a day with my spine horizontal. That is a lot of time to spend surfing the internet and reading. It could look like I'm ping or at least his shill. I have hesitated to post what really made me a devoted fan of his but I will now. When I wanted one of Pings batteries it was, and still is, just about impossible to win an Ebay auction and get one. So I emailed him a price I thought was reasonable, and waited for his reply. Imagine my astonishment when he replied refusing my offer, but agreeing to a LOWER price than I offered. That did it right there for me. It wasn't about the dollar ammount, but the seriousness of a guy who is obviously looking at his busniness as a long term thing. Li Ping is going to be the Sam Walton of Lifepo4. He is going to get your first sale on price, and every one after that on customer service. He is waaaay smarter than the guys who change identities every month. We all know the cells that don't make quality controll go somewhere, but we also know that Li Ping is not selling those cells. Since Ping is a registerd trademark for golf clubs in America, maybe we should stop saying "Ping Battery" and say "Battery from Li Ping" lest some american a-----e drag him to court.

 

[cammycc]

I have no means to attack someone....I am here just want to show my shop....Thanks for all your attention...
Let the time certificate all!...I believe if customers satisfied with my products will leave positive feedback to me....
I can't force anyone to do that....
"ping","liang","zheng" are my aim.....

 

[dogman dan]

I just looked at your ebay feedback and owe you an apology. At least you are a ligitimate vendor with a good record on other products. Some of the other Ebay battery vendors are obviously new with a bunch of less than a buck sales to generate some positive feedback. One of our problems when we try to choose a vendor is not knowing what is in the duct tape. It would be great if you could tell us whether they are welded round cells or the prismatic ones, flat foil packages, and what sise in ah the packages or round cells are. Honestly when the first buyers sent money to Li Ping we didn't know if the duct tape was going to have a real battery inside or just a few AA nicads. When we have a problem with one of Li Pings batteries we can email him and get a lot of technical advice from him to fix the battery ourselves. If you can provide that, and deliver without delays and wrong addresses we will gladly put your product as highly reccomended as Li Ping. I don't blame you for being upset, but putting the words ping battery in your first ads was a big mistake, and we are a bunch of sharks here on this forum. We flame each other just as bad about any mistake.

 

[ping]

Cammy, It seems your "sorry" was not said to me, but to all the others who could be your potential customers. However, I think you'd better apologize to me first. Please don't explain what "ping" means. eBay.com is a US website and we are both Chinese. Even if "ping" means "cheap", why didn't you use "cheap" or why don't you use "cheap" now? Everyone here has seen what has happened in your ebay listings.

And then, I think you should apologize to dogman. You should have known why.

Cammy, you're not the first competitor and we've never attacked any other competitors, such as YESA, anna, newjourney, jimmywu and so on. Also, I don't think I have attacked you. I just defended my rights. For competitors, I even used to suggest YESA and LiFeBATT to some customers who wanted better batteries. Actually, we're not afraid of the emerging competitors. Competition will make us stronger.

Cammy, just save your time to improve your products and services. To be a real battery vendor, but not only an ebay seller.

Hi all, tell you a story here.

- About 25-30 years ago, China was running a planned economy. Maybe you've never known. Everything was planned by the government. For example, everyone can get one egg everyday (maybe not only one, I don't remember, just for example). So, a three people family can get 3 eggs everyday. Of course, you should pay the money. But the price is fair. Chinese people called the fair price "ping price". If you have guests coming and want more eggs, you could buy at higher price in the blackmarket. The higher price is called "yi price". Of course, there're some kind people who just sell their eggs at "ping price" because they cannot eat so many eggs and don't want to make money on the eggs.

Just a story that happened in China in the 20th century. "ping price" MEANT "fair price", also "normal price". In Chinese, "ping" means "flat, safe, normal, peaceful, clam, equal, same score..."

Dogman, thanks for suggesting our batteries. And sorry for having you dragged in the affair.

Ping

 

[johnrobholmes]

Well that about settles it for me. My friend wants a pack for his bike, and I will be sending him to Li Ping. Very well handled Ping.

 

[dogman dan]

Hey I got a laugh out of it Li Ping. :lol: :lol: But I will tone it down a bit about attacking anybody for you. I got a bit worked up after reading some other threads concerning other guys who can't seem to deliver the product they sold. It's not that I think you need the help, just that I've been riding so happily on the battery you sold me, and see all these other vendors with batterys that won't do for our overvolted, overamped american ebikes. I hate to see people buy the wrong thing when they could get a good one from you. Or cammy if she proves out. Why would she try to sell the west with an eastern local expression? Here in the US, in the 60's the government handed out free cheese to the poor. To this day, government cheese is an expression for the most unsatisfactory or unedible of products.

 

[ty cohen]

That's it.

I'm buying a 'battery from Ping" when I get my ebike up and running. I'm not taking any chances with a several hundred dollar purchase.

It's not just that Ping has a loyal following and an excellent customer service record, he writes with perfect English. :lol:

 

[64ragtop]

Hey I got a laugh out of it Li Ping. :lol: :lol: But I will tone it down a bit about attacking anybody for you. I got a bit worked up after reading some other threads concerning other guys who can't seem to deliver the product they sold. It's not that I think you need the help, just that I've been riding so happily on the battery you sold me, and see all these other vendors with batterys that won't do for our overvolted, overamped american ebikes. I hate to see people buy the wrong thing when they could get a good one from you. Or cammy if she proves out. Why would she try to sell the west with an eastern local expression? Here in the US, in the 60's the government handed out free cheese to the poor. To this day, government cheese is an expression for the most unsatisfactory or unedible of products.

My thanks to Mr. Ping, he's gained a fan if not yet a customer for that reply. I only hope that Cammy can "prove out" as dogman says, because good honest competition will drive price and service to bring this new technology into broader use and more profit for the vendors that maintain high standards. I had forgotten the "government cheese" phrase, but have had the misfortune of eating some - and it was darn near inedible! Further, I would not have expected Cammy to have understood that phrase, as she seemingly thought we would (or would not understand her use of "ping"

And, to Cammy, If you're serious about developing the North American market (and I hope you are) back off on the mudslinging (oops a slang term that might be misunderstood). What I meant to say, Cammy, is develop your market with solid product & good business practices and you will reap great rewards in time. As has been shown in this thread, criticizing others will not work to build your market share (at least with this group)

All the best!

BC