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AussieJester
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Sorry but thats plain ugly... Chryslers effortz are MUCH more impressive IMO
dogman dan
1 PW
Yeah but the chryslers look heavy to me. Which one do you think you could afford a 60 mile range lithium battery for? You are looking at the shape of things to come, the most space inside the lightest car is that shape. Could be worse at least it doesn't look like the citicar, or a GEM.
Toshi
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chrysler's efforts are vaporware concept cars that'll never see the light of day in a real showroom.AussieJester said:
dnmun
1 PW
i think some people think of the car as something more than transportation. kinda the argument about why 'real men' drive the big fast fat cars and wimps drive the tiny little girly cars. or jap cars as they are usually called because of the war and resultant redirection of japanese productivity into efficient manufacturing techniques after the war that developed the honda and toyota brands here.
i think chrysler will end up merged with nissan, and carlos ghosan already has a plan to go electric, and the chrysler name will sell nissan/renault electric and hybrid models in the future.
i think we will have road taxes rise rapidly here now that there is a need to pay for the work projects that the guvment needs to stop the collapse of the job market. we will have a democratic congress, 2 maine senators who will support higher road taxes so no senate republican veto, which will get the price of gas to the level needed to maintain the social momentum away from the continued waste of oil and also to meet the CO2 mandates that are gonna soon be law here too. reagan is dead, a dark cloud that crushed the world in waste, greed, and now total financial collapse is over, obama is kinda like fdr in the level of social and guvment change we can expect in the next 8 years. finally we are gonna start to go solar, you can feel the change in that the fat cars are not selling anymore with even super cheap gas, its over. expect 65 cents more in road taxes in 8 years. federal and state excise taxes on road hogs, no tax on vehicles under 850-1000cc, progressing to 4-5% of sales price for the fattest cars too. mexico is not expected to export oil within 3 years as their major reserves are depleting rapidly, 37% last year, almost 50% this year.
i think chrysler will end up merged with nissan, and carlos ghosan already has a plan to go electric, and the chrysler name will sell nissan/renault electric and hybrid models in the future.
i think we will have road taxes rise rapidly here now that there is a need to pay for the work projects that the guvment needs to stop the collapse of the job market. we will have a democratic congress, 2 maine senators who will support higher road taxes so no senate republican veto, which will get the price of gas to the level needed to maintain the social momentum away from the continued waste of oil and also to meet the CO2 mandates that are gonna soon be law here too. reagan is dead, a dark cloud that crushed the world in waste, greed, and now total financial collapse is over, obama is kinda like fdr in the level of social and guvment change we can expect in the next 8 years. finally we are gonna start to go solar, you can feel the change in that the fat cars are not selling anymore with even super cheap gas, its over. expect 65 cents more in road taxes in 8 years. federal and state excise taxes on road hogs, no tax on vehicles under 850-1000cc, progressing to 4-5% of sales price for the fattest cars too. mexico is not expected to export oil within 3 years as their major reserves are depleting rapidly, 37% last year, almost 50% this year.
TylerDurden
100 GW
I'm not so sure it's over. People change slowly... over generations.
Until we are all literally blind, conspicuous-consumption will continue to be the primary expression of power & wealth.
Until we are all literally blind, conspicuous-consumption will continue to be the primary expression of power & wealth.
dnmun
1 PW
TD, looking at article on A3 of todays wsj, about obama team removing the tax break for new hires, includes a statement of how summers will devote $25 billion in tax incentives to promote conservation and renewable energy, up from $10 billion originally.
i assume much of this will be to bail out the ethanol boondoggle, but hopefully the same regime of tax credits for solar that jimmy carter introduced will return. that was $10k tax credit, it was very helpful when i designed and built a passive solar house in 1984, both the active and passive stuff really only cost about $4k but we got the full $10k credit and it has saved about $20-30k in heat and hot water since then. but that was new build, it is harder to retrofit, especially with building code and housing covenants blocking every attempt to go solar.
i assume much of this will be to bail out the ethanol boondoggle, but hopefully the same regime of tax credits for solar that jimmy carter introduced will return. that was $10k tax credit, it was very helpful when i designed and built a passive solar house in 1984, both the active and passive stuff really only cost about $4k but we got the full $10k credit and it has saved about $20-30k in heat and hot water since then. but that was new build, it is harder to retrofit, especially with building code and housing covenants blocking every attempt to go solar.
TylerDurden
100 GW
Ja, the incentives will be very helpful in stimulating the green market, but changing basic human behavior is another story.
The strongest motivator I have witnessed regarding green tech, is the perceived ability to "stick it to the man". I can brag that my little car can get me around for two bucks a day, but it is not as powerful as bragging that exxon is not getting one dime.
The strongest motivator I have witnessed regarding green tech, is the perceived ability to "stick it to the man". I can brag that my little car can get me around for two bucks a day, but it is not as powerful as bragging that exxon is not getting one dime.
madmadscientist
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Man it burns me up 2012 to get a BEV out there? Why doesn't someone buy Th!nk who has a ready to go BEV now?
Here's my conspiracy theory on this for the day. I am afraid all this noise the carmakers are making about BEV's is just bluster like 'fuel cell cars'. Full BEV's will always be 5 years away from being ready so please don't raise the MPG standards on us now cause look we're spending so much money on this and we're trying really hard....
Does anybody have any idea how much the big carmakers spent on Fuel Cell research vs. their advertising budgets? I don't know this for sure but I've been told its just a small slice.
Daniel Neumansky
Alameda CA
Here's my conspiracy theory on this for the day. I am afraid all this noise the carmakers are making about BEV's is just bluster like 'fuel cell cars'. Full BEV's will always be 5 years away from being ready so please don't raise the MPG standards on us now cause look we're spending so much money on this and we're trying really hard....
Does anybody have any idea how much the big carmakers spent on Fuel Cell research vs. their advertising budgets? I don't know this for sure but I've been told its just a small slice.
Daniel Neumansky
Alameda CA
