Transport Canada sticker

miro13car

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I wrote to our goverment Transport Canada last year to ask them to issue me 500W sticker based on my buy of Tidal Force bicycle in Kelowna. I have recept, bike was legal when I was buying and based on what I heard it should have TC sticker on motoer confirming it is 500W .
It was more than 4 monts ago, got of course thise automated acknowledgment from them, that's all, no answer.
That is much for MrHarper goverment " transparency" in dealing with Can taxpayer. .
Anybody in Canada knows something about it??? Stickers?
MC
 
I've got the Canadian stickers that came with a motor I ordered. Little gray things in both languages ? I've got no use for them. If you pm me I'd be glad to mail them.
 
I concur with everything that's been said, here.

I work for a (very) large corporation (it wasn't - it was "comfortable", but it became so through acquisition. I was among the "acquired", but that's a whole other story). Organizations that grow large (including governments) wind up full of bureaucracy as a natural side-effect of the growth process (any single entity whose constituent members may have differing opinions on "how things should work" results in the need to develop "policies").

Anyways - nothing new, here - large organizations ultimately wind up with a surprisingly large number of people on their payroll whose original reason for hire dries up, and they have to find their own ways to justify their continued value to "the firm"... Hell, these big outfits usually have benefits and compensation worth fighting for. Giving someone who "hasn't done anything for their employer, lately" *any* fuel to that end is like giving a dog a bone.

These leeches get to keep their jobs, too, until something bad happens that provokes a brief focus by Upper Management on rationalizing who's on the roster. Then they fire the good guys.

Wow, did any of that make sense?

I actually like my GM motors over the one Crystalyte I have because they have "500W" laser etched on their cases. Something I can point at, should an unitiated "official" stop me and ask questions.
 
The law wants you to have a sticker, big deal. Kinda like the way my bike has a bell, but it may as well be mounted in the wheel on the front hub because I can't recall having used it to warn someone, altho I must have tried it out when I got it, but I use my voice for that.


Making a sticker like this is easy, no reason not to have one. Print out & fix on the bike using clear tape. In this case, I would print out a few of these labels and cut them out, place one carefully on a section of clear tape, cut off excess keeping a strip to handle it, place that where I want and cut off excess strip of tape with fingerprints on it, peel it off and try again repeatedly until it's not crooked or with a bubble in it or with a wrinkle or something, if it leaves gum when you take it off you can remove that with zippo fluid and scott towels. Once it's setup right, rubbing it with something hard & smooth gets it looking real good, done right the tape is practically invisible and protects the artwork from water.

This is a temporary tatoo setup that way on one of my bikes:
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Hey, mathurin - cool sticker.

Yeah - MAKING one is fine. Reminding someone close to those who invented the need for the thing (and have probably forgotten so) about it is what is to be avoided.

N & V sounds like he's worked through some of the same nonsense as I. For the benefit of those who are familiar with those corporate "motivational" posters that started showing up all over the place a few years ago, but haven't discovered despair.com yet - I bring it to your attention.

I actually own several of these (the quality of the lithos is excellent)...

http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

Some examples and faves...

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idiocy.jpg


consulting.jpg


Check it out :)
 
Zoot Katz said:
Let sleeping dogs lie. . .especially those lying dogs in Ottawa.

Good advice from "Zoot Kats"

I'm going to make a sticker for my hub motor like "Mathurin" explained, just to see how it looks :D
 
nutsandvolts said:
Mathurin said:
The law wants you to have a sticker, big deal.

What law wants you to have a sticker?

I've only really bothered to look at the rules that the Ontario Government published regarding e-bikes, and went and found the site again. They do stipulate that a sticker (which references a section of the "Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations") must be affixed to the bike... But reading it literally, I would say that this is required of manufacturers, not individuals who convert their own bikes...

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/e-bike-faq.shtml#a19
 
Right you are the law don't require a sticker, it requires a label... And altho said laws are subject to provinces for them to adopt as they see fit, the link philf showed makes it clear Ontario expects people to comply with the Motor Vehicle Safety Act:


"Manufacturers of e-bikes must permanently affix a label, in a conspicuous location, stating in both official languages that the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle as defined in the regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act."


It's pretty much the same kinda deal in Quebec also, except that for conversions they want the sticker on the motor. But here's the tricky part: In order for a vehicle to be a power-assisted bicycle as defined in the regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act, it must have the label on it:


"power-assisted bicycle" means a vehicle that:

(a) has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals,

(b) is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground,

(c) is capable of being propelled by muscular power,

(d) has one or more electric motors that have, singly or in combination, the following characteristics:
(i) it has a total continuous power output rating, measured at the shaft of each motor, of 500 W or less,
(ii) if it is engaged by the use of muscular power, power assistance immediately ceases when the muscular power ceases,
(iii) if it is engaged by the use of an accelerator controller, power assistance immediately ceases when the brakes are applied, and
(iv) it is incapable of providing further assistance when the bicycle attains a speed of 32 km/h on level ground,

(e) bears a label that is permanently affixed by the manufacturer and appears in a conspicuous location stating, in both official languages, that the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle as defined in this subsection, and

(f) has one of the following safety features,
(i) an enabling mechanism to turn the electric motor on and off that is separate from the accelerator controller and fitted in such a manner that it is operable by the driver, or
(ii) a mechanism that prevents the motor from being engaged before the bicycle attains a speed of 3 km/h; ( bicyclette assistée )


Again, without the sticker, the vehicle is not a power-assisted bicycle as defined in the regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. So if you don't have it, that's a detail that's not in your favour in case of an investigation following a bad crash, it also gives ammo for any police who would decide to piss you off. So it pretty much serves the same function as the bell on my ebike.
 
my Tidal Force bike was manufactured in USA , imported legally by BC Kelwna dealer.
Obviosly USA manufacturer cannot place CANADA required label.
The point is that I have proof of purchase of ebike meeting TC requirements for ebike why they would not issue label?
Nobody tries "to wake up any dogs"" , Transport C defined ebikes, they aware of this, label regardless who places this is TC label, I understand issued by TC label .
Alberta adopted TC regulations.
Mathurin already explained why it is very good idea to have label, nobody tries to wake up dogs as you said, Transport C Motor Veh Safety Act IS by Transport Canada and ebike is defined by TC , they are well aware of this.
Abviously if you stopped by police is it very good to have label, no doubt.
MC
 
Anybody remember a time when some brainiac was trying to generate revenue by pushing bicycle "licensing" and "registration".

In Ontario, I remember a lot of bikes that had these embossed yellow tags affixed to them and other kids telling me they were a required "license". The memory is vague, and none of the bikes I ever owned sported one. I'm just trying to rationalize whether I think that was really a "license" or more like an indication of some form of "registration" - to indicate to potential thieves that the bike was on record with the police. Hell, a pair of scissors would take one of these off in an instant.

On the other hand, there really WERE attempts to introduce bike licensing, and some people bought into it, I guess.

bikeplates.jpg


Whatever ever happened to all of THOSE initiatives? But wherever that came from, that's what we're trying to avoid by laying low with the "authorities".

While trying to find a picture of an Ontario bike tag, I did discover this website, though. I found it interesting that, as a Canadian site, their drop-down menu of bike brands didn't included "SuperCycle".

http://www.bikeregistrycanada.com/Intro.html

say, do you think I'd need a "label" for this bike?

carcrushingbike.jpg


Edit: Neglected to include link to bikeregistrycanada, despite discussing it.
 
Yes,
I agree - registering bicycles = nonsens.
There are 2 aspects of this, bike path and street.
On bike path you have bylaw on street you have police.
I avoid riding on street like fire, not because police, on Calgary streets it is sucide with all those devices, cell phones and gadets. All pleasure of bicycle is to be able to ride AWAY from cars.
I decided just copy proof of purchase and carry it on bicycle , NOT in my pocket.
If I were any authority I naturally wanted to know what it is when I stopped it. Hence recept.
The best solution for now.
MC
 
That's right rule is :
Do not draw attention.
Always peddle when other people around.
I am rebuilding my LfeBatt pack in complete new box , new shape to free luggage rack which is for luggage.
Box made of ABS plastic.
WHAT would you suggest to write on the side of the box??
I was thinking like STORAGE SOLUTIONS, LUNCH BOX.
I am serious.
MC
 
Hey, Miroslaw, hope your going to take pictures of the battery box your building for your batteries.

The cyclists in Calgary have some of the best cycling trails anywhere, I know cause i lived there for a year and rode them daily from 11th street SW :D The cyclists even have overpasses.
 
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