Trumpistas will die from Covid at **much** higher rates

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Every. Single. Day. lately has been a new record for new infections, over 120,000 per DAY is likely to become the "new normal" between now and February.

Even if "only" a few hundred US citizens are DYING EVERY DAY as a result

the fact is it is not the paltry prevention measures that are holding back us starting the economic recovery

it is the pandemic itself.

Nothing will go back to any reasonable definition of normal until we have kicked this virus' butt.

Daily new cases must get down below 5/100K (rolling 7-day average).

Testing positivity rate well below 1%

Then the hospitalization and death rates per 100K will take care of themselves.

We do not have to wait another year or more (if ever) for a vaccine to rescue us, after Jan 21 at least we have less corrupt and infinitely more competent leadership in place.

If they have the balls to hit the ground running, override the trumpista "this is fine, herd mentality FREEDUMB" brainwashing and do what needs to be done

it can be down to safe enough levels within a few months.

We can only pray they do, and will.

Elizabeth Warren for Sec. Homeland Security!

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Meanwhile it's red states and Trump-supporting counties that are dying at much higher rates, and will continue to do so, specifically as a consequence of listening to him and the Murdoch media bubble like Fox.

https://apnews.com/article/counties-worst-virus-surges-voted-trump-d671a483534024b5486715da6edb6ebf

The worst locations aren’t in high-density cities, or in areas where there’s a high level of travel. They are small, rural counties. In fact, most of them are rural counties in rural states like Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. 

And 93% of the counties with the worst rates of coronavirus infection voted for Donald Trump. In fact, they voted overwhelmingly for Trump. And the worse the infection, the more dire the local situation, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.

Trump counties practice less social distancing. People in those counties are also less likely to wear masks. And, again mirroring the AP data, the more a county supported Trump, the worse it is on these safety measures. People in Trump counties are more likely to ignore stay-at-home orders. They are more likely to ignore mask mandates. They are less likely to practice safe social distancing. 

Listening to Trump, watching Fox News, believing the messages that the conservative media spreads, is not just sickening; it’s deadly.

Science, reality, proof, not BS propaganda.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-00977-7
 
Just think if we had a shooting everyday and the shooter killed hundreds. I'm sure this country would be in a panic to get that killer.
Well Trump is that killer!
 
ZeroEm said:
Just think if we had a shooting everyday and the shooter killed hundreds. I'm sure this country would be in a panic to get that killer.
Well Trump is that killer!

What you mean like Opiods
The docs and pharm were allowed to slide for so long.

Now its fentanyl and 100's die, the trend is to close down shootup joints and not give any help for rehab.

Guns kill more then 100's, have any firearms bills been past to curb the easiness of purchasing?
Maybe now with Sleepy Joe he will pass some meaningful reforms in that regard.
 
ZeroEm said:
I don't have a problem with guns it's the people that have them.

Which is the meaningful reform that is needed.
Courses
Background checks
References

The vote counts more then safety.
 
Perhaps the NRA aint a fan of Biden.

https://www.guns.com/news/2020/10/22/joe-biden-promise-gun-bans-restrictions

Democratic 2020 Presidential candidate Joe Biden has a brutal gun control platform that promises to rewrite the country's firearm laws, gravely wound the world's most vibrant shooting sports industry, and cancel modern gun culture.

In 2005, when Biden was a U.S. Senator from Delaware, he voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, legislation that was passed and signed into law by President George W. Bush to provide the American firearms industry legal protection against frivolous lawsuits that, backed by national gun control groups, aimed at the time to shutter everything from giant gun makers to small mom-and-pop gun stores.

Biden promises to "prioritize repealing this protection."
 
Doctors fear more death as Dakotas experience virus ‘sorrow’
By AP
STEPHEN GROVES and JAMES MacPHERSON 19 minutes ago

This undated photo provided by the John Bjorkman family shows John Bjorkman, age 66, who died in South Dakota on Oct. 20, 2020 from COVID-19. His family decided to share his struggle with the illness to warn people how serious the virus is. North Dakota and South Dakota have the nation's worst rate of coronavirus deaths per capita in the last 30 days. Despite advances in treating coronavirus patients, hundreds more people in the Dakotas have died in recent weeks than during any other time of the pandemic. (John Bjorkman family via AP)

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — With coronavirus cases running rampant in the Dakotas and elected leaders refusing to forcefully intervene, the burden of pushing people to take the virus seriously has increasingly been put on the families of those who have died.

The ranks of those who know what it means to lose someone they love to COVID-19 are on the rise. North Dakota and South Dakota have the nation’s worst rate of deaths per capita over the last 30 days. Despite advances in treating COVID-19 patients, hundreds more people have died in recent weeks than during any other period — a grim exclamation point on the virus outbreak slamming the northern Plains and Upper Midwest.

In the Dakotas, the virus has shown few signs of slowing down. With winter approaching and hospitals scrambling to make room for COVID-19 patients, medical experts worry that virus deaths will continue to climb in a region where people have been slow to adopt mitigation measures like wearing masks. The Republican governors of both states have derided government orders to help halt the outbreaks, leaning on ideals of limited government.

The deaths have increasingly hit closer to home among many tight-knit communities: a priest in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Fargo; a former school principal in De Smet; an elementary school employee in Sioux Falls; a North Dakota state legislative candidate.

“Sometimes I think it’s not true,” said Chris Bjorkman, who lost her husband, John Bjorkman, 66. “Sometimes I think he’s going to walk through the door, but he hasn’t yet, so I just keep waiting.”

Bjorkman’s family, who live in De Smet, a town in eastern South Dakota where Laura Ingalls Wilder once had a homestead, decided to publicly share his struggle with the virus because he loved serving the community. After a career as a teacher and school administrator, Bjorkman was a well-known figure, remembered for his fun-loving ways and care for children.

“I want people to know what COVID can do and how serious it is,” Chris Bjorkman said.

The family experienced the crunch facing the health care system as John Bjorkman was flown to a hospital in Minnesota after his condition worsened. The family posted regular Facebook updates as he was transferred to an intensive care unit in Sioux Falls and placed on a ventilator.

Doctors are unsure how many more cases like Bjorkman’s that they can handle.

“At this time, we’re headed in a direction of overwhelming our health care systems and I think that’s closer than what people understand,” said Dr. Michael Pietila, a critical care physician at the Yankton Medical Clinic.

The hospital systems in the Dakotas are an intricate network of critical access facilities in rural areas and small hospitals that depend on transferring patients to a handful of large hospitals in the region.

The rush of virus patients has dialed up the emotional and physical stress on hospital staff, even as they try to stay free from infections. During an interview with The Associated Press, Pietila was interrupted by the ping of an email notifying him that a number of hospital employees had tested positive for the virus.

“The COVID patients come in and they’re sick for a long time — weeks at a time,” he said. “A lot of these COVID patients don’t get better. There’s a lot of sorrow.”

North Dakota reported that 309 people died from COVID-19 in the past 30 days, more than all other periods combined. The state shot to the top of the nation in deaths per capita in the last 30 days, with roughly 41 deaths per 100,000 people, according to data from Johns Hopkins. On Saturday, North Dakota reported 15 additional deaths and 1,615 new cases across the state.

South Dakota reported 252 deaths, a 98% increase in the last 30 days. It had a death rate of roughly 29 people per 100,000 over the last 30 days, according to the Johns Hopkins data. The state on Saturday recorded thirteen more deaths in addition to 1,337 new cases of COVID-19.

“The devastation that I’m seeing from people is just so disheartening,” said Mike Henriksen, a South Dakota sports broadcaster who knew five people who died. “If we would simply be looking out for each other, we could prevent a lot of this.”

The severity of the situation in the Dakotas has concerned medical experts across the country, like Dr. Ashish K. Jha, dean of the Brown School of Public Health. He called the Dakotas a “cautionary tale” of the consequences of ignoring the science of the virus and public health initiatives.

Jha noted that the region started experiencing a steep climb in cases after the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota, a two-week event that drew nearly 500,000 people. As infection numbers increase, Jha said, it becomes harder and harder to control the spread.

“It is a freight train going very fast and it is going to take enormous effort to stop it,” he said.

Doctors are stunned that they are still struggling to persuade people to take precautions.

“When I go out and I don’t see a significant number of people masking, that really worries me,” Dr. Jawad Nazir, a clinical professor at the University of South Dakota School of Medicine, said. “This is not going away.”

On a tour of Bismarck, North Dakota, on Oct. 26, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, shook her head at what she found, saying she saw less use of masks than anywhere else she’s been in the country.

Yet the governors of both states have made it clear they won’t issue mask mandates.

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, who just won reelection, is adhering to what he calls a “light touch of government” and encouraging people to voluntarily wear face coverings. He also has refused to enforce limits on social gatherings and business occupancies.

In South Dakota, Noem has cast doubt on whether wearing masks in public is effective, saying that she’ll leave it up to the people to decide. She has said the virus can’t be stopped. The state’s largest medical groups recently launched a campaign to make it clear that masks work.

More people who have experienced COVID-19 firsthand, including Republicans, are calling on the government to do more.

The speaker of North Dakota’s House, Bismarck Republican Rep. Lawrence Klemin, spent four days at his 99-year-old mother’s bedside, “holding her hand and watching her die” from COVID-19. Klemin said mask-wearing needs to be enforced.

“It really was a tough thing to experience,” Klemin said of his mother’s death. “I don’t wish that to happen to anyone.”

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MacPherson reported from Bismarck, N.D. https://apnews.com/article/us-news-...north-dakota-bbb7bf37db1fc9f87044a37338e3af91
 
Why are they sending the country side Trumpistas to the Cities? They don't believe in medical care, hospitals, mask, physical distancing and the Virus is a Hoax so stay home we don't want you.
 
I hate to go low but when I see people disregard all safety and existence of any threats then want you to stick your neck out for them. City I live in is struggling with virus spread but the influx from deniers keeps pushing us to the edge. One third of the people in our hospitals are from the country side not from the city. These capitalist need to build and pay for their own hospitals not look for the socialist to care for them. These are the same people that are refunding our schools and hospitals then want to use the limited resources.

Bidenist will fair much better and will not invade the country side.
 
ZeroEm said:
City I live in is struggling with virus spread but the influx from deniers keeps pushing us to the edge. One third of the people in our hospitals are from the country side not from the city. These capitalist need to build and pay for their own hospitals not look for the socialist to care for them.

Good point.

The red necks are always screaming about high taxes and big gov., but they expect expensive health care without paying their fair of taxes. Just like the empty flyover states want the populous states to pay for more than their share of their roads and infrastructure. Why should the cities pay for what they don't use?
 
What? You guys are done lying about this already? The big super spreader has been all the rioting. Won't be as many Antifa to lock up because some of them have already driven up the Covid death count.

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-coronavirus-cases-south-dakota
Nineteen percent of the 1.4 million new coronavirus cases in the U.S. between Aug. 2 and Sept. 2 can be traced back to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally held in South Dakota, according to researchers from San Diego State University's Center for Health Economics & Policy Studies.

That's more than 266,000 coronavirus cases attributed to the 10-day event, which more than 460,000 people attended despite fears it could become a so-called super-spreader event.

"We conclude that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generated public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion," the researchers wrote in a paper. "This is enough to have paid each of the estimated 462,182 rally attendees $26,553.64 not to attend."
 
Wow, you're saying that as much as 81% could well be attributed to Antifa for that stretch. Do you think there were over 400,000 rioters?

Minnesota, alone how many rioters? Over $$2 billion damage and how many rioters to get it? That's BEFORE the Covid costs of their rioting. If only all the Democratic Governors hadn't ordered coverups of all the cases caused by the riots and had let the hospitals record the information. We'd then know which of the estimates that dwarf Sturgis is right. The cops sure see a spike in cases after a riot.

Think of all the Covid cases the left would have caused if they saw Trump winning. Antifa might be pretty much DEAD by now.

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e-beach said:
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https://www.foxnews.com/health/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-coronavirus-cases-south-dakota
Nineteen percent of the 1.4 million new coronavirus cases in the U.S. between Aug. 2 and Sept. 2 can be traced back to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally held in South Dakota, according to researchers from San Diego State University's Center for Health Economics & Policy Studies.

That's more than 266,000 coronavirus cases attributed to the 10-day event, which more than 460,000 people attended despite fears it could become a so-called super-spreader event.

"We conclude that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generated public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion," the researchers wrote in a paper. "This is enough to have paid each of the estimated 462,182 rally attendees $26,553.64 not to attend."

Sturgis is mainly Doctors, Lawyers and Accountants now :lol:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/07/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-what-know-masks-attendance-rules/3321223001/
 
Soon if not already, many Bidenette supporters that were in big victory celebration crowds will be in the same boat.
Not only that, Democratic states had major cases of covid, then that covid spread across the country like a wild fire with state senators leaving businesses open just for a vote.
 
Outdoors, keep moving, really much much smaller odds.

Indoors is the killer: restaurants, churches, gyms. . .

The more people in the space the more dangerous, exponentially!

High-volume ventilation, 5-6 full air exchanges per hour with the outdoors helps a bit, but crazy expensive.
 
Gretchen Whitmar is making her move: THIS is her chance to gain POWER. She's making everyone take names. If you were there, SHE will know. We'll never know who her botox doctor is, (Luckily I'll avoid ALL botox doctors, not just hers. But ewwwww.) but she'll know everything, EVERYTHING about people in Michigan. And she will USE it. . . .
 
Never heard of Gretchen Whitmar before.
We will see what Sundar Pichai has to say about her. Ah yes, Gretchen was on the television singing 'peace and love' after that failed attempt by some militia. To soon to see what prison term those crazies get. In other news, Canada's Ryder van "terrorist" Alek Minassian, 28 is in court, claiming NCR. Meanwhile speaking of politics, more recent attack on said politician gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau (Born in Quebec, held dual Libyan-Canadian citizenship) on October 22, 2014 attacked our precious Parliament Hill that left one person dead and raised questions about parliamentary security while also sparking a national debate over the nature of terrorism. Thankfully no trial for Zehaf.


Dauntless said:
Gretchen Whitmar is making her move: THIS is her chance to gain POWER. She's making everyone take names. If you were there, SHE will know. We'll never know who her botox doctor is, (Luckily I'll avoid ALL botox doctors, not just hers. But ewwwww.) but she'll know everything, EVERYTHING about people in Michigan. And she will USE it. . . .
 
i was at the marina yesterday working on the boat and a French Gypsy that was high as a kite came to say high, could barely understand him, it was his 59th birthday so i was being nice and trying to understand what the heck he was saying but i needed to work, he said the world was ending, the virus is gonna kill everyone. i laughed and said, oh no i already had it, its not a big deal and that was it, he was gone :lol:
i havent had it but i keep finding all these benefits of The Covid
 
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