Will you have to pay a carbon tax on your pet?

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I wouldn't put it past our elected officials to charge some sort of dog/cat food tax to offset the carbon pawprint of your animal. Heck I would vote for it, I do not have a pet, so it's no skin off my back.

By TANYA KATTERNS – The Dominion Post

Save the planet: time to eat dog?

The eco-pawprint of a pet dog is twice that of a 4.6-litre Land Cruiser driven 10,000 kilometres a year, researchers have found.

Victoria University professors Brenda and Robert Vale, architects who specialise in sustainable living, say pet owners should swap cats and dogs for creatures they can eat, such as chickens or rabbits, in their provocative new book Time to Eat the Dog: The real guide to sustainable living.

The couple have assessed the carbon emissions created by popular pets, taking into account the ingredients of pet food and the land needed to create them.

“If you have a German shepherd or similar-sized dog, for example, its impact every year is exactly the same as driving a large car around,” Brenda Vale said.

“A lot of people worry about having SUVs but they don’t worry about having Alsatians and what we are saying is, well, maybe you should be because the environmental impact … is comparable.”

In a study published in New Scientist, they calculated a medium dog eats 164 kilograms of meat and 95kg of cereals every year. It takes 43.3 square metres of land to produce 1kg of chicken a year. This means it takes 0.84 hectares to feed Fido.

They compared this with the footprint of a Toyota Land Cruiser, driven 10,000km a year, which uses 55.1 gigajoules (the energy used to build and fuel it). One hectare of land can produce 135 gigajoules a year, which means the vehicle’s eco-footprint is 0.41ha – less than half of the dog’s.

They found cats have an eco-footprint of 0.15ha – slightly less than a Volkswagen Golf. Hamsters have a footprint of 0.014ha – keeping two of them is equivalent to owning a plasma TV.

Professor Vale says the title of the book is meant to shock, but the couple, who do not have a cat or dog, believe the reintroduction of non-carnivorous pets into urban areas would help slow down global warming.

“The title of the book is a little bit of a shock tactic, I think, but though we are not advocating eating anyone’s pet cat or dog there is certainly some truth in the fact that if we have edible pets like chickens for their eggs and meat, and rabbits and pigs, we will be compensating for the impact of other things on our environment.”

Professor Vale took her message to Wellington City Council last year, but councillors said banning traditional pets or letting people keep food animals in their homes were not acceptable options.

[Gee, ya think?]

Kelly Jeffery, a Paraparaumu german shepherd breeder who once owned a large SUV, said eliminating traditional pets was “over the top”.

“I think we need animals because they are a positive in our society. We can all make little changes to reduce carbon footprints but without pointing the finger at pets, which are part of family networks.”

Owning rabbits is legal anywhere. Local bodies allow chickens, with some restrictions.

Deron.
 
How's this compare with a dog just kinda running around in the wild, I wonder...
 
The real solution is simple:

Everybody simply should :lol: plant trees and grasses on the former sites of their homes and work places,
and then destroy the entire human species via a virus or cyanide, etc,


and let the dogs and cows and horses come home again.


:arrow: DOWN WITH SUV SOCCER MOMS.
UP WITH WOLVES: they are safer for the envronment!


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hear Drew draw forth the future from 1945

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No need for such drastic actions! Just do this with your pets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2274995/Cow-farts-collected-in-plastic-tank-for-global-warming-study.html
:shock: :roll: :D
 
paultrafalgar said:
No need for such drastic actions! Just do this with your pets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2274995/Cow-farts-collected-in-plastic-tank-for-global-warming-study.html
:shock: :roll: :D
That's nassssty :lol:

I say, plant a Pear son tree to-day, instead!........................................................
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Step two:
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Step three:
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paultrafalgar said:
No need for such drastic actions! Just do this with your pets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2274995/Cow-farts-collected-in-plastic-tank-for-global-warming-study.html
:shock: :roll: :D


If I saw a cow with a bag of farts on it's back, it would be impossible for me to keep from igniting it.
 
liveforphysics said:
paultrafalgar said:
No need for such drastic actions! Just do this with your pets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2274995/Cow-farts-collected-in-plastic-tank-for-global-warming-study.html
:shock: :roll: :D


If I saw a cow with a bag of farts on it's back, it would be impossible for me to keep from igniting it.
(Stammering....wha, wha, what's the result of that, though?)

H20 and CO and CO2 and another rack of baby back ribs.

I love Tony Roma's!

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8)
 
liveforphysics said:
If I saw a cow with a bag of farts on it's back, it would be impossible for me to keep from igniting it.

bwahahaha ...same

All the greenies and tree huggers jumping up and down about ICE cars damaging the environment Cows are far worse
Lets get rid of them (not before i have frozen a life time supply of t-Bones though) the we can happily drive around in our 6 litre V8s WOOTz... :p :p :p :p

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-cosub2sub-from-cars-427843.html

KiM
 
As far as greenhouse gas goes, the rainforest and wetland areas make all human greenhouse gas emmisions seem like a sliver of the pie.

If humans want to do something about greenhouse gas, slash and burn the rainforests, and dredge or drain wetland marsh areas.

Obviously no one would support that, but realisticly, it's the only signifigant impact humans could make on reduction of greenhouse gas emmisions.

Burn all the rainforests, releaseing all the sinked carbon into CO2, and it only takes a few years before you've broken even by the methane reduction from the rot on the forest floor, and 2-3 years later, and you will have stopped more greenhouse gas than the entire human race and all it's doings as released.
 
Allways cracks me up how people who want to save the planet want to start by making a compost pile. Lets turn that carbon into methane instead of sequestering it in a landfill. ( In my climate, it just mummifies in a landfill)

Who says you can't eat dog? I used to live in a native american community. I definitely had my suspicions when my dog disapeared. People from all over town would go and dump litters of puppies and kittens there and we constantly had feral cats everywhere but no dogs at all. A couple of mine would make good eating, but of course to me it would be like eating my own child.

Just imagine the carbon footprint of your kids! I have always figured my real contribution to the world was that I never reproduced. ( who needs more of me anyway) I feel like that diliberate act alone makes up for the rest of the stuff I do, like the hot air ballooning, keeping big dogs, etc. Btw, my dogs don't reproduce either.
 
I'm not a carbon-footprint activist or protester, but many are taking this opportunity to push their own agenda. An electronically fuel-injected V8 with a catalytic converter is cleaner than a one-cylinder carbureted lawn-mower. But Al Gore flies in a private jet over his estate that has its acres of grass mowed by the lowest bidder, using 2-strokes to trim the edges...

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I wondering, when will it be the first time we walk out of a store, while looking at our receipt, thinking "what the hell is this tax here at the bottom"?

Added CT of .066% for...

Deron.
 
Ha ha ha to all the funsters above.

Have more cures!

Luke will kindly correct any mis-speaks I may make.

=Let's convert the earth from carbon spewing terrible-everything, to silicon-based non-life forms,
such as Grand Canyon: Nuke all.

=Let our biologists and scientists bring forth alien life forms that never die nor decompose, to sequester carbon?
Alternately, let us pave over The Everglades. You know, she who saved the 'Glades from drainage wrote her book,
River of Grass, just about one block away from here, as the parrot flies. SHE was the original great ecologist.
If not for her work, begun in the 1940's, we'd have no Everglades, and Florida would be truly, as like most of California.
But that would not be so good: it would become here, more and more Repelican, with all of them praying for rain,
and building little gutters into roof lines to collect rainwater for meager drinking (for we'd have no groundwater).
And we could then build huge desalinization plants, for, seawater is abundant, ringing the State of Floridiota with O2-spewing
blue-green waters. I think that most of the carbon of former life is sequestered as slime at the bottom of the oceans?

And again, I question the whole "greenhouse" effect, though clearly, CO2 traps heat.
I happen to like to be a part of the bi-cycle of life; a compliment to the posies,
particularly after I die and can help to push-up a few of the latter, later.

WORST OF ALL IF "THEY" have their way: NO MORE:
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ON THE GOOD SIDE, if we fix the prime cause of carbon spewing:
no more "reid". And EFFFO gives forth NO CO too!

Bottom Line: CAP REID because he caps himself too much, anyway.
Gunsmoke and bans-aides (tm)

:p
 
What is the CO/CO2 "carbon footprint" of a volcano without a catalytic converter?...(Mt St Helens, Mt Pinatubo, Tambora, Krakatoa, Vesuvius, etc)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano

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After reading the replies here, I come to the conclusion that most of you are not convinced of the whole man-made greenhouse gas problem.

So, are you aware that the energy bill passed this past summer by the US house of representatives has cap and trade legislation in it? It is still awaiting action in the Senate.

You can find stories about it everywhere, but I will use PBS since most liberal folks lend credibility to that source:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/jan-june09/emissions_05-22.html

...and new global treaties are being proposed because the US did not sign Kyoto, so new attempts are being made to sucker the primary target into signing away a huge wealth transfer.

http://www.un.org/wcm/content/site/climatechange/lang/en/pages/2009summit

...So, if it is all bull, then why the huge push to cripple the world?
 
spinningmagnets said:
What is the CO/CO2 "carbon footprint" of a volcano without a catalytic converter?...(Mt St Helens, Mt Pinatubo, Tambora, Krakatoa, Vesuvius, etc)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano

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I'm not sure, but they go onto say that volcanoes typically decrease the temperature of the earth for the few years following due to sulfide compounds that partially reflect solar rays back into space.
 
Tom Tom said:
Its them damn dinosaurs.......they started it all.........
OH hell's belles (nottatypo):

WE are a bunch of PUNDITS.

I wonder why pundits gather here?
It appears to be a compulsion....


Am no exception, but rather, a proof of this rule,
by posting so much about so much and with so much injected personal opinion.

The BBC, for opposite example, would never have a "Drew Pearson" as its third most powerful man of its nation

#1 here would be, at that time: FDR
#2 the closeted tranny homo, President Controller: J. Edgar Hoover, who destroyed anyone who impeded his Conservative agenda.
#3 for nigh onto fifty years: Pearson, the most powerful and opinionated, not evil, but vile-enough, journalist of the USA.
Happens to be my first cousin; but you knew that.

Q: why are we All the ways we are, personality-wise? I say it is nature more so than nurture.
NORMAL PEOPLE do not hang out at forums and opine, or even "show and share" their ebike adventures.

I will start another thread. Tell about Pearson. The truth as I know it to be.
You'd be surprised...not.

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Am a documentarian; I do not know quite why.
Father was not like this at all.
Have a dozen YT accounts for my show and share efforts.

Latest viddy was made last night and it was not made, really, except to
A) answer a respondent's blurry question
B) learn how to use (have not yet mastered) a new, cheap "HD" digicam.

It is not yet annotated, so you have to figure out by the images alone,
just how the Ergotron LX (not "LZ") arm has been made to give so much range of motion:

Ya' just bend two little steel tabs outta' th' way, Blanche!
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~~~~~~~~~little petals of pretty flowers to rot, and so-add free carbon, back into the air that plants breathe~~~~~


Absolutely off track, demo of one year ago of the near-new monitor arm,
lousy camera (Panasonic TZ5) made me sound like a lisper. breathe less airZ*
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point: get this arm for you monitor. do not compute for hours from a regular chair.
compute in comfort, for comfort and for your circulatory health. Lafuma-type chair rules,
but does not rock. now, a year later, last night, new camera, and:

A Terrible It Snot Much Video
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it will be understood that "it's not about me". I don't care about the little things,
like a cluttered workspace. I have not the strength these days to de-mess this garage.
And so I sat there last night making test shots, and thought: I need to answer this guy's question,
and if I do that: pictures are the best way. BLAME DREW, not me. It's an obsession, genetic trait,
inherited. That man, in real life, so far as I know (very little) was a son of a bitch, honest as could be,
but heartless and remorseless in his destruction of anyone he thought was any enemy of free speech, or a corruption of power.
In his being a power, himself, he was not a corrupter, but was made unclean by the very "muck" that he raked,
as if composting would cleanse all of the air. He was sued over fifty times for defamation, but never lost a case.
Forrestal, did, however, jump out of a window, thanks to Drew. And Pearson ensured that Preston Tucker's (motor car, futuristic)
nascent dream, would die, because Drew reported, innocently, some false-planted information about that company's financial underpinnings.


*tips to reduce personal CO2 output:
respiratory depressants. couch potato. overdose on diazepam. sleep.
do not eat much at all. eat only vegetable matters, preferably mushrooms from the rear lawn.
do not hallucinate or die in result? hth


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Sorry to crash the party. I hesitate to point out what should be obvious, but all the carbon in cow farts was recently pulled out of the atmosphere by the grass or corn the cow was eating... unlike the carbon in fossil fuels and volcanoes. Rain forests are both a source and sink of carbon.

It's true that the amount of carbon coming from rotting vegetation in a given year dwarfs anthropogenic CO2. But when those rotting plants were alive, they were pulling all that CO2 out of the atmosphere. It's a cycle that probably takes hundreds or thousands of years to reach equilibrium. The only new carbon in the cycle comes from volcanoes and from burning fossil fuels. Atmospheric CO2 has been rising, because the new carbon isn't getting taken out of the atmosphere as quickly as it's being put in.

Volcanic CO2 output is less than 1% of what comes from burning fossil fuels.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15.html

OK, serious cat's outta here, now that all the arguments above have been demolished. You can all get back to reassuring each other that everything's fine and even if its not there's nothing we can do about it anyway.
 
TPA said:
After reading the replies here, I come to the conclusion that most of you are not convinced of the whole man-made greenhouse gas problem.
.....

...So, if it is all bull, then why the huge push to cripple the world?

The problem is that there is so much "misinformation" put about, by both sides of the argument. The average person isn't going to be willing to figure it out, though you would expect better of ES members.

The OP in this thread is a typical example. It is utter bollocks; the calculation isn't comparing like with like. Its easily reduced to absurdity - if your pet is so dangerous, then your children must be even more so. And what about you yourself?

Just for the record, while no-one can yet point to significant unambiguous global warming
1) the increase in atmospheric CO2 due to human activities is clear
2) the science of CO2 causing a greenhouse effect is sound
3) the theoretical modelling that says this will be significant rather than trivial appears to be sound
So would you bet against it?

Nick
 
Well said.
OK, serious cat's outta here, now that all the arguments above have been demolished.
You can all get back to reassuring each other that everything's fine
and even if its not there's nothing we can do about it anyway
.
Well said.



I further predict

more of the "back to nature"
movement in the future:

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TUNE IN next Twensday night at seven PM, local time,
for more of my same shite.


Drew
 
Tiberius said:
TPA said:
Just for the record, while no-one can yet point to significant unambiguous global warming
1) the increase in atmospheric CO2 due to human activities is clear
2) the science of CO2 causing a greenhouse effect is sound
3) the theoretical modelling that says this will be significant rather than trivial appears to be sound
So would you bet against it?

Nick

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/h-leighton-steward-ten-myths-about-co2/

global warming seems to be the 21st century earth is flat versus round argument of centuries ago...........
 
Tom Tom said:
global warming seems to be the 21st century earth is flat versus round argument of centuries ago....
Yeah?
Well, by the time we find out for sure, we, the Sentients of the world, may as well be pancakes, ourselves.

Wolves like pancakes. Blood is their favourite syrup.

Drew, drawn.r
 
I read on a poorly sourced blog that modern science is bogus.

Ergo, my lifestyle choices have no impact on me or my descendants.

When droughts & floods occur, triggering genocidal events that make Darfur look like a drive to Disneyworld, I plan on blaming Al Gore. Since he doesn't walk as his sole form of locomotion, he must be a lyer.

Anybody check out the high tides this year on the Atlantic coast?
 
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