ZOMBIES

[kriskros]

people walking around listening on headphones...vacant stares. right.out of it...even worse...teens,mostly,texting...totalt oblivious to the real world...i saw one teen walk right acroos a road without looking up...he was lucky, a car just missed him,but i dont yhink he even reralized it.. funniest one was two teens walking right into each other...i wonder why more of them dont get killed

 

[e-beach]

people walking around listening on headphones...vacant stares. right.out of it...even worse...teens,mostly,texting...totalt oblivious to the real world...i saw one teen walk right acroos a road without looking up...he was lucky, a car just missed him,but i dont yhink he even reralized it.. funniest one was two teens walking right into each other...i wonder why more of them dont get killed

Yea, and then when you are right on top of them they give you the surprised dear-in-the-headlights look and say "Oh" from the shock of seeing someone else in the world. :lol:

I got them all over the sidewalks around here.

 

[Dauntless]

Did they eat anybody?

 

[oatnet]

BRAINS!
:lol: :lol: : :lol:

 

[Kingfish]

Or when you pass them riding ebikes. I ring the little people bell but they still soil themselves when I pass. Who's fault is that?

Obviously eating their brains would cause a fellow zombie to starve from lack of nutrition

It's only a matter of time before we can declare open season - bag and tag them for shark feeds...

Chum the waters, KF

 

[Kent]

they're everywhere-it comes as a shock to see one without their nose stuck in one.

I wonder how they would react if we did get a solar flare, the lights won't come on, the stores remain closed and none of their precious electronics would even turn on.

Do you think they could cope?

 

[bowlofsalad]

Sorry to be a buzz kill but, Is ageism really necessary? Say what you want, I won't try and stop you, but ageism is a sad idea to follow.

Complain all you want about ignorant walkers, but that is nothing worth pondering about compared with a cell phone using (texting or talking) car driver.

 

[e-beach]

Sorry to be a buzz kill but, Is ageism really necessary? Say what you want, I won't try and stop you, but ageism is a sad idea to follow. Complain all you want about ignorant walkers, but that is nothing worth pondering about compared with a cell phone using (texting or talking) car driver.

OH-OH....touched a nerve did we? :lol:

It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with being oblivious to the point of zombie like behavior. I had one yesterday whom was in his 30's, ear plugs in his ears, looking down at his "device" and despite my yelling at him to be "careful" he nearly walked himself right into my front tire before he saw it, then jumping out of his skin upon seeing me directly in front of him.

In my city is is legal to ride on the sidewalks as long as you are doing it "safely." It this case I was as far right as I could go (as drivers around here drive and ride on the right side of the road.) He on the other hand had drifted as far to his left (my right) and was nowhere near the side of the sidewalk he should have been walking on to pass safely.

Being used to the zombies in my city I had seen this one coming and was slowing down to the point on near standstill and yelling "careful".....Careful!" But this zombie was just too plugged in for his own good and saw me only at the last moment.

He may have had to throw away his shorts. :lol:

 

[bowlofsalad]

Sorry to be a buzz kill but, Is ageism really necessary? Say what you want, I won't try and stop you, but ageism is a sad idea to follow. Complain all you want about ignorant walkers, but that is nothing worth pondering about compared with a cell phone using (texting or talking) car driver.

OH-OH....touched a nerve did we? :lol:

It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with being oblivious to the point of zombie like behavior. I had one yesterday whom was in his 30's, ear plugs in his ears, looking down at his "device" and despite my yelling at him to be "careful" he nearly walked himself right into my front tire before he saw it, then jumping out of his skin upon seeing me directly in front of him.

In my city is is legal to ride on the sidewalks as long as you are doing it "safely." It this case I was as far right as I could go (as drivers around here drive and ride on the right side of the road.) He on the other hand had drifted as far to his left (my right) and was nowhere near the side of the sidewalk he should have been walking on to pass safely.

Being used to the zombies in my city I had seen this one coming and was slowing down to the point on near standstill and yelling "careful".....Careful!" But this zombie was just too plugged in for his own good and saw me only at the last moment.

He may have had to throw away his shorts. :lol:

Cool story.

It might be legal to smoke tobacco cigarettes around people who don't smoke, but it doesn't make those people any less of a POS when they do so. The same goes for riding on the side walk, I don't recommend riding on the sidewalk unless a sidewalk is more of a wide path and less of a sidewalk. I suggest you pass with extreme caution (this means going slowly), give as much space as possible, and assume everyone you pass is blind, deaf, and likely to start jumping and rolling around like they are on fire at any moment. Guess that anyone walking will have zero respect for you, expect nothing from someone walking on a path and you won't be so upset and disappointed. Just be glad they didn't start swinging at you with rage or something, that is how I feel and I love every person I pass for it.

I am aware that anyone of any age can be ignorant and oblivious to their surroundings this is a partial catalyst to why I made my comment. So, my comment about ageism related to specifically what OP said, "even worse...teens,mostly,texting". You can read about ageism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism here.

"Ageism, or age discrimination is stereotyping and discriminating against individuals or groups because of their age. It is a set of beliefs, attitudes, norms, and values used to justify age based prejudice, discrimination, and subordination. This may be casual or systematic. The term was coined in 1969 by Robert Neil Butler to describe discrimination against seniors, and patterned on sexism and racism. Butler defined Ageism as a combination of three connected elements. Among them were prejudicial attitudes towards older people, old age, and the aging process; discriminatory practices against older people; and institutional practices and policies that perpetuate stereotypes about older people. The term has also been used to describe prejudice and discrimination against adolescents and children, including ignoring their ideas because they are too young, or assuming that they should behave in certain ways because of their age."

I am in agreement that lots of people are painfully disrespectful and incredibly ignorant and oblivious to their surroundings. But I am in disagreement that teens or anyone of any age, gender, race should be singled out as the greatest culprits of this negative behavior. As I tried to suggest, the worst of it isn't a 13 year old walking around with their eyes glued to a cell phone, the worst is a 25 year old driving while using a cell phone. I can live with zombie walkers, I might not be able to survive zombie drivers.

 

[e-beach]

Cool story.

It might be legal to smoke tobacco cigarettes around people who don't smoke, but it doesn't make those people any less of a POS when they do so. The same goes for riding on the side walk, I don't recommend riding on the sidewalk unless a sidewalk is more of a wide path and less of a sidewalk.

Your obviously don't live around here where the afternoon traffic is so bad the only safe place for a cyclist is on the sidewalk. So before calling someone a POS, ride around their city for a while first. :wink:

I suggest you pass with extreme caution (this means going slowly), give as much space as possible, and assume everyone you pass is blind, deaf, and likely to start jumping and rolling around like they are on fire at any moment. Guess that anyone walking will have zero respect for you, expect nothing from someone walking on a path and you won't be so upset and disappointed. Just be glad they didn't start swinging at you with rage or something, that is how I feel and I love every person I pass for it.

Nice lecture Dad, but did I say I was going slowly? But on the other hand, I am so glad you are so full of love for your fellow man.

I am in agreement that lots of people are painfully disrespectful and incredibly ignorant and oblivious to their surroundings. But I am in disagreement that teens or anyone of any age, gender, race should be singled out as the greatest culprits of this negative behavior. As I tried to suggest, the worst of it isn't a 13 year old walking around with their eyes glued to a cell phone, the worst is a 25 year old driving while using a cell phone. I can live with zombie walkers, I might not be able to survive zombie drivers.

If they are older they should know better, but some don't.

But, have you ever had a young zombie walker so surprised to hear you coming from behind that he spun around, arms flailing only to back-hand you in the nose so hard that your nose gushed blood even before you hit the ground having been knocked off your bike? That happened to me some years ago while I was peddling a road bike on my local bike path. So why was the kid walking on the bicycle path? Because he was a dumb-kid zombie-walking where he shouldn't have been walking. So you can't say kids don't zombie-walk. It happens every day.

In the end I suppose you right that kids shouldn't be singled as the only zombie walkers, we all have zombie-drivers story's, it is just that with the modern texting and ear-plugging, head-phoning behavior kids are more likely to be the culprit zombie-walkers.

 

[Dauntless]

Yikes! Obama is obviously in session on this one.

So I'm rereading 'Berlin Diary,' just the selected entries of a journalist in Europe from 1934-40, experienced all the censorship, the anger directed at anything aside from the official position, etc. Published in time for the Blitzkrieg. Just so happens today I hit the part where Germany invades Poland and makes the press release of the world just has to be understanding while Germany kills or blows up whatever is it it's path as it takes whatever it wants from them. Zombies would have been a good word for them to have used, where it prevalent at the time. But they had plenty of derogatory terms of their own.

Dang, I was in gradeschool the first time, too young to really understand what it all meant. You get what I mean?

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[liveforphysics]

If they are older they should know better, but some don't.

I would have to say, at least in my encounters/experience, the younger folks seem to doing a lot more thinking for themselves than the older folks who have largely shaped there lives into being ideal little worker-bee's just existing in a careful manner until it's their time to take a dirt nap.

Younger people I talk to generally seem to have dreams/goals/passion/drive, and the smarter ones regularly challenge any authority-like construct, which is nice to see they aren't living in quite at strong of pseudo-reality as the folks buying into the control illusion.

To me, walking is boring. If I'm walking somewhere, odds are I'm playing on my phone. If that results in my premature death, so be it. It's not like anyone is coming out of this game alive or with more than whatever experiences they managed to gather.

The internet is real and a real part of the real world we live in. That's difficult for some people to understand sometimes, when they insist someone is only participating in the "real world" if they are currently engrossed in whatever there current physical surroundings happen to be at that moment (which may or may not be of any interest to a person, it often is of no interest to me where I am, as my thoughts/mind may be deeply engaged in other thoughts/places.)

 

[slacker]

I think people of all age's should be aware of their surrounding's regardless if they are playing on their phone's or just plain old boring walking.the people i work with think work is conducted one handed as they alway's have the phone in one hand.I find it extremly disrespectful when you are talking with someone and they are constantly looking at the phone and can not give you their full attention.maybe i am just old but that is my opinion.

 

[MikeFairbanks]

Ageism against teenagers is perfectly fair. Their hormones are in control, not logic and reasoning. Sure, they are capable of logic and reasoning (and some let that dominate. They eventually go on to start Apple, etc.), but most teens are just whacked in the head. I bet if you gave ten-year-olds a driver's license, they would drive with more caution and have a better safety record than 16-year-olds.

Another reason to harp on teenagers is that this nation (the USA) discriminates heavily against anyone over 29 in the media. The actors and rock stars get younger and younger. Conversly, the talent gets worse and worse.

Guys like Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, etc. wouldn't stand a chance in today's market if they weren't already established.

Just my opinion.

Someone like Susan Boyle would never happen in America. It doesn't matter what level of talent you have. The day you turn 30 in the USA, no amount of talent will get you on MTV.

Think on that for a minute. Name a rock star in the USA who was discovered and signed to a major record label who was 30 or older.

 

[Kingfish]

Prescription
My M.O. is to:

• Close the front door
• Take my smart phone and plug in the ear bugs
• Make sure I don't trip over the wire or garrote myself in some other fashion by securing the extra length
• Music starts to play my favorite playlist...
• Place the phone in my pocket - and never look at it again - except maybe to adjust the volume...
• Start walking to the pub.
• When I get to the pub, unplug and socialize.
• If there's no one to talk to - check ES for updates :wink:

That's it man. The phone has no other use. If I get a call, great! If I'm in the pub and my pal texts' me that we'll meet up at XYZ, great! Rarely do I make a call - cos I yam independent, or I yam meeting up with my pals and it's all good. No need to have my face buried in a device when walking - that's just lame.

Maybe I feel that way cos I'm surrounded by it all the time. When I'm off work - I'm off man! Off to have a beer. Off to ride my ebike! Off to raise some hell (if I can get away with it)! Off for peace of mind. Just leave the damned thing off ~ and smell the roses.

It's off now cos... I'm ON the computer
More beer... <slurp> KF

 

[bowlofsalad]

Ageism against teenagers is perfectly fair. Their hormones are in control, not logic and reasoning. Sure, they are capable of logic and reasoning (and some let that dominate. They eventually go on to start Apple, etc.), but most teens are just whacked in the head. I bet if you gave ten-year-olds a driver's license, they would drive with more caution and have a better safety record than 16-year-olds.

Another reason to harp on teenagers is that this nation (the USA) discriminates heavily against anyone over 29 in the media. The actors and rock stars get younger and younger. Conversly, the talent gets worse and worse.

Guys like Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, etc. wouldn't stand a chance in today's market if they weren't already established.

Just my opinion.

Someone like Susan Boyle would never happen in America. It doesn't matter what level of talent you have. The day you turn 30 in the USA, no amount of talent will get you on MTV.

Think on that for a minute. Name a rock star in the USA who was discovered and signed to a major record label who was 30 or older.

This is what I hear from you. This isn't a joke, meant to be mean or cruel, sarcastic or anything of the sort.

"Because people of one age are discriminated against, it's more than ok for people of another age to be discriminated against. Basically if anyone is discriminated against, everyone should and must be as well."

I am aware that there is age discrimination, I am not just saying it's wrong for young people to be discriminated against. The idea I am speaking about is ageism, the context happens to be related to teens because of what was said in this thread.

By your logic, if someone was treated poorly and unfairly anywhere, I should be able to treat you poorly and unfairly without incident and call it fair.

Here is another way of defining your logic, if people of one color are discriminated against, it's ok for every color to be discriminated against.

My perspective and suggestion is, don't be prejudice, don't discriminate, be fair and respectful.

The truth is, humans generally do a poor job at tasks they have never done before. When they consider raising the license age to 18 or higher, it won't make those drivers who only get their license at the age of 18 any wiser or better at driving. I didn't start doing well at various tasks because I became older. I started doing well at tasks because I practiced, how old I am has no relevance to the idea, just like how old a person is has to relevance to paying attention to your immediate surroundings.

 

[LeftieBiker]

This is one reason why I have a 'Mega Bicycle Horn', aka 'The Angry 50lb Squirrel Box'. It doesn't really sound like a vehicle horn, but at least it sounds like something a Zombie (pedestrian or motorist variety) would want to avoid, and it's fairly loud. I put a 9v lithium battery in it, and feel a little safer. I do yell "Heads up!" if I think pedestrian I'm approaching is actually sentient, but it's nice to have the Big Squirrel Button anyway.

 

[Arlo1]

If I see them when I'm driving I like to shift to neutral and coast up on them then floor it. This works exceptionally well in the Road Runner with a hi revving 440 right in there ears. I have had well over 10 people jump right off the sidewalk by doing this and at least 5 not land on their feet. I have made over 50 women (usually cute ones) scream in terror lol. So fun... Yup I think its time to insure the Bird for a few months again.

I agree with luke somewhat... If it was not for ES I would still think gas was the answer... and I would not know how to build a controller, if it was not for the net... I would not have 1/4 the talent I have worked to try to perfect.

But it is good to go clear your head in nature once in a while for this I use a bicycle or climb a mountain on foot or MX bike...

 

[Dauntless]

If I see them when I'm driving I like to shift to neutral and coast up on them then floor it. This works exceptionally well in the Road Runner with a hi revving 440 right in there ears. I have had well over 10 people jump right off the sidewalk by doing this and at least 5 not land on their feet. I have made over 50 women (usually cute ones) scream in terror lol. So fun...

VIDEO! We need VIDEO!!!!

 

[kriskros]

i am 86 and i like the teens,some of them anyway....especialy those who are about 17 to 19...thats about when they start to think,not just emote... riding my wood bike does attract a lot of attention..adults mostly just say..thats different,,,looks good.. ilike it ect.and maybe take a picture... many of the teens ask some very thoughtfull questions... two youngsterd recedntly asked if they could take GOOD look...after a few minutes one said"thanks ,i wanted to see how you desingned the steering tube setup to make wood and metal work and stay together...very good.. the other asked how icould mount a round steel BB in wood and stop it from twisting...there are some very good young minds out there that just need the time and,hopefully,the opportunity to develop...GOOD LUCK TO THEM
'

 

[bowlofsalad]

i am 86 and i like the teens,some of them anyway....especialy those who are about 17 to 19...thats about when they start to think,not just emote... riding my wood bike does attract a lot of attention..adults mostly just say..thats different,,,looks good.. ilike it ect.and maybe take a picture... many of the teens ask some very thoughtfull questions... two youngsterd recedntly asked if they could take GOOD look...after a few minutes one said"thanks ,i wanted to see how you desingned the steering tube setup to make wood and metal work and stay together...very good.. the other asked how icould mount a round steel BB in wood and stop it from twisting...there are some very good young minds out there that just need the time and,hopefully,the opportunity to develop...GOOD LUCK TO THEM
'

I think most humans are born extremely curious and creative, many get that beat out of them in educational systems. They turn into parrots that might do well in repetitive tasks and remembering information. We still very much are educating and training people with the idea of labor oriented tasks in mind rather than robotics and automation.

They don't teach them how to think or see things in school.

 

[MikeFairbanks]

I actually don't discriminate against whippersnappers (in fact, I'm a teacher of youngsters and hooligans).

I was just ranting, because my country (USA) is horrible in the way they discriminate against people who are middle aged or senior citizens. It's hard to not be bitter about it, especially since the Europeans and Hispanic cultures have a much healthier attitude about age than Americans. The Japanese are good to their elders too. I'm not familiar with all the cultures, but I'm obviously familiar with my own.

Age discrimination has gotten so bad that it's a running joke that 30-plus women can't get into clubs at night, and unless you're a country music artist or an author, you're washed up at 30 (in terms of art).

These days every guy who is my age or older is a "creep" or "stalker." Those words are thrown around so casually these days that you can't do anything without people getting freaked out. This applies to my hobby of photography. I no longer use a large DSLR because a middle aged man with a large camera is "scary" and "creepy." I simply got tired of people hassling me because I was taking photos in public. I never aimed it at people, but I still got hassled. A point and shoot, however, doesn't seem to phase anyone.

It's really a drag.

It probably came from 9-11. It was an event meant to terrorize us, and the vast majority of Americans were more than willing to oblige. I remember a woman in my neighborhood who told me after 9-11, "I'm terrified."

Mission accomplished, Al Queda. You knew us well.

 

[bowlofsalad]

"Age discrimination has gotten so bad that it's a running joke that 30-plus women can't get into clubs at night," What a terrible injustice! Call the papers! Is it possible that age isn't strictly related to the filtering of certain people from night clubs? I was under the impression that you had to meet a certain opinion of physical attraction to get into some night clubs, that's life, oh well. There are worse things to be excluded from. Young people are excluded all the time from all kinds of things, how fair is it that they cannot go into any bars or night clubs at all? You've got to be 21 in most of this situations.

You could say you are part of the problem Mike, not part of the solution. Succumbing to the demands of those who are scared of nothing. Being bitter and seeing the world through ageism eyes, focusing your energy on how others see you based on your age is a negative perspective that won't serve you well. It wasn't the the planes that freaked people out, it was the media and how the gov reacted. When a school attack event occurs, lots of people sort of lose their mind, it isn't because the event is happening all over the place, it's because the media is dramatizing the events and using them to scare the hell out of you. The media is a for profit corporation, sex and fear sells. I almost just started on a super long rant, disaster averted. I really don't want to go down this road.

If someone starts getting upset because you are taking pictures, start taking their picture. Smile at them, see their pointless anger and talk about how beautiful they look, ask them to give a smile and so on. What are they going to do, smash your camera? If someone threatens you, walk away and report it with a picture of their face taken, they were probably screaming at you from 5 feet away right? Great shot!

 

[e-beach]

"....... Young people are excluded all the time from all kinds of things, how fair is it that they cannot go into any bars or night clubs at all? You've got to be 21 in most of this situations......

And for very good reason. The under-aged zombie-walkers become zombie drinkers.

SAMHSA looked at all of the drug-related emergency room visits made by patients under the age of 21 – nearly 440,000 in all. Of those, over 43 percent involved underage drinking (over 188,000 visits), more than all other illicit drugs combined (a total of over 186,000 visits, with marijuana being the most prominent at over 120,000 ER visits).

http://www.madd.org/blog/2013/june/new-data-on-teen-emergency.html

 

[bowlofsalad]

How precisely does an ER visit get contributed to marijuana?

Just because someone is young doesn't mean it is the cause of an unwanted behavior. The solution to poor driving isn't raising minimum license age, the solution to crazy drunks isn't raising the drinking age. 40 year old drunks do stupid stuff while drunk, by the drinking age logic, we need to raise the drinking age to 50.

Here is how it goes. Some foolish abstinence brain washer goes into a class room and tells them that they will go to hell if they have sex and that it is terrible, they also tell them crazy stories about things like marijuana and how a bunch of people over dosed and ruined their lives with man made consequences like having marijuana. Later, somehow, they have sex and smoke weed, the experience is amazing for them, so naturally they conclude that those idiots were completely full of it. Telling people the truth and approaching ideas with reality will yield tremendously better results then feeding them bullshit.

http://i.imgur.com/X54EgWn.jpg I thought this was funny.

This is contained in the article you linked to. "This means that on average, every three minutes someone under the legal drinking age in the US has to go to the emergency room because they drank underage." This is a propaganda piece, and it's ageist. People go to the ER because they did stupid because while drunk, it had nothing to do with how old they were, the same story goes for the younger variety of people. I don't know what equality will sweep the lands, maybe not in my lifetime, but few grasp ageism, and it is sad for everyone.

The bottom line here is, if you don't want to be discriminated against solely because of how old you are, then do not do so to others or support this being done by others.

People as young as 11 are tried as adults in courts. They will be tried and treated as an adult if they do something bad. But if an 11 year old should choose to do all kinds of other things, it would be seen as absurd. Personally, I think the moment someone can competently wield a knife and answer a short string of specific questions, they should be granted the 'status' of adult. Even the minimum ebike age is 16 in several states.