I'm in contact with them but here's photon thread so let's not make otUnderstandable, especially regarding the pricing. You're not interested in the ToSeven series, should they become available?
I'm in contact with them but here's photon thread so let's not make otUnderstandable, especially regarding the pricing. You're not interested in the ToSeven series, should they become available?
photon is so expensive ,at least from my perspective as I live in eastern Europe, that I'd rather save more money and buy integrated bafang than spend so much money on another convertion motor...simple for me ...I really waited for this motor but the price is ridiculous, especially that it has some issues...sorry but it seems to me that I'd would be better off buying used factory bike and invest in new battery...or second battery...
photon is simply too expensive as an interesting option for diy market from my point of view . and many ppl here in Poland shares this opinion
I will have some To7 Motors end of the month shipping allowing. Working hard with their Western representative to get some key values embraced by them in terms of serviceability, quality and warranty. Hearing lots of encouraging things though. This is some footage of the Photon unrestricted at 2000 watts. I was impressed. I really like the way this motor feels. Its a lot of fun.Understandable, especially regarding the pricing. You're not interested in the ToSeven series, should they become available?
...I was going to say, "video or it didn't happen" and figured you'd have a vid out soon. Enjoyed that, wow - ~70kph!Yeah good points with Bafang. As soon as Bafang went public and got shareholders they lost interest or were ordered to reduce interest in what made them big in the first place which is a shame. You can see it with their botched job to bring the BBSHD into the restricted family with the m625. Its unfortunate that they are taking the locked down route. CYC have very much taken the torch for this kind of conversion motor and the hard work I think is going to pay off with this family of motors. There will also be a new company bringing out some models which will address many of the issues with both the Tong Shen and the BBS02. I will look forward to revealing more on that in the next few weeks. I had a ride with the Photon unrestricted today and I was very impressed particularly with PAS set to 1500watts. People in cars were pretty surprised.
I decided on the DIY kit route after looking at just how appallingly low spec the big manufacturers bikes actually are; you pay a lot of money for even a basic big brand ebike and then heaps more if you want to move up to a halfway decent ebike. Then you are tied in to the manufacturer/dealers restrictions on service and parts and no modifications....
The way I look at buying a pre-built E-Bike is you get less on the Bike part of things usually. Good mountain bikes are very expensive now..
Also buying a used frame is a good way, but the standards for wheel spacing has changed in last 10 years. Also 26" wheels are pretty well getting phased out. So do some research and maybe look online for used bikes to see what to expect on a decent bike to build on.
i have build several ebikes and i have bought two new marin rift zone for conversion . i have ridden them with tsdz2 with great pleasure . i ride on mountain foot trails so no special bike trails and i really know how to beat bike and motor with serious mtb ... i believe i know what i need and what i want . as i said - i'd rather save more money and buy bafang integrated than spend so much money to another conversion . period . there is no way cyc gets close to any integrated motor apart from power and speed which i don't need as i do mtb climbing and downhill not flat racing . bafang motors are easily serviceable and way more robust than cyc . not comparable i'd say ...I'll tell you now. If you learn to do yourself. It will be much better.
If you have some little bit of shop space (even have seen guys rebuild entire hubs in their apartments). If it is not integrated. Now you can swap frames and kits.
If integrated runs into issues you are stuck. Nice for standardized wiring. But with some do it yourself, getting a stand alone kit. Is a lot better on the bike end of things. You end up at the mercy of the manufacture rather then being able to swap out bike parts yourself.
Even buying a used bike you like + A kit, and then a decent battery.
Learning how to rebuild or swap out bad cells in a battery will also save you money. The bike could last you 5 years + easy without a ton of maintenance.
The way I look at buying a pre-built E-Bike is you get less on the Bike part of things usually. Good mountain bikes are very expensive now..
Also buying a used frame is a good way, but the standards for wheel spacing has changed in last 10 years. Also 26" wheels are pretty well getting phased out. So do some research and maybe look online for used bikes to see what to expect on a decent bike to build on.
I went for a test ride, and other than not really missing the DS103 fine print data, I didn't notice any operation issues or real problems. The BT app still works - but then it should, being that it's run by the controller, and the antenna is in the speed sensor housing. The three assist levels seemed to behave as before when using the DS103 display.Thanks much for getting CYC's official word. I've got the 750C hooked up, set it up for three assist levels, and all of the rest of the stuff. I ran it on the stand, with the throttle, and at very brief torque assist levels. I can't road-test-ride it today, due to an injury - hopefully tomorrow, so I dunno what doesn't work correctly.
I'm not gonna like reverting back to the DS103 display.
Glad you've come to a decision, and I hope the new integrated motor e-bike is on order.i have build several ebikes and i have bought two new marin rift zone for conversion . i have ridden them with tsdz2 with great pleasure . i ride on mountain foot trails so no special bike trails and i really know how to beat bike and motor with serious mtb ... i believe i know what i need and what i want . as i said - i'd rather save more money and buy bafang integrated than spend so much money to another conversion . period . there is no way cyc gets close to any integrated motor apart from power and speed which i don't need as i do mtb climbing and downhill not flat racing . bafang motors are easily serviceable and way more robust than cyc . not comparable i'd say ...
i was hoping photon was better tsdz2 with a little higher price tag . when it's price is 5x tsdz2 and delivery time is 8-10 weeks and same for spare parts (proprietary chainring wtf) i see no point in being screwed in that way ... sorry .
to7 and new tongsheng first...Glad you've come to a decision, and I hope the new integrated motor e-bike is on order.
Configuration | BBSHD | Photon | Variation |
With lowest tooth count, wide/narrow, tightest chain line rings | Lekkie 40T ring, $935.00 | CYC 34T ring, $935.00 | same price |
With midrange tooth count, wide/narrow, tight chain line rings | Lekkie 40T ring, $935.00 | CYC 38T ring, $885.00 | BBSHD higher, +$50 or 5.5% |
With stock vendor rings | Bafang steel 46T ring, $770.00 | CYC 38T ring, SW102 display, $885.00 | Photon higher, +$115 or 13.9% |
With stock vendor rings, and base-level displays | Bafang steel 46T ring, 500S display, $715.00 | CYC 38T ring, SW102 display, $860.00 | Photon higher, +$145 or 18.4% |
With large wide/narrow, chain line rings | Lekkie 52T ring, $882.00 | CYC 50T ring, $885.00 | Photon higher, +$3 or 0.3% |
Do not worry about 30H error. The same was sometimes happening on my STEALTH gen1. with ASI BAC855 controller. Even CYC mentioned something in docs that this is expected. BTW. Does your 750C display show correct battery voltage? Mine was always underestimating by 0.8v-1.0v (depending of state of charge). On other hand Eggrider V2 was always correct and was matching voltage reported by the CYC app.I went for a test ride, and other than not really missing the DS103 fine print data, I didn't notice any operation issues or real problems. The BT app still works - but then it should, being that it's run by the controller, and the antenna is in the speed sensor housing. The three assist levels seemed to behave as before when using the DS103 display.
One display software quirk I noticed was that, when turned on, error 30H very briefly displays. This may be because the display boots up so fast, and the controller might not yet be yacking on the serial data line.
I'm using it till I come across a reason not to.
How about very Bafang-like or very Tongsheng-like - except Tonsheng leaves out the protective potting?So if it dies then it's game over? Cool design! Very apple-like.
CYC uses a 1 screw (Bafang 3) to hold the controller case on (likely with a gasket), has interconnect contacts to the motor core, and pots the electronics - just like Bafang. It's a proprietary controller - just like Bafang and Tongsheng.They could easily use screws + gaskets but no! Let's seal everything to make sure that user will be forced to buy a new controller directly from us.
I'm hopeful that the controller's temperature monitoring circuit will protect it.I'm pretty sure this tiny controller will die just after warranty period if user rides constantly in unrestricted mode + throttle.
That looks very clean with no cumbersome wires and plugs to deal with. Very nice.Controller is here. Totally sealed?
Both run on VESC code.
No you can't because CYC locked their controller. With older app for BAC855 you could atleast update configuration via XML configuration file.So you can connect VESC tool, configure as well as update the firmware ?
No you can't because CYC locked their controller.
Good luck...does Flipsky provide theirs? (or all the various other companies and groups basing their products off VESC, including some here on the forum?)Hmm, VESC firmware is GPLv3, per license terms, vendor has to provide the source code to customer, not only that they have to provide instructions on how to update the firmware as well.
Potting is a common way to increase reliability and reduce cost, complexity, size and weight.So if it dies then it's game over? Cool design! Very apple-like.
They could easily use screws + gaskets but no! Let's seal everything to make sure that user will be forced to buy a new controller directly from us.
I'm pretty sure this tiny controller will die just after warranty period if user rides constantly in unrestricted mode + throttle.