more @ 5:25 and he gonna sic the politicians on yo San Franciscan asses. It's gonna set precedence, yikes!spinningmagnets said:Electric bike chat starts at 3:50
Doc, tell it to the judge :lol:Doctorbass said:What Gary might to not know because he never really discussed with ebikes overcklockers is that when educated people are using their insane powerfull ebike in an intelligent way.. these ebikes become more safer than normal bike!
Many exemples here:
When the light goes green and you go from a dead stop at an intersection, our ebikes have already crossed the intersection and are on the other side of the road.. while normal bicycle driver are still stand up on their pedal trying to fight the hard aceleration... while car driver try to turn on the right and might make an accident hiting the cyclist...
Yeah... Mr Fisher.. what i am introducing to your discussion is another importnat word: Acceleration !!
Ebike are not just good for speed. But also for accelration... and that great acceleration is making me to be still alive today!... it avoided me alot of acccident at road intersection when car driver cut your passage because the timing of your slow cyclist acceleration match the reaction time of the car driver to accelerate.. increasing the risk of hiting you and making accident!
Great Acceleration make your ebike more agile and make you to quit car area faster for the potential acident conditions.
Anyway.. that's my own opinion after 4 years of intense ebiking activity...
Accident with cars: ZERO
Accident :ZERO
Total distance traveled more than 10 000km
Am i an exception?... NO
I just run my ebike with intelligence and respect.
A lycra cyclist that think that due to his performances give him the right to be the master of the road and run in the middle of the cars lane... is more dangerous than using an ebike with 20kW with intelligence!
If Gary want to reglate my ebike use.. he just have to visit me in my garage i'll explain him.. All my ebikes dont have the name DOCTORBASS stamped on them... But Gary .. YES
Doc
Quoting from the video here is what Gary says; It is not an electric motorcycle, it is an electric assist bike... RIGHT NOW (obviously) of course they are capped out at 20mph... that is one of the reasonss we are working with the politicians... to define...we want them to understand... what they are legislating for or against...
But what REALLY makes no sense to me is the low wattage limits
spinningmagnets said:I consider it my duty as a citizen to engage in a non-violent protest against these unjust laws by identifying and promoting the most effective stealth configurations of components.
Hey. Dogman I was up in ABQ the other day and went into the LBS called Bikes + and they had an electric bicycle in their show room that looked more like a moped than a bicycle! It had turn signals, horn, lights and a huge hub motor that looked just like the 28xxx 9c that Justin sells... It was a 48v and it was on sale for $400.00.dogman said:I've spent more than a year doing my perhaps 3 days a week commute with a bike that was truly limited to 20 mph. That's a 2810 on 48v 20 amps. It's ok, and a nice bike to share the bike path with othes on. Not so much braking to pass. If they see me and I know it, I can just keep going 20. The unseen pass overtaking walkers still needs a slowdown, but it's not so bad slowing down from 20. It's 1000 watts by the CA readings.
But then once off the path, I really wish I had the power to climb the big hill home faster, and at least go 25 mph on streets with 25 mph speed limit. At the moment, my cargo bike and my commuter are both back on 9c 2807's. Faster is cooler in 100F weather. But both suffer from being underpowered when I go to climb the hill to home.
My dirt bike seems to hit the sweet spot perfect, with 25 mph top speed, 20 mph speed up a 4% grade, and a pretty snappy take off from stop signs. Fortunately, it IS legal in NM to street ride it. It's 1500 watts on the CA. Much nicer to have double the federal legal limit. But in NM, the law makes no mention at all of watt limits, just speed limits. God I hope they leave that moped law alone in this state!
Where would you put the line between assisted bike and motor vehicle?
Great question. Speed limits are very appropriate for bicycles, scooters, skate boards whatever when the path is designated for pedestrians primarily. If you drove your "electric bicycle" (whatever that is??) in a reasonable and appropriate speed noone would notice, but it won't take long until some A####hole runs a pedestrian over and seriously hurts or god forbid kills someone and then the hammer of the law will come down.Where would you put the line between assisted bike and motor vehicle?