Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Talk about anything and everything here within reason.
User avatar
neptronix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 14752
Joined: Jun 15 2010 5:56pm
Location: Utah, USA
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by neptronix » Jan 11 2021 5:15pm

nicobie wrote:
Jan 11 2021 3:24pm
You are going to change our name? What for? According to a website worth calculator ES is worth $75,000. Would a name change cause this value to drop?
Me and Justin aren't concerned with the monetary value of endless-sphere.com. That's a figure that is used to calculate advertisement worth and we do not advertise. We see that the value of this place is the community itself. Our question of 'are we doing a good job of running this' is answered by 'how much innovation and cooperation is going on here?'.

If we do a name change ( very likely ), there will be an extensive forwarding system so that we can maintain our SEO position in google, and links from other web pages. Our value may dip monetarily but it will return eventually. This forwarding system will exist for at least 5 years, maybe perpetually.

Endless Sphere was never a good ebike forum name and if we are creating what will basically be endless sphere 2.0, it deserves a name that is easy to remember and tell others about.
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive." - Dalai Lama

My first major build: 1.6kW 8T MAC motor on a Trek 4500 MTB.
Monster MTB: Leafmotor 1500w @ 4kW on a Turner O2 full suspension.
The monster scooter: Heavy duty Cannondale semi recumbent - under construction.
Blue Dream: Maxaraya FS semi recumbent and high efficiency mid-drive - under construction.

User avatar
nicobie   1 GW

1 GW
Posts: 3035
Joined: Aug 07 2008 1:48pm
Location: Central Coast CA,USA

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by nicobie » Jan 11 2021 6:42pm

Oh well, I liked it. But change is OK too.

The only thing I didn't like about it was that it rhymes with fear. People always thought I was saying "endless fear". :mrgreen:

Are we going to have a name changing contest, or has the new name already been picked?

If it's none of my business, just tell me so. :wink: No worries!

I'm happy we are not staying static. However, I would like to see a small income stream established to help with the expenses and maybe have a little extra for you admins and mods. Advertising income would be awkward, especially with Justin being the owner. I'm thinking something entirely voluntary, but there are plenty of other options.

Carry on... 🚲
Take it easy... but take it. (Woody Guthrie)

my eTownie build thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=23701
Magazine article https://www.electricbike.com/nicks-etownie/

User avatar
neptronix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 14752
Joined: Jun 15 2010 5:56pm
Location: Utah, USA
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by neptronix » Jan 11 2021 7:26pm

I've told TONS of people about ES and i would bet that a good fraction of them typed 'fear' into their browser and got lost..
..or the name was so weird it didn't stick.

When we had the ownership shakeup happen i bought several juicy ebike forum names and Justin is cybersquatting on a few too. Haven't started on the decision process yet. So i refer to the new site as ES 2.0 for now.

I hate the idea of changing the name because we have such great name recognition, but this thing has lasted 14 years and we are thinking of what's best for the next 10 years, as ebikes are not done evolving and we want to remain at the forefront of that. That is why this plan is really big.

As for money, we are absolutely good on that, but i like the idea of a backup plan. But we do have some resiliency already.

Me and Justin are both business owners and capable/willing of financially supporting ES operations.
I am also a ninja at optimizing operational costs and project management because i do that for my IT business naturally. So i have kept ES very cheap to run and ES 2.0 will have higher operational costs but will still be relatively cheap.

For paying moderators or generating a rainy day fund, i think a virtual tip jar ( patreon? ) and ES 2.0 sticker/shirt/swag sales ( a cut would be given to the designer of such swag, so everyone wins ) would be cool if the community wants to give back.

If the community gets used to giving back then if we ever have a black swan event with funding then everyone would already be in the mindset to keep doing so, but just a bit more. I think that would afford us the kind of resiliency we'd like.
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive." - Dalai Lama

My first major build: 1.6kW 8T MAC motor on a Trek 4500 MTB.
Monster MTB: Leafmotor 1500w @ 4kW on a Turner O2 full suspension.
The monster scooter: Heavy duty Cannondale semi recumbent - under construction.
Blue Dream: Maxaraya FS semi recumbent and high efficiency mid-drive - under construction.

User avatar
nicobie   1 GW

1 GW
Posts: 3035
Joined: Aug 07 2008 1:48pm
Location: Central Coast CA,USA

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by nicobie » Jan 11 2021 10:24pm

neptronix wrote:
Jan 11 2021 7:26pm


For paying moderators or generating a rainy day fund, i think a virtual tip jar ( patreon? ) and ES 2.0 sticker/shirt/swag sales ( a cut would be given to the designer of such swag, so everyone wins ) would be cool if the community wants to give back.

If the community gets used to giving back then if we ever have a black swan event with funding then everyone would already be in the mindset to keep doing so, but just a bit more. I think that would afford us the kind of resiliency we'd like.
Yes, that sounds good. Run it kind of like a non profit then? I don't think any one person should have to shoulder the whole burden.
Take it easy... but take it. (Woody Guthrie)

my eTownie build thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=23701
Magazine article https://www.electricbike.com/nicks-etownie/

larsb   1 MW

1 MW
Posts: 1980
Joined: Dec 10 2014 5:12am
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by larsb » Jan 12 2021 1:27am

:es:
It’s a really good name. A bit mystic, environmental, makes you curious. I know that us scandinavians are generally better than americans at english but i never found the name hard :mrgreen:

My point is: It won’t be easy to find a better name that doesn’t leave a sour taste in comparison. Don’t change!
Last edited by larsb on Jan 12 2021 12:14pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
amberwolf   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 31068
Joined: Aug 17 2009 6:43am
Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth, Sol, Local Bubble, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by amberwolf » Jan 12 2021 1:47am

Well, Iv'e had the same problem with people being unable to understand the name--pretty much everybody thinks it's "endless fear", even if I tell them "sphere like a ball", and cant' find the site. Heck, even the people reading the sticker on the side of the trike (or back of the trailer, or side of the bike), with the actual full URL, don't seem to be able to find the forum with it unless they take a picture. :/

Whether or not the actual forum name changes, and regardless of which domain it's actually hosted on, I would recommend using all the "reserved" domain names y'all have as redirects to the forum. And I mean *all* of them--that way you get even more traffic to it, and it's much easier for poeple to send other people here. ;)

User avatar
neptronix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 14752
Joined: Jun 15 2010 5:56pm
Location: Utah, USA
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by neptronix » Jan 12 2021 9:59am

nicobie wrote:
Jan 11 2021 10:24pm
Yes, that sounds good. Run it kind of like a non profit then? I don't think any one person should have to shoulder the whole burden.
That's how i wanted to structure ES 2.0, but Justin made it clear he's happy to pay for everything.
amberwolf wrote:
Jan 12 2021 1:47am
Whether or not the actual forum name changes, and regardless of which domain it's actually hosted on, I would recommend using all the "reserved" domain names y'all have as redirects to the forum. And I mean *all* of them--that way you get even more traffic to it, and it's much easier for poeple to send other people here. ;)
Ah, you'd not know the folly of that because you are not a current webmaster.
This requires the maintenance of multiple SSL certificates, apache host entries, and dilutes your SEO rankings on google, etc. Generally, people no longer type a URL into google, they just search..

Directing a bunch of domain names to one place was a good tactic in the 90's and 2000's... but bites you today.
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive." - Dalai Lama

My first major build: 1.6kW 8T MAC motor on a Trek 4500 MTB.
Monster MTB: Leafmotor 1500w @ 4kW on a Turner O2 full suspension.
The monster scooter: Heavy duty Cannondale semi recumbent - under construction.
Blue Dream: Maxaraya FS semi recumbent and high efficiency mid-drive - under construction.

User avatar
The fingers   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 7835
Joined: Mar 11 2012 11:22pm
Location: Desert Pacific Cali USA

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by The fingers » Jan 13 2021 12:08pm

I just typed ebike in the search bar and got a bunch of commercials. :roll:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ebike&i ... afari#ip=1
Nothing for the enthusiast or DIY hobbyist. Just buy buy buy, sell sell sell.
Black Schwinn High Sierra
Blue Schwinn Cruiser 5
Blue Schwinn High Plains
Black Fiore Cruzer 5: Amped Warp Drive 26" Front DD/SLA kit
http://ghostbikes.org/
http://www.rideofsilence.org/main.php
Hebrews 9:27

User avatar
nicobie   1 GW

1 GW
Posts: 3035
Joined: Aug 07 2008 1:48pm
Location: Central Coast CA,USA

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by nicobie » Jan 13 2021 1:48pm

The fingers wrote:
Jan 13 2021 12:08pm
I just typed ebike in the search bar and got a bunch of commercials. :roll:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ebike&i ... afari#ip=1
Nothing for the enthusiast or DIY hobbyist. Just buy buy buy, sell sell sell.
Try typing "ebike forums". We're the 4th listed.

Not too bad. :mrgreen:
Take it easy... but take it. (Woody Guthrie)

my eTownie build thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=23701
Magazine article https://www.electricbike.com/nicks-etownie/

User avatar
neptronix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 14752
Joined: Jun 15 2010 5:56pm
Location: Utah, USA
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by neptronix » Jan 13 2021 2:19pm

Sad that we're fourth, probably has to do with the bad SEO features of phpbb. Yet another reason we're changing our format.
'endless sphere' is the least appealing name on that list but has a high position due to it's clout only.

I can't wait to crack the seal on that new forum software. :)
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive." - Dalai Lama

My first major build: 1.6kW 8T MAC motor on a Trek 4500 MTB.
Monster MTB: Leafmotor 1500w @ 4kW on a Turner O2 full suspension.
The monster scooter: Heavy duty Cannondale semi recumbent - under construction.
Blue Dream: Maxaraya FS semi recumbent and high efficiency mid-drive - under construction.

User avatar
nicobie   1 GW

1 GW
Posts: 3035
Joined: Aug 07 2008 1:48pm
Location: Central Coast CA,USA

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by nicobie » Jan 13 2021 10:46pm

neptronix wrote:
Jan 13 2021 2:19pm

I can't wait to crack the seal on that new forum software. :)
🎯
Take it easy... but take it. (Woody Guthrie)

my eTownie build thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=23701
Magazine article https://www.electricbike.com/nicks-etownie/

User avatar
marty   10 MW

10 MW
Posts: 2430
Joined: Apr 19 2007 5:44pm
Location: Buffalo, New York USA
Contact:

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by marty » Jan 14 2021 8:25am

nicobie wrote:
Jan 13 2021 1:48pm
The fingers wrote:
Jan 13 2021 12:08pm
I just typed ebike in the search bar and got a bunch of commercials. :roll:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ebike&i ... afari#ip=1
Nothing for the enthusiast or DIY hobbyist. Just buy buy buy, sell sell sell.
Try typing "ebike forums". We're the 4th listed.

Not too bad. :mrgreen:
Not so long ago I could go to http://www.betterwhois.com/ or the Domain name registrar for that name and see contact information for the owner. Now I am not seeing that.

Think ebikeforum.com might be the best name for a ebike forum. I like short names. electricbicycleforum.com is kind of long. Important that the domain name is the same as what the forum is about so that the search engine spiders know where to look when searching all the words on the internet. I know that because I used to be a spider in one of my past life's.

https://www.godaddy.com/domainsearch/fi ... eforum.com
ebikeforum.com is available $3,499.00
NO don't click on the Buy it Now button

Go to the bottom of GoDaddy's home page. WHOIS
WHOIS Domain Lookup
Find out who owns a website.
At the bottom click on - [Contact Domain Holder] fill out the Domain Holder Contact Request Form and see if the owner of the domain name ebikeforum.com would like to negotiate?

Need something done? I bought the name MartyCanDoIt.com

Whoever owns the domain name, owns the forum and can do what they like with it. Notwithstanding a team of lawyers and contracts.
MARTY
Volt Electric Vehicles
http://www.voltev.com

markz   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 11899
Joined: Jan 09 2014 11:38pm
Location: Alberta Canada

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by markz » Jan 14 2021 4:41pm

:es: ES is more then just ebikes.

Spitballing other names
Electrics Forum
Electric Transport Forum
Electrification Forum

markz   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 11899
Joined: Jan 09 2014 11:38pm
Location: Alberta Canada

Re: Is this the same KnightMB that sold us out?

Post by markz » Jan 14 2021 6:43pm

So Off Topic is out of the search bots reach?
You have to be member to read that thread.

Completely another topic
We've seen a rise in spammers, yesterday a few got through and posted a bunch of single posts trying to advertise their links in a "rational" way (as apposed to spamming/flooding) but they've been handled well and in a timely manner.

Some forums have other methods in place, like you have to introduce yourself first in a specific category before you can start posting. Another, wait for a moderator to activate. I'm sure there's more, any thoughts on new ways 2.0 will operate in those regards.

Post Reply