Chrysler & A123Systems agree-A123 prismatic 20Ah cell IMAGE!

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Hi,

A123 prismatic cells available soon in local Junk Yards :D :mrgreen:

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http://www.greencarcongress.com/200...generation-of-envi-electric-vehicle.html#more

Chrysler LLC and A123Systems have signed an agreement stating that A123Systems will supply Nanophosphate lithium-ion prismatic cells, and jointly developed battery modules and packs, for Chrysler’s first-generation ENVI Range-extended Electric Vehicles and battery-only Electric Vehicles.

A123Systems has applied for $1.84 billion in direct loans from the US Department of Energy’s ATVMIP program to support the construction of new lithium-ion battery manufacturing facilities in the United States, with the first construction location in southeast Michigan. There, the company will manufacture the cells, modules and battery packs for Chrysler LLC.

“We’re confident that our collaboration with Chrysler will serve as proof that American innovation is alive and well and ready to lead the new global market for fuel-efficient electric vehicles.”
—David Vieau, President and CEO A123Systems

The heart of ENVI’s battery system is a scalable battery module, as demonstrated in ENVI’s five electric-drive vehicles showcased at the 2009 North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

The five vehicles included the Dodge Circuit EV, Jeep Wrangler EV, Jeep Patriot EV, Chrysler Town & Country EV and the Chrysler 200C EV concept. At the reveal, Chrysler announced its intention to bring the company’s first production electric vehicle to market in 2010.

A proprietary battery management safety system helps create an efficient and flexible energy storage solution. This strategy is integrated in all of Chrysler’s upcoming electric-drive vehicles, helping increase production volumes of the shared battery cell and shared battery modules.

Chrysler says its approach reduces development time, investment, and overall battery system cost by combining the economics of high-volume component sharing without sacrificing the battery pack flexibility needed to develop a wide range of customer-driven electric-drive vehicles.

Chrysler has worked with A123Systems, both directly and through USCAR, for more than three years to improve the technology for automotive applications, said Lou Rhodes, Vice President-Advanced Vehicle Engineering and President of ENVI.

Chrysler is also partnering with GE to demonstrate an economically viable OEM-integrated dual-battery PHEV technology within the next 3-5 years. (Earlier post.) GE will develop the dual battery energy storage system. Chrysler will be responsible for the vehicle integration piece. It is expected to be a $20 million project, with GE and Chrysler contributing the industry cost-share of $10 million, and DOE providing $10 million.

A123Systems was one of the providers under consideration to supply cells for the Chevrolet Volt. GM awarded the initial contract to LG Chem and CPI. (Earlier post.) A123Systems originally used only cylindrical cell formats with its doped iron phosphate chemistry.

SAIC and A123Systems. Last week, Delphi Corporation announced an agreement reached to supply hybrid technology to China’s SAIC Motor Corporation Limited (SAIC Motor) for a mild Hybrid Electric Vehicle. The technology will include an air-cooled lithium-ion battery pack designed and integrated by Delphi using cells from A123Systems.

The upcoming SAIC Hybrid Electric Vehicle is expected to hit the market as early as in 2010. Delphi’s mild hybrid vehicle product is designed for easy electrical and mechanical integration into existing vehicles and includes a hybrid control unit, inverter motor drive and controller, DC/DC converter, battery pack and controls, battery disconnect, and thermal management subsystems. SAIC Motor is responsible for the vehicle-level system integration, hybrid control strategy and development of the software in the project.
 
If Chrysler would manufacture an affordable good lookin electric vehicle, it might just pull out of the hole they dug themselves into. Be nice to see a complete turnaround in the right direction.
 
Interesting to note that a123 systems took a change of heart with their cylindrical only offerings. I can definitely see why cylindrical cells would've dissuaded car companies from using the cells since they don't have quite the packing ratio advantages of prismatic cells.
 
i think the Volt packs were chosen to be pouches also because the designers know they will have to warm the batteries with an electric heater when in super cold conditions, and cool the batteries with fluid when subjected to high rate discharges, and charges. so the cooling system i think is the fundamental structural factor they have tried to build to. plus the advantage of having a closed fluid system surrounding the pouch reduces the suspended load on the tabs at the top of the pouch. and the tabs exit the coolant bath through rubber seals up into the current tray above.

everything about the cold climate conditions they need to meet to sell the car is fighting the weight versus capacity and therefore cost of the battery system.

you can imagine a simpler system where heaters and other concerns about battery support are met in simpler fashion. like with the Aptera.
 
CGameProgrammer said:
The last paragraph is key: mild hybrid conversions of existing models. Yawn. Doomed to failure.

That's only for that particular hybrid mentioned, though coming from that particular company. Less tame hybrids also can take advantage of this cell technology as well as Plug-in EVs.

Personally, it'd be awesome to stumble upon 20Ah a123 cells. That'd simplify the pack building! :lol:
 
Ah.. great to see that A123 have prismatic cells.. I think that the RC guys will also appreciate them for their plane!!.. just imagine the energy wcould be stored exactly the same way than normal kerosene powered plane... ENERGY in the wings!!!

cells in wings!! :mrgreen:

Doc
 
Doctorbass said:
Ah.. great to see that A123 have prismatic cells.. I think that the RC guys will also appreciate them for their plane!!.. just imagine the energy wcould be stored exactly the same way than normal kerosene powered plane... ENERGY in the wings!!!

cells in wings!! :mrgreen:

Doc

Those would be some big planes! :p
 
Hi,

CGameProgrammer said:
The last paragraph is key: mild hybrid conversions of existing models. Yawn. Doomed to failure.

My interest is mostly more self-serving. 20Ah A123 cells at the local junk yard.
 
Ha. Boy did I mess up.

I posted this in the Ev forum, and didn't even see the good doctors thread.


For the longest time, I thought A123 was trying to woo GM with its building of the new battery plant in Michigan. However, we now know the secret is out.

CHRYSLER is getting into bed with A123.


RUMOR has it, that the Chrysler 200C has just been authorized for production. And, they have a contract with Apple to build the flat touch-screen computer console for the vehicle, which will be fully compatible/integrated with the I-phone and Apple software/gear (whatever that means). But, as we know, they are keeping it as quiet as possible.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/chrysler/200C.html

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MitchJi said:
My interest is mostly more self-serving. 20Ah A123 cells at the local junk yard.

Hate to rain on your parade, Mitch, but the likelihood of seeing A123 cells at a good price from a recycler is unlikely. High value things (e.g. airbags) are stripped when possible from salvage cars, and sold for approximately 50 cents on the dollar. Half price for used batts? Not bad, I guess, but not revolutionary.

What WILL be revolutionary, eventually, will be LiFePo4 (or better) technology batts built in volume and with quality. This should substantially lower the effective cost.
 
wanders, i think it might be different for batteries.

i suspect the warranty on the batteries will keep most small shops from working on the main battery packs, so all replacement parts could end up sourced out of detroit.

so all the batteries in cars in the junkyards might have no place to go.

that could be an opportunity, but i doubt if either GM or chrysler get to spend guvment money for EV stuff. they are gonna be in bankruptcy court in 20 days.

most people think of electric vehicles as elitist and i doubt if they would be happy watching their taxes being used to support an ineffective electric vehicle program from detroit. and rightly so. too bad Aptera didn't get the first $30 billion.
 
You can get Toyota Prius batteries pretty cheap from junkyards now, but it sure took a long time.
Just the fact that they will be making large volumes of cells should drive the cost down a bit. I would love to get some prismatic cells.
 
Hi,

They discharge down to 10%:
A123's battery chemistry does have a disadvantage compared with some other types of lithium ion batteries, including cobalt oxide. It stores less energy, which would limit the range of a car. But Chrysler is making up for this in part by taking advantage of the battery's stability. Cobalt oxide deteriorates quickly if a battery is completely discharged and recharged; to make such batteries last longer and keep them more stable, they're typically electronically limited to using only half of their energy. But A123 says that its iron phosphate batteries can be discharged almost completely without degrading; the result is that more of the energy in the battery can be used. In Chrysler's electric vehicle, the battery pack can be discharged to 10 percent charge to provide a range of up to 200 miles--comparable to the range in similarly sized batteries with chemistries that store more energy.

Does the "compression band" imply that the bare cells swell?
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MitchJi said:
Does the "compression band" imply that the bare cells swell?

Yes, this chemistry in the prismatic form will exhibit swelling at high SOC / temperatures, and likewise at extreme low SOC.

It appears to be a somewhat little understood phenomenon. I know of one large company conducting tests on a quantity of polyethylene cased iron-phosphate Hi-Power brand cells, and discovered that 10% of them swelled grossly when tested, starving the plates of electrolyte, and were destroyed. :roll: Since the cells were sold "loose" they had no idea they were required to contain them with end plates and tension bands. They were arranged loose in a box fitted with two rows of 50 cells. And their linking straps were just copper bars; with no consideration for the expansion characteristics.

Jeff
 
:D

I have most of the parts for my electric Norco or Giant chopper as I have both. Since I have been using my DeWalt 36V packs for the last 2 years, I have grown an appreciation for A123. Now they are rolling out prismatic 20Ah cells so I know what packs to build. Make a nice 16 cell block of 51 volts for that extra touch of grunt. My 35 amp controller is waiting. Now to figure out weight, cost and size but I finally see the plates I need to make this happen. 8)

Wonder if this forum can get DOE or stimulus money to test the new plates to the point of failure? Just give us the packs and we will test them for free!
 
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