This tilting trike, with from standstill lean/steer control by leaning (your rear end and seat) is clever!

[Logic11]

When I see trike stand upright at standstill then pedal pull away and lean/steer in circles
WITH
the driver's arms out the windows!
I'm interested!

That means you can pedal
AND
control lean AND steer
with great stability and control.

What makes this possible is a clever/instinctive 'Steer by leaning with you back and rear end' on a hinged seat
and
Clever/simple Hub Centered steering, that simplifies and/or negates complicated steering geometry.

So:

• Full tilt/balance control at/from standstill
• Instinctive, controllable, stable tilt-steering, to the point of hands free riding like a bicycle.
• + Std steering.
• While still having your feet free for pedaling.
• more Aero and aero-able front end and wheels

That ticks just about all the boxes..! Does it not!?
Worth a like or 2!

Velocoupe

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[Epithemeus]

Is very cool indeed but not actually a trike. Unfortunately that makes it illegal where I am

 

[A-DamW]

Is very cool indeed but not actually a trike. Unfortunately that makes it illegal where I am

He converted it to a delta trike later in the vid for this very reason.

 

[Epithemeus]

He converted it to a delta trike later in the vid for this very reason.

Serves me right for not watching the whole thing. If I had unlimited budget I'd be all over this.

 

[Logic11]

Is very cool indeed but not actually a trike. Unfortunately that makes it illegal where I am

EDIT: Oops A-DamW already said as much:
Check some more of his videos!
He swaps out the 2 front wheels for a single wheel in no time at all!

 

[Papa]

Designs such as this one certainly has merit, but I've never been comfortable being forced to lean at every turn. No doubt petty to some, but to me, the concern has always been the latency induced in steering response. Single-track vehicles compound the issue even further due to counter-steering. Spent too much of my youth in sensitive sport cars, I guess.

 

[Logic11]

Designs such as this one certainly has merit, but I've never been comfortable being forced to lean at every turn. No doubt petty to some, but to me, the concern has always been the latency induced in steering response. Single-track vehicles compound the issue even further due to counter-steering. Spent too much of my youth in sensitive sport cars, I guess.

No-no; it has stock, bog std steering too.
ie: You only lean when going fast enough to justify that amount of lean and steer as normal at lower speeds.

 

[Papa]

No-no; it has stock, bog std steering too.

To the contrary...
"Free-to-caster" steering (which is clearly stated in the video) implies leaning to steer ONLY. Watch the first video - even at slow speed, leaning is clearly evident. The hand-operated tilting linkage is connected the "tilt control apparatus" ... and nothing to the front wheel(s). The above velo requires leaning to steer.... at all times.

e: You only lean when going fast enough to justify that amount of lean and steer as normal at lower speeds.

"Leaning" requires shifting the rider's body mass, and much of the vehicle's mass, laterally... The "lean" happens prior to the turn, during the turn, and immediately after the turn.... ultimately extending the time factor to change direction.

So, why does this matter to ME? In over 50 years of pounding asphalt, i've personally experienced three occasions where split-second timing was required to avoid a head-on collision, So... I'm NOT interested in owning any vehicles that mute or exhibit any unnecessary delay in steering response.

JMNSH opinion

 

[Roookee]

Thank You Logic11 for posting these videos.
It is a long time I have looking for similar wheels between 12 and 16 inches and appropriate wheels hubs to achieve the same 0 degree rake steer axis.
This tilting bike is actually amazing, my project is much more basic: 2 wheels in the front and 1 on a swingarm for the rear.
Not for a bike but for a little tilting trike electric scooter.
Some months ago I saw one on eozzie.com, but just a picture, I could not find it for sale on their website, and it seems heavy like a dead donkey, that is why I would like to build my own one, starting with carbon fiber rims.
While I am a little handy man when it comes to work with carbon epoxy, I dont know if I will be able to make a reliable carbone parts which links the wheel hub to the wheel rim as it is described on this video (as the fiber glass wheel) on the drawing starting around 2mn33s.
So any idea or info are welcomed. Thanks in advance

Best regards
R

 

[Roookee]

I find it: It is the VELOZ ES1 Three wheels scooter, there is a little video on Youtube showing it

 

[Logic11]

To the contrary...
"Free-to-caster" steering (which is clearly stated in the video) implies leaning to steer ONLY. Watch the first video - even at slow speed, leaning is clearly evident. The hand-operated tilting linkage is connected the "tilt control apparatus" ... and nothing to the front wheel(s). The above velo requires leaning to steer.... at all times.

"Leaning" requires shifting the rider's body mass, and much of the vehicle's mass, laterally... The "lean" happens prior to the turn, during the turn, and immediately after the turn.... ultimately extending the time factor to change direction.

So, why does this matter to ME? In over 50 years of pounding asphalt, i've personally experienced three occasions where split-second timing was required to avoid a head-on collision, So... I'm NOT interested in owning any vehicles that mute or exhibit any unnecessary delay in steering response.

JMNSH opinion

"Tilting with this vehicle is great fun – especially when I use the tilt apparatus to first lean into the corner, and then apply manual steering when coming out of the corner," he says. "At this point the velo wants to return back upright under its own steam – it's a really neat feeling."
One-off Tilt4orce velocar leans into turns like nobody's business


But ye I'm confused too now:
It seems that he has removed the stock front steering and deleted the related video.
That was VERY-VERY stupid of him, not more clever 'looking' as he must have intended!?

IIRC he had the hand levers going forward.... or levers on the levers..?

Anyway; no reason why anyone couldn't add stock steering.

ie: You lean with bodyweight as usual, but your butt, through levers/leverage has the ultimate say/control, to the point you can stay upright when stationary.
Then steer as usual with whatever steering setup blows your skirt up.

 

[Logic11]

Thank You Logic11 for posting these videos.
It is a long time I have looking for similar wheels between 12 and 16 inches and appropriate wheels hubs to achieve the same 0 degree rake steer axis.
This tilting bike is actually amazing, my project is much more basic: 2 wheels in the front and 1 on a swingarm for the rear.
Not for a bike but for a little tilting trike electric scooter.
Some months ago I saw one on eozzie.com, but just a picture, I could not find it for sale on their website, and it seems heavy like a dead donkey, that is why I would like to build my own one, starting with carbon fiber rims.
While I am a little handy man when it comes to work with carbon epoxy, I dont know if I will be able to make a reliable carbone parts which links the wheel hub to the wheel rim as it is described on this video (as the fiber glass wheel) on the drawing starting around 2mn33s.
So any idea or info are welcomed. Thanks in advance

Best regards
R

There is a wealth of info on YouTube etc on molding and producing carbon and glass fiber parts using vacuum etc.
The initial mold is easy to make/have made out of wood on a lathe.

 

[Papa]

But ye I'm confused too now:
It seems that he has removed the stock front steering and deleted the related video.

The videos you posted are 3 years old, and of the quad. I suspect when he converted from 4 to 3 wheels, he realized he didn't need the added complexity of manual steering, relying on FTC only. In fact, in the conversion video at around 8 min. he states "I just control tilt at all times".... "and the steering is automatic".

His velo has a lot of merit,.. it's just not for me.

 

[velocoupe]

Greetings From Kelowna.
Thanks for the positive comments and questions about my "Tilt4orce Velocar" project.
I will try to clarify how the relationship between tilting and steering works on my velocar.
Logic11 is correct. Steering can be "automatic" in free to caster mode while I control vehicle camber (reciprocating hand levers + body weight). But, my velo has always featured manual (stock) steering linkage as well, and still does, even on the delta. The manual linkage is required to maneuver in tight spaces at slower speeds, and when backing up - no tilting is required when steering manually.
As I keep experimenting with different riding techniques, on side-slopes, bumps, etc., I have found that the manual steer, which equates to a "steer to tilt" control, combined with the Direct Tilt Control Apparatus provides a very stabilized ride feel, as long as the velo is in a substantially upright position. This is great for going fast on the straight sections. BUT, as I enter a corner at speed, I rely on the tilt apparatus. So I tilt FIRST, to the inside of the curved path, let the FTC do its thing, while I continue to control the lean. And since the tilt of the vehicle and speed is the dominant force which governs the FTC, the manual steering linkage passively adjusts to the changes in steer angle of the FTC front wheels. It's simple since I don't have to think about counter-steer to control the tilt in corners and I have the tilt apparatus to keep me upright at slow speeds and at stoplights.
And yes, as Logic's quote mentioned, I still use the manual steering as I exit the corner, as this technique brings the velo back to upright under its own steam, which feels really neat.
If any of you have more questions, I am only too happy to reply.
Cheers