2015 And EU Future Economic Predictions

Wall Street Journal: BIS Warns of Overreliance on Monetary Policy
Indeed, the BIS noted in its report that from December 2014 until the end of May, an average of $2 trillion in global long-term government bonds—much of it in the eurozone—carried a negative yield. “Such low rates are only the most obvious symptom of a broader malaise, despite the progress made since the crisis,” the BIS wrote.

Rather than reflecting global economic weakness, these ultralow rates may be feeding it by destabilizing financial markets, pushing up debt and weakening growth. “In short, low rates beget lower rates,” the report stated.

The common justification for super-easy monetary policies has been very low rates of inflation, particularly in developed economies. Central banks have in recent years coalesced around 2% as their preferred target for annual consumer-price increases.

The plunge in oil prices in late 2014 and early 2015 brought consumer prices into negative territory in the U.S. and Europe, although inflation was firmer when volatile food and energy prices were excluded.
An interesting footnote in the ongoing saga. They say "begets" - its unravelling. They say "broader malaise" - really meaning so sick its on a death spiral. And being what it is, a contagion, it'll be epidemic.

Another great article as economic analyst of every stripe ponder the implications...
Three depressing lessons from the Greek debt negotiations
Moreover, through its incompetence and hubris, it is responsible for major external mistakes that have brought war and chaos to its southern and eastern edges, in Libya and Ukraine. Internally, the EU is becoming disunited and hence weaker; externally, it has turned into an exporter of instability.

Unless things radically change — and it is hard at this point to see how they can — it may lead a grandiose European project to a sad ending, in which the ghosts of the European past triumph over the best intentions.
Meaning the spectre of war and the ride of the four horsemen across Europe. The really big question for the moment, however is: What happens this Wednesday? As the ECB stops pumping money into Greece as every Greek makes their last grasp attempt to remain solvent?
The official statistics paint a grim portrait of social stability in Greece. According to a 2014 report by the OECD, the share of people in Greece who say they are unable to afford food doubled to 18 percent between 2007 and 2013. The country faces a staggering unemployment rate: 26 percent of Greeks overall and fully half of those under 25 are without jobs. And the latest statistics show that over six million people are either living in poverty or at risk of slipping beneath the poverty threshold.
 
Thanks for posting the Wall Street Journal quotes, Arkmundi.

And one of the points of the second article is true. Europe is becoming more divided. I'd settle for centrist policies, never mind some left-wing governance on the financial systems. I hope they US-EU trade talks get ripped up - very few Europeans want a corporate states of Europe - that's probably one of the worst things that could happen us.

I can see more and more left-wing governments like Syriza being voted in. It has to happen - there will be a reaction to what has gone on. Ideally they would be centre left but something needs to happen to prevent corruption and self-interest ruining everything.

Syriza are correct to go to a referendum on accepting or rejecting the bailout terms. If they didn't they would be betraying their public mandate. If they do default - then their recovery is based upon how quickly they can get their act together.

The smart thing would have been some sort of debt write-down and investors would have got some of their money back - if the default happens they won't get anything but they don't seem to care. It's bizarre. It's as if they believe that they can contain the problems to just Greece despite all the warning signs in a tanking global economy. China's importing of coal has dropped dramatically - much faster than their build out of renewable energy so their economy has to be contracting.
 
Washington Post, 30-June-2015: Greek finance chief: Still room to ease default crisis even with nation on brink
... he believed there were options to negotiate beyond the dual deadlines that hit at 1 a.m. Wednesday Athens time (6 p.m. EDT). After that, Greece would become the first developed country to be in default to the International Monetary Fund ....
I did not know that, being the first on an IMF default. Adding to this week's list of best dramas. Sorry, was that crisis? I watch too much TV and sadly can not often differentiate between the various news and TV channels as they compete for my attention. :lol:

Voltaire Net, 28-June-2015: The Troika pretends to suffocate Greece at all costs
There is no doubt that if Tsipras decides abandoning the Euro, the consequences will be dramatic for Greece’s economy and so for the rest of economies in the region [6], including of course, Germany and France. Berlin fears a massive spread. If Greece collapses, speculators will bet against the most fragile economies: Finland, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, etc.
The speculation of contagion is the current debate, about whether Greece may be the nucleus of a black hole of a down-ward spiralling negative-interest deflationary new-economic-rules paradigm shift. Its just that - about what "speculators" will do - and who should we dismiss from that category? Even the Federal Reserve board are that. The markets are all, in last analysis a gigantic casino, albeit where real human lives are the chips spread around on the geopolitical roulette table. Winners & loosers, and nobody wanting to be the latter.
 
the majority of greeks do not want to lose the euro. the guvment was elected by a minority of the population. the guvemnt is attempting to hold the europeans hostage to their dream of having a united europe because of the history of wars started over territorial claims in the past.

angela grew up in a communist society and has personal experience of the tyranny of the leftist minority so she will be twice as defiant as the firebrands of hate that will burn greece down over the next year until a more responsible guvment returns.

the riots will destroy the only economy that greece has, tourism.

along with the hundreds of thousands of migrants from syria and afghanistan, the greeks will flee into europe looking for work at any price.

all because of the grandstanding demagoguery of the guvment in the current negotiations.

about use of coal in china. china has reduced steel production now that the real estate market has worn out it's welcome so the need for steel to build more high rise buildings has dropped dramatically, but their economy is still expanding if you did not know it. just not as much of the growth is real estate construction.
 
dnmun said:
the majority of greeks do not want to lose the euro. the guvment was elected by a minority of the population. the guvemnt is attempting to hold the europeans hostage ..
Your contempt is palpable, and who can blame you? But you're wrong: The Syriza, or "radical left" in Greece were elected by popular vote because the population did not want the austerity being forced on them. And by virtue of taking the EU proposal to referendum, they are exercising a form of radical democracy, letting the people decide for themselves whether they want more of the imposed austerity and remaining in the Eurozone, or whether they want to follow the course set of removing themselves from the Eurozone and returning to a local currency. And no, if you don't have many Euros to begin with, you don't care about it. You care about the basic things, like where the next ten days of food will come from.

If I were a Greek right now (and we all may be soon enough), I'd be looking really hard at both of those prospects, and also concluding that a radical economic retrenchment away from the Eurozone, with all its perils, holds the better long-term prospects. Without consideration of how their decisions may play out elsewhere than at home.
 
no, you are wrong. they were not elected by a majority and a majority still favor staying in the euro zone.

he is making life so difficult for the poor who have no options such as the poor fish sellers who cannot sell their fish because there is no longer currency to use.

it is clear that the greeks do not pay taxes. everyone in europe knows this and resents it just as much as i would.

but i cannot blame them since the guvment just piles debt on debt to pay everybody and his brother to have a guvment job and liberal pension at 50 years of age.

everything to you is just the evil rich banks, but i have to pay my mortgage every month so why don't the greeks have to pay for the money they have borrowed? this is how everyone else in europe feels too but they cannot control the radical left who are gonna burn the place down now and put greece in a hole from which they will never recover.

you can congratulate yourself for helping to promote their downfall.
 
dnmun said:
no, you are wrong. they were not elected by a majority and a majority still favor staying in the euro zone.
I don't really want to get into another long winded back & forth with you. I didn't say "majority". I said it was a fair election with the Syriza coming out as in power. But, yes, the majority of Greeks would like to stay in the Eurozone, just not at the current expense for doing so. Tough choice for sure.
dnmun said:
everything to you is just the evil rich banks, but i have to pay my mortgage every month so why don't the greeks have to pay for the money they have borrowed? this is how everyone else in europe feels too but they cannot control the radical left who are gonna burn the place down now and put greece in a hole from which they will never recover.
I made no such assertion. But yes, we live a world right now where the big banks always win. And as history has shown, at the tax payer's expense when governments have to bail them out, as here. There is a highly pathological upper-crust and if you don't see that, I'll not be the one to attempt to correct your myopia.
 
One thing that Greece may have in its favour if they do default and return to the drachma is a potential tourist boon as people flock to Greece on the buying power of much stronger currencies. Whether or not that is can start to get their economy going is debatable and the Euro could tank too. Although from what limited statistics I have read countries that default tend to grow again after three to five years.
 
Either the Greek government is playing a great game of brinksmanship, or Greece is about to have a referendum. I don't know what the result of that will be, ideology aside, people who currently can't access their cash to buy will probably vote for whatever offers an immediate return to relative normality.
 
there is no return to normalcy. tsipras has now proven he is an unreliable partner in negotiations and is determined to force his political ideology on the population at large until the greek population can take back their guvment from the firebrands who will now be burning down all of the banks and other financial institutions and blocking all the freeways and city services.

i think it has gone from bad to worse. no tourist would ever go to greece when there is now the risk of violent attacks on you if you are german or from any other european country that the radically left guvment will blame for their mistakes in negotiating fairly with their creditors.

the risk of being robbed or attacked while on vaction is something most normal european and english tourist will avoid at all cost and as the greeks push all of the recent immigrants from syria north into europe there is gonna be a huge backlash because of that also.

like i said, angela grew up under the oppression of the east german communist authorities and there is no way that these punkers will affect her decisions for the future of europe now that they are fighting against the influence of the russian aggression in Crimea and Ukraine.

i expect the russians will try to buy favor from the greeks so they can use the greeks to block european sanctions against russia. like jailbirds who stick together in crime.
 
Standard & Poor's Ratings Services downgraded its ratings on four Greek banks to selective default, citing Greece's recent imposition of banking restrictions and the credit firm's opinion that defaults by the Greek lenders are inevitable within six months without additional support from the European Union.

S&P cut the formerly triple-C ratings of National Bank of Greece SA, Alpha Bank AE, Eurobank Ergasias SA and Piraeus Bank SA, adding that it doesn't expect the needed support from European authorities will be forthcoming.

The move by S&P comes as Greece on Tuesday requested a new bailout amid a last-minute diplomatic push before the country's current rescue deal expires and it defaults on a payment to the International Monetary Fund.

On Monday, S&P cut Greece's credit ratings deeper into junk territory, while speculating that the probability the country will exit the eurozone is roughly 50%. The one-notch downgrade to triple-C-minus came with a negative outlook, and the credit ratings company said it is likely Greece will default on its commercial debt within the next six months, unless circumstances change.

On Tuesday, S&P said the Greek government's limits on bank withdrawals, the closure of bank branches for a full working week and the prohibition of money transfers out of the country have resulted in individuals lacking access to their bank deposits in a timely fashion.

S&P also noted that following an interruption of talks between international authorities and the Greek government, the European Central Bank said it will maintain emergency liquidity assistance at 89 billion euros. The credit rating firm said it thinks this has left Greek lenders with limited liquidity buffers to cover coming needs, taking into account the large withdrawals of deposits in recent weeks.

Write to Tess Stynes at tess.stynes@wsj.com
 
http://www.occupy.com/article/why-greece-brink-putting-life-debt
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... for some more adventurous perspective on the situation.

Executive Summary of the report from the Debt Truth Committee
17 June by Truth Committee on the Greek Public Debt

The article said:
The remarkable thing about the Preliminary Report is that it is came from the Truth Committee on Public Debt, a group instigated by the Greek Parliament's President Zoe Konstantopoulou in April. This is the first time an official parliamentary group has asserted in such certain terms that Greeks "don’t owe, won’t pay." Not only is the report official, but it sets out legal pathways to cancelling the debt altogether. - See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/why-greece-brink-putting-life-debt?utm_source=Website+%27Join+Us%27&utm_campaign=05b4cf8d5a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_77fe4a462d-05b4cf8d5a-73714509#sthash.wkMWuRRp.dpuf
 
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As in OMG, we're all f*cked now.
 
That depends on what happens from here. Link below contains flow charts:

http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2015/06/29615-greek-options-default-contagion.html

29/6/15: Greek Options & Default Contagion Mapping
Posted by Constantin Gurdgiev

Couple of interesting charts on Greece.

First up: what are the options?

Source: @MxSba

Interestingly Greece already has capital controls, but yet to miss (officially) and IMF payment. Now, even if there is a deal, Greece will still have to go into the arrears on IMF, unless they found that proverbial granny's couch from which they can squirrel away few bob (EUR1.6 billion that is). We also have an already scheduled referendum. Which, according to the chart is a dead-end. Which it is, because its outcome is either rejecting a non-valid deal or accepting a non-valid deal. Though, presumably, the non-valid deal can be revalidated by the Troika (Institutions) in a jiffy.

In short, the chart above doesn't help much.

Now, a default trigger table and a map:




Source: both via @jsphctrl

Non-payment to IMF can trigger (though does not have to) default on EFSF and holdout private sector bonds (pre 2004). Default on T-bills (short term bonds) triggers privately held bonds excluding holdouts and new bonds. Everything else is fairly simple. Now, per table above, we are in the 'Publicly Acknowledged' blue-shaded area (any delay on payment will be known at this stage and avoiding a public declaration will be hard, if not impossible, especially given political stalemate).

Non-payment to IMF triggers default on EFSF, and likely to trigger default on bilateral EU loans.
Non-payment of EFSF loans triggers nothing with any certainty.
The worst contagion is from PSI bonds default.
Special note to CDS triggers: basically, bigger risks are from SMP (ECB) bonds, PSI (private) bonds, and post-PSI (private) bonds. EU loans and holdouts from PSI bonds are dodos.

Enjoy playing with the above...
 
I got an email from Public Banking advocate, Ellen Brown (see Amazon: The Public Bank Solution: From Austerity to Prosperity, and http://www.publicbankinginstitute.org/). She referenced this recent article: On Greece and Europe: What is Called “Negotiation” is a Demand for Total Surrender
The European Troika (the IMF, European Central Bank and European Council now object to the name and want to be called simply “the Institutions”) have stepped up their demands on Syriza.

What is called “negotiation” is in reality a demand for total surrender. The Troika’s demand is to force Syriza to go back on the campaign promises that it made to voters who replaced the old right-wing Pasok (“socialist”) and Conservative New Democracy coalition, or else simply apply the austerity program to which that coalition had agreed:cutbacks in pensions, deeper austerity, more privatization selloffs, and a tax shift off business onto labor. In short, economic suicide...

...What is not recognized is how successful the Syriza negotiating strategy has been. While most voters opposed austerity, they also initially (and still) have a fear from withdrawing from the eurozone. Tsiparas and Varoufakis have walked a fine line and accurately judged unyielding and totalitarian the Institutions’ “hard money” creditor approach would be...

...At stake is much more than Greece itself. What the attendees at Delphi want is to rescue not only the Greek economy, but all Europe — by replacing the euro and the ECB with a less austerity-based monetary ideology. If they are driven out of the eurozone, they will be able to create a real central bank (via the Treasury) to monetize deficit spending to revive the economy...

...to replace the oligarchs’ banks with a public option...

...In sum, followers of recent news reports should bear in mind that despite all the statements of good faith that Greece “wants to pay its debts,” the reality is that there is no money to do so – except to the extent that the IMF may “extend and pretend” the charade by advancing Greece the IMF’s own money to pay. As matters have turned out, Tsipras and Varoufakis have not paid foreign debts with Greek money. They have not balanced the Greek budget by cutting back pensions, nor have they sold off the crown jewels of publicly owned infrastructure that European banks hoped to finance to their clients.

Instead of selling out, Tsipras has given Greeks enough time to pull out their savings from the banks and convert them into euro notes (domestic circulation of which has risen by 13 billion euros), or into “hard” assets such as cars (or even boats) with a resale value.
Amazing how a media organization not beholden to conventional power structures can accurately represent the Greek perspective and applaud their efforts as heroic in the face of diminishing those powers hold on them and their economy. FYI, Ellen Brown is a very knowledgeable and articulate spokesperson for the kinds of changes needed if our financial institutions are to serve the public interest, a voice I pay careful attention to.

What I hope will happen:
  • The Syriza leadership under Tsiparas and Varoufakis does not capitulate to the Troika
  • Forcing their exit from the Eurozone
  • And requiring setting up a Public Bank as envisioned by Ellen Brown and others
  • With a concomitant return to the Greek currency, the drachma
  • A period for re-normalization and a steady-state economy
  • An abject rejection of the concept of debt induced "growth"
  • Becoming an example to the rest of the world of the path forward

That does not mean a doomsday scenario wont' play out in the face of global unsustainable debt and failure of government bonds. It just mean their may be a possibility of something other than business-as-usual and that, a middle-road so to speak.
 
Sounds nice, but seems to completely neglects the inevitable disadvantages of that path. One would be a lack of access to international credit due to be uncreditworthy. The other would be the pitiful value of the Drachma in a country that imports far more than it exports. Plus an end to the normal subsidies they received as members of the EU (richer countries pay to be members, poorer countries get paid to be members).
 
It would be interesting to see BRICS Development Bank (Now NDB) step in with "rescue" international financing and/or subsidy for Greece after a Eurozone exit. Bad PR for IMF/ECB and a potentially useful display of power for the BRICS alliance. So goes the money, so goes the power. NDB already has the best growth exploitation potential in their corner if they capture the international equity market of the "IC" in BRICS.
 
Hmm. I don't think the Greek people are looking for a social experiment.

kd8cgo said:
It would be interesting to see BRICS Development Bank (Now NDB) step in with "rescue" international financing and/or subsidy for Greece after a Eurozone exit.

A variety of potential solutions have been suggested. There is already a crowdfunding page and loads of people have suggest Apple should buy the country, as it actually has sufficient cash...
 
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2015/07/02/dont-underestimate-the-damage-of-a-small-failure-like-greece

Don't underestimate the damage of a 'small' failure like Greece
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Havana is a strange place from which to write about Greece. Cuba has been cut off for years, access to information is limited, people can’t travel and the Party is so paranoid that the Internet is barely available. However, what happens next in Greece and in Europe is less a matter of news and more a matter of analysis about what happens when people feel the world and their assumptions have changed forever.

Perhaps the fact of being in Cuba, so far away from everything, offers a degree of clarity. (Interestingly, today Greece is about to join Cuba as one of only four countries to have defaulted on the IMF.)

One relevant way to look at what is happening in Greece is through the kaleidoscope of symbolism. Symbols are important. Many commentators and politicians are discounting the Greek crisis as being specific to Greece. They argue that Greece is only 2pc of European GDP, but the plug is also only 2pc of the bath and we know what happens when you pull the plug.

Even taking the “Greece is too small to matter” angle, this is a real problem for the EU’s politicians because if they admit they can’t find a political solution for such a small problem, what’s to happen when they encounter a big one?

What happens if contagion from Greece spreads not because there are identical problems in other countries, but because by allowing the Greek situation to become so acute, the EU has shown itself to be extremely fragile?

Fragility is the key here. Greece is a symbol of the EU’s fragility. If an institution is fragile and untested it can implode under the most innocuous of circumstances. This is what happened with the Soviet Union. It was so brittle that the smallest challenges exposed it as a chimera. Consider even the difference between Italian and British political institutions. For years, the British have laughed at Italian politics with its interminable coalitions, crises and North versus South squabbles. Yet which country now is on the verge of dissolution? Not Italy, but Britain. Why is this? It is because years of doing deals, finding last-minute compromises and pulling back from the brink has made Italian institutions surprisingly robust in the face of challenges. Whereas British institutions, which are used to “all or nothing”, “first past the post” solutions are the ones facing “yes or no” referendums.

Now consider the EU. Is it robust or fragile? Is it practical or dogmatic? Could the stitching which ties this multi-national quilt together unravel?

In the case of Greece, the issue for most Irish people is whether our preconceptions about the EU are wrong and need to be reassessed. In short, we know that Greece is broken but is the EU broken and, more importantly, is EU or eurozone membership conditional?

If Greece does leave, and that exit causes minimal disruption (outside Greece), the pro-EU argument will be one of:”See, we told you Greece was not that important.”

But the path paved by Greece implies that such an exit path exists where before it did not. And if it exits, it can be prepared again for some troublesome country. What happens the next time other countries get into trouble, such as Spain and Portugal? Or what about debt-laden Ireland, in the future, when interest rates go up?

And then, if exit is possible, what about countries that may want to leave the EU, such as the UK? And what happens in Ireland if (1) the UK leaves and (2) interest rates rise at the same time?

This would mean that political pressure on Ireland because of our close trading links to the UK and financial pressure because of our membership of the euro arrive simultaneously. By the way, this is a highly likely scenario because (1) rates will rise in Europe and (2) Britain will have a vote.

If such a path is being prepared following Greece, the only question is, who’s next?

Into this toxic political mix we must add the instability of global financial markets. Far from making the world a more stable place, the free movement of capital makes the world highly unstable. This is because in “good times” too much capital comes into a country and asks no questions.

This is precisely what happened to Greece when it could borrow what it wanted and was lent whatever it asked for. Once uncertainty arrived, capital high-tailed out of the country leaving it stricken. Since 2008, the world has become more, not less, unstable.

We have seen a huge build-up of debts all around the world. Central banks cut interest rates in response to the financial crisis and this encouraged companies and corporations – particularly in emerging markets like Brazil, Turkey and large parts of Asia – to borrow heavily. Money borrowed at very low rates from the central banks has gushed into every nook and cranny of the global economy.

All these debts are yet to be paid. If interest rates rise and growth slows, the Greek crisis has the potential to be a second ‘Lehmans’ moment for international markets.

For example, think about what has happened in Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Italy since 2011. Our Government has made great play out of telling everyone that the interest rate at which the Irish Government can borrow has fallen to the lowest ever.

Have you ever stopped to think about what that actually means? It means that someone has been prepared to lend to Ireland at very low rates. They have lent us money in return for Irish IOUs.

Those people who have been lending to Ireland are hedge funds and investment funds with pretty short term horizons. They have been encouraged to lend to Ireland because the European Central Bank has promised to lend to Ireland. The ECB was credible.

What happens to ECB credibility if Greece goes?

Obviously, the ECB’s failure to keep the Greeks in the euro will make its promises look less binding, more equivocal and more conditional.

In this case, the hedge funds would try to get out of Irish, Spanish and Portuguese IOUs not only because they are worried about the risk in the peripheral countries but also because the politically unstable euro will be falling against the politically coherent dollar.

Most of the funds are American.

Now consider what would be happening to the balance sheets of these funds.

They start losing money on their Irish IOUs because the value of these IOUs is falling as people reassess the risk after a Greek exit. As the euro falls against the dollar, these losses amplify.

Their balance sheets start to register huge losses. The funds panic and all run for the door; but there is no liquidity as no one is willing to buy from them. They then have to sell “good” assets to make up for the losses on their “bad” assets because their balance sheets have to balance every day.

The investors in these funds panic and they take money out of the funds, exacerbating their losses.

Financial contagion takes hold and it is a strange and frightening thing that has the potential to amplify shocks like Greece far beyond the shores of the Aegean.

As you can see, a relatively small failure has the potential to change everyone’s assumptions about the way the economy works.

This is now the risk. Wouldn’t it be weird if a supposedly permanent and powerful euro currency frayed quicker than the isolated and fractured communist Cuba!
 
NY Times, 2-July-15: Hopeful Start to Greek Debt Negotiations Quickly Soured
A review of the negotiations with a few memorable quotes.
This decision by Mr. Tsipras to ask his people to back or reject, as he had recommended, the latest set of austerity measures for Greece sent shock waves through Europe. Just days before the Sunday vote, the outcome remained too close to call. Many here, however, now think that a “no” vote would ultimately lead to Greece’s exit from the euro.

This referendum will be one of the most important votes in Greece since it became an independent nation in 1830. Why Mr. Tsipras took such an extreme step remains puzzling.
But only puzzling lacking an adequate economic analysis of the situation regarding unsustainable debt...
Now the I.M.F. was pushing Greece to sign up to yet another austerity program to access more loans even though the fund had now concluded that their initial misgivings were correct: Greece’s debt was unsustainable.

I have a question for Christine, Mr. Varoufakis said to the packed hall: Can the I.M.F. formally state in this meeting that this proposal we are being asked to sign will make the Greek debt sustainable?

Yanis has a point, Ms. Lagarde responded — the question of the debt needs to be addressed. (A spokesman for the fund later said that this was not an accurate description of the exchange.)

But before she could explain, she was interrupted by Mr. Dijsselbloem.

It’s a take it or leave it offer, Yanis, the Dutch official said, peering at him through rimless spectacles.

In the end, Greece would leave it.
Both sides are not in a position to compromise. There was no compromise. Now, the Greek people go to vote understandably very confused, very angry. And no one knows what the consequences will be, whether they vote yes or no.

Completely inane.. Poll - Sunday's most interesting story
 
Wow, certainly the story of the weekend, as its garnering headlines everywhere...
The Guardian, live: Greek debt crisis: referendum to go ahead as court rejects appeal – live updates
Polls show a razor-thin split down the middle of yes & no. But Tsipras and the Syriza are out in force to promote a NO.
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Now an article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015
Some economists, among others Paul Krugman[23], Thomas Piketty[24] and Joseph Stiglitz[25] publicly expressed their support for the "No" vote at the referendum, claiming that keeping the current austerity programme is in any case the worst option from an economic point of view.
Clinches my support of a "no" vote, as these are my most trusted economists.
Krugman said:
What if Greece votes no? This will lead to scary, unknown terrain. Greece might well leave the euro, which would be hugely disruptive in the short run. But it will also offer Greece itself a chance for real recovery. And it will serve as a salutary shock to the complacency of Europe’s elites...

... it’s reasonable to fear the consequences of a “no” vote, because nobody knows what would come next. But you should be even more afraid of the consequences of a “yes,” because in that case we do know what comes next — more austerity, more disasters and eventually a crisis much worse than anything we’ve seen so far. NYTimes
And seems the people of Greece in the majority agree ..
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so sad what the left wing fascists and the right wing golden dawn fascists have done to the poor greek citizens who have no control over their guvment:


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The President of the “New Democracy” Party made the following statement:

The Prime Minister did not have the decency to admit that he was the one to sign for the banks’ closure. He did not dare to admit that he was the one who tabled the proposal comprising the austerity measures, the same as the one of the lenders!

The country is now in the worst position it has been in, in decades! Without the European safety net, and with all banks closed. The country is unable to pay even for the most basic needs of its citizens and is now totally isolated from its partners.

Basically, the country is run by a government in panic; a government which turned Greek citizens’ worst nightmares into reality; a government which brought citizens before a situation never before imagined, let alone experienced…

The government lied to all and eventually led the country to default. We are left hanging, losing funds worth €35bn already earmarked for our country following the sacrifices of the Greek people.

Although the Prime Minister has been saying for months that he will not sign for another MoU, now, he is begging for a new MoU! And what’s more …although he himself endorses the institutions’ proposal for another €8bn in measures, he calls up to the people and pleads for them to do what, exactly? Vote against it!

Every day the banks remain shut, the economy worsens, the bill is blown out of proportion and unemployment skyrockets…

This is the price we pay for the government’s anti-European choices. And now, the government is faking negotiations and its resolution to remain in Europe, while at the same time it denounces the European leaders.

He is lying when he claims he will renegotiate with the Europeans in the future. How will he manage, when he has declared them “the enemy”? How will he succeed when every European leader, even the socialists Hollande, Schultz and Renzi, believe that this referendum is a choice between euro and drachma?

The government has exhausted the country’s credibility. And now, Europe has turned its back on us. The European funds are in peril. Farmers risk losing their subsidies. The tourism industry has been badly afflicted. All that Greece gained in the last forty years is up in the air.

What’s even more dramatic is that those who suffer the most and face doom more likely than others, are the powerless citizens. These are the people whom the Prime Minister fooled so ruthlessly and yet, he never took a minute to apologise to them.

The worst: The Prime Minister is not saying how or when this agony will end! At this dramatic time for pensioners, the Prime Minister is hiring people by thousands, adding them up to his party-owned state which he continues to build.

It is a fatal mistake by the government to go through with this charade-like referendum, based on a proposition that no longer exists; on negotiations which no longer exist, on a programme which is no longer valid!

He calls on a referendum with people, upset cramming outside closed banks! And despite all this, the government still advocates the NO vote. He calls on a referendum at a time when party cadres publically ask the Prime Minister to withdraw the referendum or support the YES vote. At least they have begun to understand….

As if it wasn’t bad enough, the Council of Europe is now impeaching us for not securing the democratic prerequisites for the people’s expression.

However, the Greek people have not yet spoken their final word. The Greek people do not tolerate being insulted by a government, simply because their opinion differs. Some people forget that this is Greece, this is Europe, and this is democracy we are talking about! This authoritarianism has no place in our country.

As the magnificent Syntagma Square demonstration showed yesterday, everything points to the fact that the Greeks will shout from the top of their lungs YES, putting aside party affiliations. They will cry YES for Greece; they will cry YES to keep the country on a European track, at the heart of Europe and inside the eurozone…

There is nothing to be proud of when people line up outside closed banks. There is no pride in fearing for the safety of their savings…

Pride has nothing to do with having pensions paid in half and collected, drop by drop.

True pride is the way to Europe. True pride is turning down a ruthless government which has deceived everyone and now tries to divide our society.

I ask the Greek people to keep calm and stay united, above all. We have been through a lot. We will make it this time too; united and on our feet.

Responsible citizens will win over this wreckless government.

Yes to Greece! Yes to Europe and our children’s’ future.

Source: New Democracy Party
 
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