***** THIS TOPIC FORMERLY TITLED "I'M READY!! to build my e-board.. a few questions though.. ****** Topic re-named to reflect what I have decided to build
Hi folks,
My name is Jesse. Classic story- found boosted boards, then the other pre-fab companies, then this forum and the alien drive/power systems and the other awesome DIY products being offered here.
I am ready to build my board (in other words I have the $$ ready to get er' done). I've been doing some research for a few weeks now, but I'm definitely still a noob. I would love some input from you guys here with your experiences so that I can build the most amazing awesome ultimate wicked E-board of my dreams.
****If anyone educated in the electronics involved in eboards is reading this post thinking, 'Damn, this dude really needs to read "X" resource' please direct me to said resource!! Lol ******
My priorities:
1) the board looking as 'stock' as possible, like a regular longboard. I have asked a few people on this forum about issues with the cops and in general people don't seem to be having issues, but electric boards are definitely illegal here so I want to draw as little attention as possible
-I hope to address this concern with
a) ALL black components (board, trucks, motor mounts, motors, ESC, electronics/battery housings.. all BLACK)
b) Motors as small as possible while still meeting my power needs
c) SLIM batteries. I see Bruno at AlienPS has some very nice new slim configuration LiPo's
d) hand remote as SMALL as possible.. those stock R/C controllers look ridiculous
2) Long distance! I want to get 30-40 km+ (18-25 miles) reliably on a single charge using 'conventional' batteries and charger, ideally charging the whole setup at the same time, not charging two packs separately. If this sounds ridiculous to the experienced E-board builders reading this, then what would be the MAX distance one could achieve? and what setup would you use to do so?
-I hope to address this concern with
a) seeking help from some people smarter than me for calculating what kind of motor/esc/battery setup I am going to need
b) The best, highest powered batteries available, as many as I can fit on the bottom of the board while still maintaining a slim battery pack profile (like the battery pack on the Evolve bamboo series) again, those 6s 10000mah slim packs from Bruno look pretty awesome at 26mm thickness
c) Using a 12s charger like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8-1pQ2nRg to charge the MAX # of cells supported by 'conventional' chargers.. (I believe 12s is the max?)
d) Potentially carrying a second set of batteries? kind of a pain but that might be the only way to get those distances? (30-40km+)
3) Hill climbing with a 'heavy' rider I am 6'3" 230 lbs so I'm a big guy, and there are some decent hills on my commute.
-I hope to address this concern with
a) Deciding CORRECTLY between Dual diagonal 50mm vs Dual Diagonal 63mm. The hill climbing with a heavier rider is an absolute must, but in theory the larger the motors, the less 'stock' the board will look. It is important that the board look as 'stock' (non-electric) as possible while meeting my power needs
Some other considerations:
-SMOOTH take-off from complete stop, and SMOOTH progressive braking
->>Hoping to go with a sensored setup from Bruno at AlienPS to get the smoothest ride possible
-Regenerative braking
->>I think all of the Alien ESCs have this now?
-Temperature monitoring/control
->>Not sure how much of a concern this is?
-Kill switch
->>Any ideas?
-Charge ports
->>Any ideas?
-A way to monitor battery levels? Battery management system on the Alien ESCs?
I have my board + Caliber trucks picked out and assembled.. This thing is super stable, feels like driving a tank, with great handling for such a long board due to relatively aggressive concave.
-Rayne 'Supreme' (42.5" long, 10" wide, 30" or 31" wheel base)
-Custom grip tape job using Vicious grip tape mix of black + clear
-10" black Caliber 50 degree trucks
-Currently using 1/2" riser pads, as the board has a slight drop to it. I will adjust what risers I use once I have the motors+mounts on.
-Has random white Arbor wheels on it for now until the Abec11's arrive
Here's pics of the board setup so far.. looks sickkkkkkk
https://db.tt/D50VZT3z
https://db.tt/dG6zvxJJ
I have decided I will be dealing with Alien for my caliber mounts (in black), but the electronics/battery setup is where I need some info, as a complete understanding of all the electronics stuff definitely still eludes me. I will be going with Alien electronics (motors/esc/batteries) but I am not sure exactly what to get yet..
Board - CHECK
Trucks - CHECK 10" Calibers
Wheels - ABEC 11 flywheels
-83mm?
Motor Mounts, Gears, Belts - Going with ADS Caliber mounts in all black
Battery/electronics covers - going to custom make them with 1-2mm black ABS with vacuuming forming table once everything else is set
R/C transmitter/remote - will use a clunky stock r/c for testing, and will then move to something custom and smaller
Electronics (motor/ESC/battery) This is where I need help..
So again, main considerations for me in choosing electronics
1) LONG distance (30-40km reliably)
2) heavier rider with hills
3) 'Stock' non-electric appearance, while meeting power requirements
A couple of configurations that come to mind from my research thus far..
- 2x63mm SENSORED (Alien), 150A SENSORED ESC (Alien), 2x6s 10000mah packs (Alien) wired in series? parallel? (I don't understand the difference between the two in this application) to make 12s
- 2x63mm (SENSORED) (Alien), 150A (SENSORED) ESC (Alien), 2x5s, or 10s pack (just like Richards '2x63mm 6kw build")
- 2x50mm SENSORED (Alien), 150A SENSORED ESC (Alien), battery? same as above? 2x6s? (12s) would that work? or would I have to go down to 10s? 8s? 6s? what would be the MAX battery life configuration I could pair up with 2x50mm motors? 2x63mm?
I see people saying that 2x50 mm motors is ridiculous power even up hills, and that they couldn't even imagine 63mm.. but I am a heavy guy and like I said, I will be conquering lots of hills, so do you think I can get away with the 2x50mm for the 'stock appearance factor? or should I go for the 2x63mm because 2x50mm will struggle with hills/braking?
What would be the best dual-diagonal drive setup for long distance commuting? would that setup be okay for a 'heavier' rider doing considerable hill climbing?
-Would THIS 12s charger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8-1pQ2nRg) work with 2x6s 10000mah batteries from AlienPS hooked together to make 12s?? (http://alienpowersystem.com/shop/6s-batteries/alien-6s-10000mah-35c-lipo-battery-flat-configuration/)
-If that charger WOULD work with those batteries linked together 2x6s=12s, then would that work with the 150A dual SENSORED 1s-12s ESC from Alien? and IF SO, would that support both 50mm motors and 63mm motors? or only 63mm motors? and what kind of range would you expect from that setup?
-The benefit I can see to going with smaller on-board battery setup (1x6s 10000mah) and just carrying extra batteries for long trips would be only having to 'carry' as much battery power as necessary for your trip; only one 6s for short casual ride, or you could theoretically get a range of 100+km by just carrying 'spare' batteries for a light-weight 6s board with a quick-release on the bottom battery cover for quick battery change over…. THOUGHTS?
Some other questions about general E-board stuff..
-Can the Alien 150A dual 1s-12s SENSORED ESC be used with sensored motors AND non-sensored motors? or only sensored motors? only 63mm? or 50mm also? Could you experiment with these various motor options using that one ESC?
-Has bruno done any firmware updates to support the sensored motors and sensored ESCs for e-board application? the 50mm and 63mm builds Richard did were using non-sensored motors+ESC I believe..
-The benefit I can see to going with smaller on-board battery setup (1x6s 10000mah) and just carrying extra batteries for long trips would be only having to 'carry' as much battery power as necessary for your trip, and you could theoretically get a range of 100+km by just carrying 'spare' batteries for a light-weight 6s board with a quick-release on the bottom battery cover for quick battery change over…. THOUGHTS?
-Am I 'limited' in motor/battery/ESC selection by the gearing options available with the Alien caliber mount kits? i.e.. 15t/32t. Do I have to go with specific motor/battery/ESC guidelines to match those available gearing options?
-Can sensored motors be run un-sensored in the case of a sensor failure/misalignment or whatever?
-In this decision between 50mm motors and 63mm motors, if I get the 150A dual ESC from AlienPS can I use that ESC with either size motor? what variables are considered in answering that question?
ANY answers and ANY insights to ANY of the things I have mentioned is greatly appreciated, as I want to get this thing together ASAP! Summer is ticking away
Thanks!
Hi folks,
My name is Jesse. Classic story- found boosted boards, then the other pre-fab companies, then this forum and the alien drive/power systems and the other awesome DIY products being offered here.
I am ready to build my board (in other words I have the $$ ready to get er' done). I've been doing some research for a few weeks now, but I'm definitely still a noob. I would love some input from you guys here with your experiences so that I can build the most amazing awesome ultimate wicked E-board of my dreams.
****If anyone educated in the electronics involved in eboards is reading this post thinking, 'Damn, this dude really needs to read "X" resource' please direct me to said resource!! Lol ******
My priorities:
1) the board looking as 'stock' as possible, like a regular longboard. I have asked a few people on this forum about issues with the cops and in general people don't seem to be having issues, but electric boards are definitely illegal here so I want to draw as little attention as possible
-I hope to address this concern with
a) ALL black components (board, trucks, motor mounts, motors, ESC, electronics/battery housings.. all BLACK)
b) Motors as small as possible while still meeting my power needs
c) SLIM batteries. I see Bruno at AlienPS has some very nice new slim configuration LiPo's
d) hand remote as SMALL as possible.. those stock R/C controllers look ridiculous
2) Long distance! I want to get 30-40 km+ (18-25 miles) reliably on a single charge using 'conventional' batteries and charger, ideally charging the whole setup at the same time, not charging two packs separately. If this sounds ridiculous to the experienced E-board builders reading this, then what would be the MAX distance one could achieve? and what setup would you use to do so?
-I hope to address this concern with
a) seeking help from some people smarter than me for calculating what kind of motor/esc/battery setup I am going to need
b) The best, highest powered batteries available, as many as I can fit on the bottom of the board while still maintaining a slim battery pack profile (like the battery pack on the Evolve bamboo series) again, those 6s 10000mah slim packs from Bruno look pretty awesome at 26mm thickness
c) Using a 12s charger like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8-1pQ2nRg to charge the MAX # of cells supported by 'conventional' chargers.. (I believe 12s is the max?)
d) Potentially carrying a second set of batteries? kind of a pain but that might be the only way to get those distances? (30-40km+)
3) Hill climbing with a 'heavy' rider I am 6'3" 230 lbs so I'm a big guy, and there are some decent hills on my commute.
-I hope to address this concern with
a) Deciding CORRECTLY between Dual diagonal 50mm vs Dual Diagonal 63mm. The hill climbing with a heavier rider is an absolute must, but in theory the larger the motors, the less 'stock' the board will look. It is important that the board look as 'stock' (non-electric) as possible while meeting my power needs
Some other considerations:
-SMOOTH take-off from complete stop, and SMOOTH progressive braking
->>Hoping to go with a sensored setup from Bruno at AlienPS to get the smoothest ride possible
-Regenerative braking
->>I think all of the Alien ESCs have this now?
-Temperature monitoring/control
->>Not sure how much of a concern this is?
-Kill switch
->>Any ideas?
-Charge ports
->>Any ideas?
-A way to monitor battery levels? Battery management system on the Alien ESCs?
I have my board + Caliber trucks picked out and assembled.. This thing is super stable, feels like driving a tank, with great handling for such a long board due to relatively aggressive concave.
-Rayne 'Supreme' (42.5" long, 10" wide, 30" or 31" wheel base)
-Custom grip tape job using Vicious grip tape mix of black + clear
-10" black Caliber 50 degree trucks
-Currently using 1/2" riser pads, as the board has a slight drop to it. I will adjust what risers I use once I have the motors+mounts on.
-Has random white Arbor wheels on it for now until the Abec11's arrive
Here's pics of the board setup so far.. looks sickkkkkkk
https://db.tt/D50VZT3z
https://db.tt/dG6zvxJJ
I have decided I will be dealing with Alien for my caliber mounts (in black), but the electronics/battery setup is where I need some info, as a complete understanding of all the electronics stuff definitely still eludes me. I will be going with Alien electronics (motors/esc/batteries) but I am not sure exactly what to get yet..
Board - CHECK
Trucks - CHECK 10" Calibers
Wheels - ABEC 11 flywheels
-83mm?
Motor Mounts, Gears, Belts - Going with ADS Caliber mounts in all black
Battery/electronics covers - going to custom make them with 1-2mm black ABS with vacuuming forming table once everything else is set
R/C transmitter/remote - will use a clunky stock r/c for testing, and will then move to something custom and smaller
Electronics (motor/ESC/battery) This is where I need help..
So again, main considerations for me in choosing electronics
1) LONG distance (30-40km reliably)
2) heavier rider with hills
3) 'Stock' non-electric appearance, while meeting power requirements
A couple of configurations that come to mind from my research thus far..
- 2x63mm SENSORED (Alien), 150A SENSORED ESC (Alien), 2x6s 10000mah packs (Alien) wired in series? parallel? (I don't understand the difference between the two in this application) to make 12s
- 2x63mm (SENSORED) (Alien), 150A (SENSORED) ESC (Alien), 2x5s, or 10s pack (just like Richards '2x63mm 6kw build")
- 2x50mm SENSORED (Alien), 150A SENSORED ESC (Alien), battery? same as above? 2x6s? (12s) would that work? or would I have to go down to 10s? 8s? 6s? what would be the MAX battery life configuration I could pair up with 2x50mm motors? 2x63mm?
I see people saying that 2x50 mm motors is ridiculous power even up hills, and that they couldn't even imagine 63mm.. but I am a heavy guy and like I said, I will be conquering lots of hills, so do you think I can get away with the 2x50mm for the 'stock appearance factor? or should I go for the 2x63mm because 2x50mm will struggle with hills/braking?
What would be the best dual-diagonal drive setup for long distance commuting? would that setup be okay for a 'heavier' rider doing considerable hill climbing?
-Would THIS 12s charger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8-1pQ2nRg) work with 2x6s 10000mah batteries from AlienPS hooked together to make 12s?? (http://alienpowersystem.com/shop/6s-batteries/alien-6s-10000mah-35c-lipo-battery-flat-configuration/)
-If that charger WOULD work with those batteries linked together 2x6s=12s, then would that work with the 150A dual SENSORED 1s-12s ESC from Alien? and IF SO, would that support both 50mm motors and 63mm motors? or only 63mm motors? and what kind of range would you expect from that setup?
-The benefit I can see to going with smaller on-board battery setup (1x6s 10000mah) and just carrying extra batteries for long trips would be only having to 'carry' as much battery power as necessary for your trip; only one 6s for short casual ride, or you could theoretically get a range of 100+km by just carrying 'spare' batteries for a light-weight 6s board with a quick-release on the bottom battery cover for quick battery change over…. THOUGHTS?
Some other questions about general E-board stuff..
-Can the Alien 150A dual 1s-12s SENSORED ESC be used with sensored motors AND non-sensored motors? or only sensored motors? only 63mm? or 50mm also? Could you experiment with these various motor options using that one ESC?
-Has bruno done any firmware updates to support the sensored motors and sensored ESCs for e-board application? the 50mm and 63mm builds Richard did were using non-sensored motors+ESC I believe..
-The benefit I can see to going with smaller on-board battery setup (1x6s 10000mah) and just carrying extra batteries for long trips would be only having to 'carry' as much battery power as necessary for your trip, and you could theoretically get a range of 100+km by just carrying 'spare' batteries for a light-weight 6s board with a quick-release on the bottom battery cover for quick battery change over…. THOUGHTS?
-Am I 'limited' in motor/battery/ESC selection by the gearing options available with the Alien caliber mount kits? i.e.. 15t/32t. Do I have to go with specific motor/battery/ESC guidelines to match those available gearing options?
-Can sensored motors be run un-sensored in the case of a sensor failure/misalignment or whatever?
-In this decision between 50mm motors and 63mm motors, if I get the 150A dual ESC from AlienPS can I use that ESC with either size motor? what variables are considered in answering that question?
ANY answers and ANY insights to ANY of the things I have mentioned is greatly appreciated, as I want to get this thing together ASAP! Summer is ticking away
Thanks!