470 Horse Power Honda CR-Z Hybrid.

[liveforphysics]

So, I had mentioned 6 months ago that Honda gave my buddy Bisi a couple of the un-released CR-Z hybrids to play with. The car is pretty much a putzy turd in stock form. He made one into something fun to drive, and kept the hybrid system.


Werid factory OEM fuel sump

Crude rockers that nobody is digging.

Custom 12v to 16v type vtec cam.

OEM block/pistons and an OEM coolant flow diverter. None of this stuff was kosher for power.

The solution? Cut the OEM sleeves entirely out of the block and replace them with ductile iron sleeves with external structural bracing.

The head bolts were for chicks. Re-drilled, tapped, and threaded in some ARP studs.

OEM piston and rod is a lightweight low-friction design, but hardly suitable for a racing build, so it all had to go.

Rod bolts also were for chicks... Seriously Honda...

Robust OEM girdle design.

Notice that AN-bung welded into the pan? Hmm... Wonder what this car's getting...

Yup. Monster turbo. Not my style, but whatever, it works.

Yes, that's 327ft-lbs of torque and 467whp (way over 500hp at the crank) from this tiny little engine. lol

Yep. Parachute on the back of a hybrid CR-Z. lol. Perhaps the first ever?

Enjoy!
-Luke

 

[Anonymous]

What part of this is hybrid ))) what a terrific toy to mess with, that'll be every 18yr old's suped up wishlist. I can imagine it now, kids replacing NOS bottles with etek-based air-super chargers and electric hub motors. flip a switch -bam- pulls like a train

 

[neptronix]

Allright.. now we can say that someone did it.

Now let's get back to modifying real Hondas

 

[Arlo1]

You guys can poke fun, but If you follow this you will be very impressed! Bisi builds art work under the hood and sets records with performance! I am very stoked to see this in action!
I belive a proper done Hybrid will be amazing on the track!

 

[liveforphysics]

You guys can poke fun, but If you follow this you will be very impressed! Bisi builds art work under the hood and sets records with performance! I am very stoked to see this in action!
I belive a proper done Hybrid will be amazing on the track!

Agreed. The electric can carry you though the bog prone areas of the launch, and help avoid losses from inconsistent boost pressures at launch.

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

 

[Arlo1]

You guys can poke fun, but If you follow this you will be very impressed! Bisi builds art work under the hood and sets records with performance! I am very stoked to see this in action!
I belive a proper done Hybrid will be amazing on the track!

Agreed. The electric can carry you though the bog prone areas of the launch, and help avoid losses from inconsistent boost pressures at launch.

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Do you think it would be possible to parallel up the controler on the same stator? And this is like the insite right with one central brushless motor not wheel motors right?

 

[liveforphysics]

You guys can poke fun, but If you follow this you will be very impressed! Bisi builds art work under the hood and sets records with performance! I am very stoked to see this in action!
I belive a proper done Hybrid will be amazing on the track!

Agreed. The electric can carry you though the bog prone areas of the launch, and help avoid losses from inconsistent boost pressures at launch.

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Do you think it would be possible to parallel up the controler on the same stator? And this is like the insite right with one central brushless motor not wheel motors right?

It's just like the Insight IMA setup. As far as parallel controllers working, it sure doesn't seem likely, but if Honda is footing the parts, I'm not opposed to trying. lol

 

[neptronix]

Agreed. The electric can carry you though the bog prone areas of the launch, and help avoid losses from inconsistent boost pressures at launch.

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Nice, man!! i'll be following this one..

But no matter how awesome it becomes with your tweaking, i still wish they would have done it right in the first place. Just pisses me off because i had money saved up for a downpayment on one before they announced the specs.. i thought maybe.. it would be in the 150hp zone. I dig the looks, just can't live with the drivetrain.

I suppose any turd can be polished if you have a few materials engineers nearby

 

[liveforphysics]

Agreed. The electric can carry you though the bog prone areas of the launch, and help avoid losses from inconsistent boost pressures at launch.

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Nice, man!! i'll be following this one..

But no matter how awesome it becomes with your tweaking, i still wish they would have done it right in the first place. Just pisses me off because i had money saved up for a downpayment on one before they announced the specs.. i thought maybe.. it would be in the 150hp zone. I dig the looks, just can't live with the drivetrain.

I suppose any turd can be polished if you have a few materials engineers nearby

Ehh, just get one, scrap the drivetrain and drop a K in it. Instant FTMFW street domination.

 

[Arlo1]

Ehh, just get one, scrap the drivetrain and drop a K in it. Instant FTMFW street domination.

Yeh and we should take the efi off everything and put carbs back on and get rid of electronic ignition go back to points with a distributor! :wink:
But in all reality what honda needs to do is hand Bisi a bunch of electric stuff and have him yank the ICE all together and say make it fast as an electic only and leave the ICE in the pits for charging the batteries and roasting hot dogs on.

 

[neptronix]

Ehh, just get one, scrap the drivetrain and drop a K in it. Instant FTMFW street domination.

Ha! only an eat-sleep-live Honda guy would do that.. It would be cool as hell, but $19k CR-Z chassis VS $1-$5k 90's chassis with a better rear suspension and lower weight.. hmm... hard choice

 

[peterperkins]

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Nice project and the above sounds familiar :wink:

 

[liveforphysics]

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

Nice project and the above sounds familiar :wink:

Yep.

It would be nice to make it provide a useful contribution for the racing effort plans for the car. I think we can make it happen.

 

[lifepo4ever]

i can see again honda as low torque compare to srt-4 turbo set up did you do something for the cylinder sleeve because it will blow !! compare to srt-4 turbo set up of my friend got 446lbs of torque with 500hp with a gt 35 at 24 pounds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S__dvNY9wJs

the part part like the most of your project is the hybrid conversion its so sick!! i hope you live more pics

 

[LOWRACER]

AMAZING CAR!!! .....but that's something for the police!
...and I thought everyone wanna stay "electric" here

I've found something to combine a lot of power in a boringly normal car, of course electric:
[youtube]BrHXdM9f13k[/youtube]

 

[grindz145]

We are actually talking about swapping Honda's pack for Nano-Tech's, and finding out how hard we can push the factory controller through spoofing the current sensors before it blows.

This would be amazing. Commercially, the CRZ is a flop IMO. Not great gas mileage, not great performance, doesn't really make anyone happy. But this thing is what it should have been. Does your buddy work for Honda or something? How did he manage to get it before it was released?

 

[lifepo4ever]

yes i know this car it does 10 second in the quarter mile!!!

 

[Arlo1]

yes i know this car it does 10 second in the quarter mile!!!

Not sure if you are tring to be funny or what but this has not run at the track yet! My money is on bisi getting into the 8's. In 2011! And once someone gets a killer 3 phase ac controller to work even faster!

 

[lifepo4ever]

i talk about the video of the white zombie car doing 10 second a 8 second car electric i want to see that !!

 

[Arlo1]

i talk about the video of the white zombie car doing 10 second a 8 second car electric i want to see that !!

Oh I see... Well this is not the white zombie this is a new car its a hybrid and its going to use as the title says a 470 Hp gassoline engine and the hybrid assist as well! It will be much faster!

 

[liveforphysics]

i talk about the video of the white zombie car doing 10 second a 8 second car electric i want to see that !!

Oh I see... Well this is not the white zombie this is a new car its a hybrid and its going to use as the title says a 470 Hp gassoline engine and the hybrid assist as well! It will be much faster!

Well, they are about 1,000hp short of running 8's. If it were a naturally aspirated engine, 470whp could see a high 8 (maybe, it would be the first ever NA FWD to do it), but turbo engines suck at having the rapid rate of change in RPMs needed, so they generally gotta have at least twice the HP or more to run the same times. You see the biggest example of this in domestic prostock cars. NA 1350hp V8 running 6.50s in the quarter mile. Turbo charged engines in the very same prostock chassis at the same #2350lbs prostock chassis need ~2,400bhp to match the times.

 

[Arlo1]

i talk about the video of the white zombie car doing 10 second a 8 second car electric i want to see that !!

Oh I see... Well this is not the white zombie this is a new car its a hybrid and its going to use as the title says a 470 Hp gassoline engine and the hybrid assist as well! It will be much faster!

Well, they are about 1,000hp short of running 8's. If it were a naturally aspirated engine, 470whp could see a high 8 (maybe, it would be the first ever NA FWD to do it), but turbo engines suck at having the rapid rate of change in RPMs needed, so they generally gotta have at least twice the HP or more to run the same times. You see the biggest example of this in domestic prostock cars. NA 1350hp V8 running 6.50s in the quarter mile. Turbo charged engines in the very same prostock chassis at the same #2350lbs prostock chassis need ~2,400bhp to match the times.

My money is on bisi making more power from the turbo motor! And the hybrid assist will help a lot if done right! Not so much with HP but the hybrid will increase the torque!

 

[Arlo1]

Red sled srt4 has turned a 9.00 1/4 time and they were ~ the 800 hp mark last I saw!

 

[lifepo4ever]

yes you rigth arlo! the math are good and i hope to see a video of youur project soon!!