$5000 Zero Wannabe? 90mph, 90mi range?

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Sorry everyone, I just stumbled across Cyclone Taiwan and saw this:

http://www.cyclone-tw.com/order-ebikes.htm

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"Electric Dirt bike 10KW continue controller 60-84V 20 kw Max . Top speed 150km/h 72V 60AH LiFePo4. range up to 150km"

Is this for real?
 
Looks cool.
I don't know why they put a little puppy sitting on top of it... I guess to help get an idea of size.
I noticed you can even buy that bike without battery $2,158 USD which seems like pretty good deal, and I have found my self quite enjoying playing/building batteries. Says $604 for shipping for me.

This is the same site that sells the popular crank/mid drive ebike kits right? So I assume its quite legit.

Interesting how a company thats core business has been mid drive ebike kits has decided to build a hub wheel design for these bigger products, I think the ugly truth has been forced out of them by those designs by saying if reliability is most important then go hub style.
 
Neiler106 said:
Sorry everyone, I just stumbled across Cyclone Taiwan and saw this:

"Electric Dirt bike 10KW continue controller 60-84V 20 kw Max . Top speed 150km/h 72V 60AH LiFePo4. range up to 150km"

Is this for real?
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Why not? Its a production ICE chassis, produced by the 100K's probably, with a mass produced hubmotor and controller. Its a zero clone lite at best, but the economics of the approach say its overdue.
 
Ya know, for the price of some more expensive e-bikes out there you could really have an off the radar dirt-bike with conservatively 60mph at 60miles but with the performance of something that is build to handle it.

At least you know if something on it breaks, or the batteries are crap, that you can fix them without taking it to a ZERO dealership. Which im sure are located conveniently not-anywhere-near-you today!
 
One is engineered another is cobbled.

They're not in the same class, regardless of specs.

That being said, about dam time we started to see more low end stuff like this.
I think 9C have something similar on their Alibaba page.
 
Definitely not so "Sorted out" as I'd expect a Zero to be, but I'd say for those of us that can't afford a Zero anyway. . . .

So that 72v/60a Lipo4 is $2,250, I would think that includes a charger. What do you think of the price? I tend to doubt the range they're giving.

I don't like the idea of that little folding bike with a 2,500w motor.
 
Dauntless said:
I tend to doubt the range they're giving.
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Yeah at full speed for sure, but remember all you have to do to get 150km range on ANY ebike is set your throttle to 4.5km/h (wheel chair speed)
Try it for your self on the ebikes.ca simuluator! Just put in 15% throttle on default bike setup and change nothing else and it says you can go 151km distance on a 36v 14Ah battery. Maths don't lie.
http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html

Also looked around on alibaba out of interest, found these two sporty road type ones, both hub style.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/buy-adult-Chinese-cheap-electric-dirt_1576783042.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/electric-dirt-bike-for-adult_1282545621.html
 
For sure, there is no possible way that a rear hubmotor is in the same class as a Zero.

But I'd love one I bet. For sure, the range they claim is 5mph, downhill, with a tailwind. Range is what you spend on it. At 90 mph, I can only guess at the wh/mi. 150 wh/mi? 300? more? That would be more like 5- 10 mile range.

About 4500wh in their battery. Do they plan on carrying it in that flimsy bag? How wide does that end up being? First time you lay it down it costs you $3000?

Oh yeah, that's zero class. :lol: Bet it would be a fun ride though, with a smaller and more protected battery.
 
Same thing in low, RR-style frame with full fairing would be lot more aerodynamic. Better range.
What i am really looking up to is when somebody cranks up fully covered trike like Mango Sport with that sorta powertrain.
Very low aero and huge space for batteries under the fairing.
Sure that thing would be fun to ride.
 
Eskimo said:
Same thing in low, RR-style frame with full fairing would be lot more aerodynamic. Better range.
What i am really looking up to is when somebody cranks up fully covered trike like Mango Sport with that sorta powertrain.
Very low aero and huge space for batteries under the fairing.
Sure that thing would be fun to ride.
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Motorcycle fairings are a cheap way to cover up the ugly bits underneath and deflect the air in a way that's advantageous to the rider. The aerodynamic drag is nearly the same as having no fairing.

Mango Sport velomobiles are highly engineered to make the most of limited pedal power. As long as the outside shape were the same, the working bits inside wouldn't need to cost as much when there is 5X the amount of power available. I'd think low-power electric trikes with aero shapes would be an exploitable market similar in economics to the moto in the OP.
 
t3sla said:
One is engineered another is cobbled.
They're not in the same class, regardless of specs.
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+1 . I just love they way people throw the word clone around on ES. :mrgreen:

t3sla said:
That being said, about dam time we started to see more low end stuff like this.
I think 9C have something similar on their Alibaba page.
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It's been easy for a few years now, and if you live where it's flat it's downright simple. Much better to build your own and keep the weight down.
 
Eskimo said:
What i am really looking up to is when somebody cranks up fully covered trike like Mango Sport with that sorta powertrain.
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It would be a death trap at those speeds. It's just too light. Yes, something with great aero is needed, but no way I'd start with a velo meant for pedal power.
 
John in CR said:
Eskimo said:
What i am really looking up to is when somebody cranks up fully covered trike like Mango Sport with that sorta powertrain.
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It would be a death trap at those speeds. It's just too light. Yes, something with great aero is needed, but no way I'd start with a velo meant for pedal power.
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True. Of course it would need some serious rebuild, harder frame, moped tires, wider wheelspan, etc, but i mean the concept is very interesting.
Low aero fiberglass fairing powerful trike. Something like 65mph maintained would be enough for a start.
Standard Mango with some 2-3kw would be nice too. Bit dangerous of course, but shurely fast and good range.
Fully faired low trike is the cheapest way to go fast&far with E-power.
 
there is definitely not 4.5kwh of lifepo4 on that bike in the OP. The bag is just for your belongings I suppose.
 
Looks to me like maybe there is a 10 ah battery in that picture.

I don't mind the word clone, but it must be a very close copy for the term to apply. For example, you can swap a 9c stator into a muxus rotor, and the 9c hub covers fit the muxus rotor. Even the bolt holes line up fine.

That's a clone.
 
Maybe Zero wannabe, poor imitation, dreaming, etc.

Zero Clone --- ROTFLMAO...
 
We were just discussing in another thread lipo in a motorbike with no balancing is unfeasable. Under what circumstance/setup would you put in HK lipo?

Also it might not be a clone but it does look quite large for a grey market bike. It would be interesting to get some exact total length, handle bar and seat height.
Wouldn't surprise me if the length and handle bar height etc are basically the same. Considering most grey market stuff comes considerable smaller then the original, you could put this into at least the category of "grey market answer" instead of "clone"
 
Beastie,
It's simply a hubmotor and battery put on a generic gasser moto frame, so I find clone, grey market, etc descriptions baffling.
 
on whether how far it can go for this e motor bike, it still depend how much full throttle he use. some countries like here .you will never able to find or locate any companies are able to create a design like this. so this design is excellent for people need e bike/motor without they need to design and build one or himself. even the body frame are really hard to locate. at least there a choice for user
 
To make it go 90 MPH and have a range of 90 miles it would cost probably 3 times as in much in batteries. I think the specs at best are more like 90 KPH and a range of 90 km, even that I think they really pushing it. Either way you are going to have to carry a lot of batteries. Kind of gets from having an electric bike, at this size/price it might be better to get a used gas powered bike.
 
I am tired of the speculation on this thread and I DEMAND some one buy this bike and provide a detailed review.
After playing 6 hours of Poker, drinking 4 bears, 2 wines and 3 bourbons it seems like a incredibly reasonable request from the internet.
Thanks.
 
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