ADVICE - Puncture proof/Slick fast tyres ?

bilabonic

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Hi All

Planning my build around a standard 18" MTB, will have x6 of these mounted in FalconEV 19" triangle bag.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__26675__Turnigy_5000mAh_6S_20C_Lipo_Pack_UK_Warehouse_.html?strSearch=Turnigy%205000mAh%206S%2020C%20Lipo

BAFANG BPM 36V500W REAR DRIVING BIKE CONVERSION KIT as well.

Want some slick/puncture proof road tyres.

Anyone recommend anything ?

Thanks
 
Nothing is puncture proof where I live. Inch long mesquite thorns everywhere dirt, construction flatbed trailers sprinkle the paved with nails.

I've just come to rely on chunky 4x4 and atv fomula slime, and the thicker tubes. For smaller thorns, tire liners work. The best ones I ever ran were made from worn out slick tires with the bead cut off.

Cheap tires do shred easy, despite claims of Kevlar inside or whatever. People do like better tires, such as schwalbe big apples. But nothing is puncture proof.

For me, the slime works good. The thorns are long, but slender, and I ride around with literally 50-100 holes in my tubes on the dirt bike.
 
I have over 16,000 miles on Michelin City Pilot tires with two total failures. One was from a box cutter blade, and one was from a large construction staple. My previous 2,000 miles were on other tires (including the lesser guarded Michelin City) which got thorn flats nearly 6x/year. With the City Pilot, I use no slime, and thin tubes!

-- Alan
 
I used to run Maxis Hookworms as my plush tyre, but I can't get them now, so I have been running these: http://www.rei.com/product/724622/serfas-drifter-city-tire-26-x-20 and have been really happy with the performance and puncture resistance.

If you want a thinner tyre, in terms of a good road or commuter tyre, I have always loved the Schwalbe Marathons (I don't think I have ever got a flat with these): http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=24542&gclid=CJrluMyPu7YCFYxcpQodRgIA1w
 
Hookworms or CST Cyclops from Amazon, I haven't gotten flat tires over 10k miles and I commute to work everyday since almost 3 years straight.

1. Hookworms or CST Cyclops 26x2.5 tyres
2. Mr Tuffy tire liners (Regular (avoid lite verison))
3. Giant heavy duty tube 26x2.5

3 of these combine are the key prevent tire flat. I abused my ebike with the 9c, MPIII, and now beast cromotor 52mph (85kph) motors.

*knock the wood* :mrgreen:
 
alan said:
I have over 16,000 miles on Michelin City Pilot tires with two total failures. One was from a box cutter blade, and one was from a large construction staple. My previous 2,000 miles were on other tires (including the lesser guarded Michelin City) which got thorn flats nearly 6x/year. With the City Pilot, I use no slime, and thin tubes!

-- Alan

I have a pair of those and they go pop every time i roll over the goatheads here. I've barely got any miles on them..
Not very puncture proof.

My specialized armadillos and Schwalbe tires have been bulletproof though.
 
Maxxis Hookworms, the 2 ply kind, thick DH tube, and a half a bottle of slime each. I've been rolling that for 5 years without a flat, and I have pulled out 2 inch thorns, roofing nails, ect from my tires. They are simply the best tire I have ever used in any environment.

The CST are good but they are clones of the single ply hookworms. Good enough for most but just not the same.

If you want a thinner tire, the Armadillos are almost as good. And anything Schwable makes is going to work well, too.
 
Hi All

Planning my build around a standard 18" MTB, will have x6 of these mounted in FalconEV 19" triangle bag.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__26675__Turnigy_5000mAh_6S_20C_Lipo_Pack_UK_Warehouse_.html?strSearch=Turnigy%205000mAh%206S%2020C%20Lipo



Grab that LIPO - Fair price (I got me 1 x 6 pack of the above at US$ 4 above your quoted rate) DAMN Cost me US$ 52.00 a brick (6s1p x 6) late last year and got slayed at the import / tax duties. Could have bought a full 350cc GAS guzzler scooter for the price of the LIPO, no FROCKING motor or controller - However LIPO rules - Treat it with respect and you gonna love the results!

As per your tyre issues - Damn, if I could get hold of a set of BF Goodrich AT in a bicycle tyre that would be the bomb. Just close on a 95000KM on my second set on the 4x4 and not one issue. MAXXIS are great, had major crap with CST (with Tyre liners, tubes and slime). Happy building.

Apologies for the "Hasty Quote" -Need to quantify my CST opinion (SA is a quick and cheap dumping ground for CST tyres at premium cost.) Chroot - has a good idea - CST Cyclops 26x2.5 tyres. Cheap, dependable [relative] for good daily on-road use, No pothole -offroad (SA use).
Local bike shop replaced two sets of tyres with CST thick wall tyres, CST tubes and "free" fanny pack after I could prove my use was not abusive. (Took the local yocal bike shop wanker on a short route with my crap setup through a few quick turns I need to negotiate on my commute.) Needless to say he's tubeless apple's turned into pear's. - :)

Still a nice score on the LIPO!! - Cheers
 
i use these tubes

http://road.cc/content/review/3646-kenda-thorn-resistant-inner-tube

And Big apple tires...no flats last year, 200km a week for 6 months. All City riding. I run them at 50psi, rated 30-55psi...nice smooth ride
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A Article in Bicycle Times issue 21, page 47 on puncture proof fast rolling tires on many different sizes tested. Planning to try the Schwalbe Marathon Tire

1) Schwalbe Marathon Mondial Tires
Available in 26 to 700c, Evolution Line and Performance Line. schwalbetires.com

2) Freedom Cruz Tires
26 and 29 mountain bike tires for commuting. freedombicycle.com
 
Marathon plus's are the best tire i've used so far.

Big apples are not resistant at all. Maybe they're flat proof if you don't pick this kinda stuff out of your tires every ride, like i do:

schwalbes_rule.jpg
 
neptronix said:
alan said:
I have over 16,000 miles on Michelin City Pilot tires with two total failures. One was from a box cutter blade, and one was from a large construction staple. My previous 2,000 miles were on other tires (including the lesser guarded Michelin City) which got thorn flats nearly 6x/year. With the City Pilot, I use no slime, and thin tubes!

-- Alan

I have a pair of those and they go pop every time i roll over the goatheads here. I've barely got any miles on them..
Not very puncture proof.

My specialized armadillos and Schwalbe tires have been bulletproof though.

Nep, I'm with you there. Specialized Armadillo's are the shizzy. I keep trying to tell people about them. They are the best, period. I don't even carry a spare patch kit anymore.
 
Do Armadillo's come in anything wider than 1.95" in 26" dia?
 
Ykick said:
Do Armadillo's come in anything wider than 1.95" in 26" dia?

Sadly not.
I think the widest tire is the smart sam ( but it's a mountain bike tire... ) at 26x2.25

http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/off-road_tires/smart_sam_plus

Next smallest is the big apple plus at 2.15", which is pretty good actually..

http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/big_apple_plus

p.s. itchynackers, thanks for spreading the word. I don't think that puncture proof tires get enough publicity or interest. I went through something like 4 sets of brand new tires that claimed to be puncture proof until i found out about specialized and schwalbe. What a waste! The more people buy these puncture proof tires and stop wasting their money on all kinds of gimmicks and regular thin tires, the better choices we will get!
 
bilabonic said:
Want some slick/puncture proof road tyres.

Anyone recommend anything ?

Puncture resistance and speed work against each other. Panaracer RiBMo is the fastest tire I know that is still very effectively armored. Others I know swear by Panaracer T-Serv or Schwalbe Marathon Supreme for the same role.

If the bias is towards flatproofness rather than speed, check out Schwalbe Marathon Plus, Michelin Pilot City, or CST Salvo. Specialized Armadillo tires have earned a reputation for puncture resistance, but they ride terribly and are slow.

CST Cyclops, Schwalbe Big Apple, Maxxis Hookworm, and Origin 8 Captiv8er are big fat tires with a good compromise of puncture resistance, ride quality, speed, rim protection, and durability. None of them are armored according to my definition of the term; they are just sturdy. Some of them have Kevlar belts which resist tears and cuts but not thorns, wires, glass slivers, etc.

Most utility tires work fine in most places. Some places have blights like lots of broken bottles, goatheads, or flints to spoil the riding experience. The most effective flat preventives (like armored tire + extra thick tube + sealant) are appropriate in those blighted places, but they're usually not worth the tradeoffs in ride quality or rolling resistance outside those places.

Camel:

Maxxis, CST, and Cheng Shin are all the same company. To my taste, Maxxis tires are far too expensive for what they are, Cheng Shin tires are almost uniformly crude and crappy, and CST tires are usually good value for what they cost. Each one of these brands has a lot of different models, so it's a matter of getting a tire that matches your application. I have not found anything about a Maxxis tire for a given application that justifies 2X or 3X the cost of a CST tire made for the same application. To me, they seem about the same, with Maxxis tire models concentrated in the specialties that people are willing to pay more for.

Neptronix:

Thin tires are generally faster, lighter, more comfortable, better handling, cheaper, and easier to install and remove than tires with effective armor. Regular bikes are relatively easy to service, and leg power is too precious to squander just heating up chunky tires that spoil the ride quality anyway. The pushbike market must be at least 100X the e-bike market, so it drives availability of bicycle tires. Thus we have lots of tires that are optimized for speed and comfort, and lots of tires that are optimized for very low cost, but not too many tires to serve flat-phobic people who put in big miles and are willing to spend a fair amount of money. (Riding lots of miles on a bike is usually a cure for flat phobia. Or in the case of a hub motor equipped bike, perhaps a cause thereof.)

Of course there are gimmicky items like horrible-riding foam tires for the significant market of people who have pet notions, but don't actually ride their bikes much. Specialized Armadillo tires ride so poorly that I tend to count them in this latter category, even though they have effective protection and they usually last a long time.

Michelin tires have infuriatingly stupid overlapping names, and I wonder whether you actually tried the Michelin Pilot City. It looks a lot like the similarly named Michelin City, but the Pilot City has a Marathon Plus type thick elastomer belt, and the City does not.
 
Chalo said:
Neptronix:

Thin tires are generally faster, lighter, more comfortable, better handling, cheaper, and easier to install and remove than tires with effective armor. Regular bikes are relatively easy to service, and leg power is too precious to squander just heating up chunky tires that spoil the ride quality anyway. The pushbike market must be at least 100X the e-bike market, so it drives availability of bicycle tires. Thus we have lots of tires that are optimized for speed and comfort, and lots of tires that are optimized for very low cost, but not too many tires to serve flat-phobic people who put in big miles and are willing to spend a fair amount of money. (Riding lots of miles on a bike is usually a cure for flat phobia. Or in the case of a hub motor equipped bike, perhaps a cause thereof.)

I understand these things when we're talking about a pushbike. A tire that goes flat every 50 miles is OK when your bike spends 330 days a year in the garage. But that's because stupid North American tastes are oriented around recreational use more than commuting use.

Flat phobia is not some kind of mental illness here, i've had flats within 2 miles of my house after putting a brand new tube in. After buying "puncture proof" michelin city tire proteks months before. Then i replaced the tube and got another flat in 5 miles due to what you see pictured.. :lol: this is on a pushbike with no motor that i use for hardware store runs.

So yeah, what the bike industry wants and what i want are two different things. I'm just saying that your dollar spent on a serious puncture proof tire is a vote for more of them to be made, ultimately. Hey, we can buy tires built just for ebikes now, thanks to schwalbe. Look at the energizer series... though they're a little on the narrow side.
 
Chalo,
For me, sacrificing a bit of ride quality (even though they ride just fine for me) is a fantastic trade-off to never getting a flat. The longevity is just a bonus. I suppose they don't "look" as good as other tires either, but I don't give a sh.t. If the day ever comes that I get a flat, then I'll consider trying a different tire. I suspect it will be a while.
 
No doubt about it, even with a motor you feel the difference in the ride. I put about a cup of slime in each tube of the dirt bike. But I just have to have it.

Nep, you call those thorns?
Typical mesquite thorns.jpg
 
I used Schwalbe Big Apples and Mr Tuffy Tyre liners. The setup worked pretty well in the end. The thorn wouldnt pass fully through the kevlar lined tyre, the tyre liner would prevent it from touching the innertube.

Personally, I didn't like the Big Apples. At a lower PSI, it felt like I was riding on a flat tyre; at a higher PSI, I picked up every thorn/debris in the road!

Always carry a spare tube and fitting kit!

I am now going to run Hookworms with tyre liners.
 
dogman said:
No doubt about it, even with a motor you feel the difference in the ride. I put about a cup of slime in each tube of the dirt bike. But I just have to have it.

Nep, you call those thorns?

...sweet mother of god!
It must be that the further south you go, the worse these get.
They're kinda like spikes in a nintendo/sega game from the 1990's... instant death :lol:
 
I have a single lasting memory of riding in the hills around Presidio, Texas in the Chihuahuan desert. The temperature that day on the clock down at the bank was 110F. I got a flat-- because every living thing in that landscape seems to have either thorns or fangs-- and stopped to patch it, and then on returning to my bike I found its metal parts too hot to touch.

For some environments, way way too much flat protection is almost enough. In those places, you do what you have to do to stay rolling. Some bikes make wheel changes ridiculously complicated, but with these it is often possible to do Dutch style repairs (patching the tube without taking the wheel off). In either case, using some good flat protection is a fine approach. In my observation, the order of net effectiveness is as follows:

Thick armored tires
Kevlar belted tires
Thick tubes
Sealant (e.g. Slime)
Liners (e.g. Mr Tuffy)

They all have drawbacks, but the benefit to drawback ratio is radically different among these different measures. Liners abrade tubes and cause punctures, and they can slip out of position any time the tire is deflated. Sealants cause valve failures by clogging valve passages, and they interfere with patching. Thick tubes don't cause failures, but they don't do much good either, and they negatively affect ride quality. Belted tires protect against some but not all kinds of punctures; thickly armored tires offer the best protection at the expense of weight, ride quality, and handing.
 
Drunkskunk said:
Maxxis Hookworms, the 2 ply kind, thick DH tube, and a half a bottle of slime each. I've been rolling that for 5 years without a flat,

Use the same tire with slime haven't had issues with punctures...thankfully i saved
2 new 24X2.5in hookies for laterz as they no longer make the 24in as Philistine mentioned above :)

KiM

EDiT:- Make that 3 new tires saved for laterz ;)
 
chroot said:
Hookworms or CST Cyclops from Amazon, I haven't gotten flat tires over 10k miles and I commute to work everyday since almost 3 years straight.

1. Hookworms or CST Cyclops 26x2.5 tyres
2. Mr Tuffy tire liners (Regular (avoid lite verison))
3. Giant heavy duty tube 26x2.5

3 of these combine are the key prevent tire flat. I abused my ebike with the 9c, MPIII, and now beast cromotor 52mph (85kph) motors.

*knock the wood* :mrgreen:


That is one HEAVY setup! But no flats is worth a lot....
 
Only now getting my kit and nearly ready to roll.

I am in the UK and will be going for Schwalbe Marathon, my PRIORITY is not to get a puncture plus comfort before speed/distance.

My rims are 26" x 1.5 BUT i will be carrying extra weight.

What width do i go for and at what pressure ? I was going to get 1.75" BUT have been informed that is to narrow and will reduce ride comfort.

Was thinking of getting these and running at a lower pressure to soak up potholes etc, i will NOT be going of road at all.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/schwalbe-marathon-plus-atb-flat-less-reflective-tyre-26-x-2-00-/121052159973?pt=UK_Spots_Leisure_Cycling_Tools_RepairKits&hash=item1c2f455fe5

What do you think ?

Cheers
 
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