Aussie 200 Watt Limit Thread

I must consider moving back to SA. In NSW it is $50 just have them do the paperwork to swap plates from one car to another.

Re Big Apples no Aussie link but Fat Franks (very similar) are cheap to buy at the Yuba Mundo site, not counting shipping...

http://yubaride.com/yubashop/
 
250w is a tiny step in the right direction but making a throttle illegal is gay... :|
If Mr Sheen was serious about climate change upping the limit to even 500w would put alot more bums on ebike seats
 
Hyena said:
250w is a tiny step in the right direction but making a throttle illegal is gay... :|
If Mr Sheen was serious about climate change upping the limit to even 500w would put alot more bums on ebike seats
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The 250w is measured at the rear whell Hyena after losses this would equate to around 500watt motor...thats my arguement when they question my ::cough: 6 :cough: D 500watt beast :mrgreen:

KiM
 
Its not the 250W limit but the 25km/hr that sound ridiculous. What's with that?? Any fit cyclist would average more than that! They not helping the e-bike industry in the slightest.

hozozco - BigApples AU$25, spend over $83 and get them delivered for nothing.
 
full-throttle said:
Its not the 250W limit but the 25km/hr that sound ridiculous. What's with that?? Any fit cyclist would average more than that! They not helping the e-bike industry in the slightest.

hozozco - BigApples AU$25, spend over $83 and get them delivered for nothing.
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Actually, it was me asking about them and thanks for the info. I was trying to find an ozzie dealer though.

Cheers,
GT
 
I've read via the above links that the nsw rta via Gabriel Denoury is about to get the new regulations going. But I can't find anything but hearsay and gossip. One site implied that bikes could not have a throttle that operates above 6 kph. This is basically what I feared; a bunch dumb restrictions and regulations which will just make ebikes expensive and complicated.

2 points. Pedalec will not work with non hub chain driven systems. If you can't control the motor power you can't change gears.

Also how will they distinguish from pre reg and post reg setups? I bet you my left one they'll just outlaw our current systems. They will just argue that the existing rules already outlaw throttles due to the auxillary motor thing.

Bugger me it's almost enough to make you want to buy a bus pass... almost.
 
all74 said:
2 points. Pedalec will not work with non hub chain driven systems. If you can't control the motor power you can't change gears.
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Not true. For most pedelec systems, motor power is proportional to pedal power. There are many examples out there.

For the arguments used, see attached study.
 

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Excellent thanks for that link Miles. That clears up some of the rumours for me. Looks like they are all true! I wish I was more into this stuff 12 months ago when they were taking submissions.

Maybe I'm not up on high tech pedal first systems (like the Aprilla?) My old hub motor bike has a very simple pedal sensor. A magnetic pickup to detect pedal speed rather than effort. I can't see this simple kind of sensor working with my elation system in any practical way, other than as a simple interlock to throttle use. I'm sure there are more complex ways of doing this that could work.

I also wonder how non hub through the gears systems could be speed limited, short of extra wheel sensors?

The report really has no good solutions for dealing with existing systems under the new rules. Also if you want to build your own system getting one of the suggested "plates" or "labels" could prove difficult or at least involve an expensive trip to the dyno.
 
all74 said:
Maybe I'm not up on high tech pedal first systems (like the Aprilla?) My old hub motor bike has a very simple pedal sensor. A magnetic pickup to detect pedal speed rather than effort. I can't see this simple kind of sensor working with my elation system in any practical way. I'm sure there are more complex ways of doing this that could work.
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Some info on the Panasonic system, the most commonly used in Europe:

http://www.50cycles.com/panasonic-system.shtml

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/flecc/powerlevel.html
 
I understand the rationale of the low power limits, but in conjunction with that I believe another more powerful motor vehicle classification is needed for which obtaining registration is hassle free, and whose fees are commensurate with the vehicles' impact on traffic and roadways. To me that's the missing piece virtually everywhere, because for the first time since horse and wagons were the typical form of transportation, common people are able to easily build their own vehicle. Moped laws may be good basis in many areas, but I haven't heard of anywhere that the process is an easy one.
 
John in CR said:
Moped laws may be good basis in many areas
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This seems like the logical step for the more powerful e-bikes, let them be licensed as mopeds. I
wouldn't have a problem with that...except i would need to get me a moped license....and pay off
the 300 dollar outstanding fine I have had with the Police for the last 10 years or so hehe

KiM
 
I would have no issue getting a license, and registering my bike.

Getting approved tyres, rims, and lights wouldn't be that hard. But I doubt I will find an engineer who would sign off on it.
They would be basically take responsbility that a bike frame and parts are ready for the road, and all the speeds allowed of a moped/motorbike.

Who would be crazy enough to sign that bit of paper. You would want a decent insurance policy.
 
Again they'd need a seperate category with maybe a 60km/hr limit or something.

I reckon I could make a business converting these sachs madasses with say 4000w motors :p
Remove the ICE, replace it with lithium and fit a big hub motor and bobs your uncle.
It weighs bugger all and meets all the road/rego requirements

Sachs-Madass_1.jpg
 
Hmm. Not a bad candidate for conversion. Should be enough room for batteries.
But if I was going for no pedals, I would still probably go for a proper motorbike.
 
That Maddass bike would be great for conversion. The petrol tank is in the frame so I bet it could be emptied out and filled with batteries. Trouble is those 125cc motors which come with most of them are pretty efficient and last forever (based on a honda design), so it wouldn't make economic sense but would be a great project.

I own a motor scooter which is great for longer distances but I like the fact that I can do things on my ebike that I couldn't do with a road registered bike, like have 2 passengers, tow a trailer and ride on bike paths. What the police tolerate for bicycles they wouldn't tolerate for road registered bikes. So even if there was some kind of middle way to register an ebike you would just end up underpowered and with stuck with using the road network.
 
I think they've stopped making them now. They come up on ebay from time to time. They were very expensive for such a low powered and low equipment spec bike.
 
Hyena said:
I think they've stopped making them now. They come up on ebay from time to time. They were very expensive for such a low powered and low equipment spec bike.
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They never should have started making that monstrosity. It looks like they had 6 different designers come up with different portions of the bike with zero communication allowed between the 6, like a Borg making machine gone haywire.
 
John in CR said:
They never should have started making that monstrosity. It looks like they had 6 different designers come up with different portions of the bike with zero communication allowed between the 6, like a Borg making machine gone haywire.
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That's a bit harsh. Obviously somebody loves it...(maybe only it's Mother, but still...).

I've not seen it in the flesh, but I think it looks cool, better that a lot of e-bikes that look like granny bikes. Not that there is anything wrong with that - mine has a touch of granny about it.

:)
 
hozozco said:
gtadmin said:
Just in case you want to see what an aprilia looks like

Cheers,
GT
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Looks great - do you have a link with specs etc? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks

:)
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No electronic specs but a link to a "road test" http://www.gizmag.com/go/1285/
Some pictures of the commuter version http://www.gizmag.com/go/1285/gallery/ ... and I have the handbook

Interestingly, in 2006 I paid $1800 new but the retail was $2700, but I think I got a demo, because the performance never matched what was claimed, not even close. I pretty sure the battery is kaput, so I ordered some 5800mah8s lipo last night to go into it and we'll see how it goes. Not quite sure how to charge it (8s is 29.6v nom and 32.8v @ 4.1v - hoi Hyena) and balance it yet.
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Hyena said:
I think they've stopped making them now. They come up on ebay from time to time. They were very expensive for such a low powered and low equipment spec bike.
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They never should have started making that monstrosity. It looks like they had 6 different designers come up with different portions of the bike with zero communication allowed between the 6, like a Borg making machine gone haywire.
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Yes, they have stopped making them. But, what else was available at the time as a turn-key? I did look at the epac and the elation, but in comparison, they look amateurish, and they wanted almost the same coin. Oh, and Brett White's hubs.

Cheers,
GT
 
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