Best way to make a 13Ah min up to 10c discharge 70 cell batt

terramir

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Looking into building a replacement battery design for
The 2gen prius, with 5 cells per block I.e 16 V nominal per block the prius would monitor each of the 14 blocks.
Total nominal voltage would be 224 V discharge would be about 100 A maybe 133.6 A intermittently 133.6 is the max designed draw for the prius and i so a 10 C discharge would be required, unless I go with 20 Ah the it be more like 7 C.
What batteries would be most cost efficient for the job, plan is to also plug-in the pack and charge it intermittently to about 90-95% that's when major balancing work would take place.
The original space is about 550mmx260mmx105mm
For 28 modules I.e but each 5 cell block or multiple of 5 cells would need to fit in approximately a space of 260mm x 39.28mm x 105mm I.e two modules space can anyone tell me if this could be done and if so with which cells, I could wire the blocks in a different arrangement however the overall volume does not leave much wiggle room unless I abandoned the internal squeeze frame in which case I could gain 40 mm total so about 3mm each twomoduleblock 42 instead of 39 and maybe 20 mm in height. But would be better if I could avoid this.
Can some people here give me some input, the high C rate is probably the biggest catch.
terramir
PS: intermittent charge rates will be about the same as well, but honestly if not charged by wall I assume the SOC of this battery with 70 cells will probably not exceed 60 % more like around 50 on average going back and forth.
 
If you think about doing it with 18650 cells, you can use Samsung INR18650 25R or LG HE4.

You could fit inside a 62s11p that is 223Vnom and 27.5Ah, that would make working the pack at 5C (130A) so that's a good rate for those cells to have a not bad efficiency
 
I was hoping for , lifepo4 instead of li-ion because of the fire danger as well as the pita of needing resistor bridges to make high resistance bridges in order to fool the bms included with the prius. With 14 blocks of 5s lifepo4 the bms should be perfectly happy. Of course I would need to figure out the external charging and balancing so I could maintain the system and get an occasional boost in gas mileage in the process.
Of course even if I charge to 90% I will never fully discharge which would increase the life time of the cells quite a bit
terramir.
 
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