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BMS Distrust for Valued LFPs

pohjeremy

100 mW
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Hi all,

My distaste for BMSes has ended. Looking for an affordable one (from China, not much of a choice). Need advice. 1st timer...help!! :oops:

I've newly acquired 36 x 74Ah LFP cells for a 32s1p arrangement. 4 spares. E-motorbike DIY. Battery + BMS selection stage.

All cells are in the mid-SOC range now (3.290 to 3.291V) about 30-40%. They cost USD6k....darn.

- The BMS needs to be rather flat (20mm height max), not the layered high types. Surface area can be up to 250 x 250.

- The link below shows a 2.50 - 3.65V BMS that's about $200 USD. But I'm willing to fork out another $200 USD for customization costs.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141001.2.OsiSSm&id=42190888184&scm=1007.10115.2077.i26262124428&pvid=de7844bf-fb6d-4226-b425-859a4defe3ea

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Specifications are translated:

● 32S BMS, 150A

● L170 W140 H10 (White socket height 13mm) (My max is 20mm)

● 0.35kg

● Overcharge Protection: 3.65V (i.e., Either individually over 3.65v or combined over 116.8V, the charger switches to balancing mode).

● Over-discharge protection: 2.5V (i.e., LVC at 80V).

● Continuous current: 150A (suitable for 2kW-4kW motor/load).

● Overcurrent protection: 250A.

● Maximum Charge Current: 20A.

● Temperature Protection: 75 degrees (optional).

● Balancing Current: 100mA.

● Power Consumption: approx 50uA.

● Resistance: less than 8mΩ.

● MOSFETS: 200v To-247 (I think it's 4668 but the whole BMS is 2nd-hand).

● Charging and discharge ports are separated. For current past 60A, separated port types are better suited than non-separated-port configs.

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Q: If I've to stick with this vendor, and can discuss w him via phone, what specific components shall I tell him to REPLACE/CUSTOMIZE/CALIBRATE before purchase...?

My new batts are shown below. Pics 2 - 6 prove that a BMS is necessary. They were only at about 30% SOC. All 32 had been parallel balanced and all read 3.298V on the multi-meter. The mini green voltmeters are + 0.03 to + 0.04V from the multi-meter. So 3.34V is near 3.30V. The bulk-charger is 113V, 6A.

I wouldn't like an excessively crappy BMS ruining the pricey CALB batts...yet neither a bulky $1500 Canbus BMS, meant for cars.

Thanks
 

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that battery is for a car, not a bike. i doubt if it could even work in a trailer it is so heavy. you should use the BMS you originally showed us and use the battery in an EV since you will not find a 32S BMS, or sell both of them and get a smaller 48V 16S lifepo4 battery prebuilt for you by someone like sun-thing28 guy or ping or paul.
 
What about 2 of these with relays in series:

http://litrade.de/shop/BMS-Balancer/BMS-Systeme/Akkumonitor-Chargery-BM16LF-3-bis-16-Zellen-jetzt-mit-Schaltausgang.html

Together with a minibms head end board.

http://minibms.mybigcommerce.com/products/MiniBMS-Head-End-Board.html

Would give you HVC and LVC.

Connect the LVC to you controller throttle and chuck the mosfet part.

I guess you wil be using a controller. That controller is designed to handle the current. Those BMS MoSFETs are just cobbled together, dont go there.

I have not tried the Chargery 16 cells monitor, but have a 40 cell system based on Cellog8 using the Mini-BMS head end.

The chargery in the new version can even be supplied from external source to remove drain from the cells.

Should fit in your space. and be lightweight. and it is adjustable.

You would still need some Ah counter,,,,


Just my 2c

Regards
/Per
 
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