BMZ new 21700 cell 3Tron battery

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ES "Search found 4 matches: +3Tron"... One more from "earlier" (September 6):
"‘Quantum Leap’ in Battery Innovations Presented at Eurobike"
http://www.bike-eu.com/home/nieuws/...ry-innovations-presented-at-eurobike-10127504

FRIEDRICHSHAFEN, Germany – Two of the world’s biggest battery suppliers presented major innovations at last week’s Eurobike. Panasonic showed its newly developed 20700 cell. BMZ, however, topped that with the world 1st 21700 cell. With the company’s new 3Tron battery system the lifespan of an e-bike battery is increased to 12 years, claims BMZ.
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(Pic cap: "BMZ’s 3Tron battery system will be produced with big 21700 cells (21mm diameter and 70mm high). Together with stronger conductors and much more active cell material 3Tron offers 12 year lifespan! – Photo BMZ")

BMZ, which is Europe’s biggest battery supplier not only for e-bikes but also for tools, household and gardening appliances, announced its ‘true quantum leap’ in e-bike battery technology in Friedrichshafen. Such leap is needed as electric bikes in particular usually have a much longer lifespan than their batteries. This is commonly a battery with a 18650-cell format. According to BMZ such a battery is exhausted after 3 years at most when its maximum number of charge cycles is reached.

Less heat and up to 60% more capacity

BMZ, together with another global battery player, managed to develop batteries that offer a much longer lifespan thanks to the fact that the new batteries create less heat and has up to 60% more capacity. BMZ says on this, “The increased lifespan of up to 12 years is thanked to the fact that the 60% more capacity allows for a radical reduction in charging cycles, the real battery killers. The need for occasional quick recharges is also greatly decreased.”
3Tron system

BMZ further claims that its new 3Tron system offering a lifespan twice to three times as long as standard batteries will ‘revolutionize e-bike batteries’. Europe’s biggest battery supplier says, “With 3Tron, BMZ is putting its trust in a completely new format: instead of a 18650 (18mm diameter and 65mm high) cell size, 3Tron will be produced as a size 21700 cell (21mm diameter and 70mm high). The increase in output would not be possible with the standard format. The 3Tron battery system, as the first 21700 format system worldwide, is setting the standard in this new class – because it is clear that other manufacturers will follow and produce 21700 format batteries as well: the development possibilities of the 18650 cell format are exhausted.”

50% increase in energy supply

The 3Tron system also comes with high quality materials as stronger conductors which are built into the 21700 cell while the proportion of active cell material has been significantly increased. “This allows a full 50% increase in energy supply. Thanks to low internal resistance, the output increases by 68%. And the 3Tron’s discharge current is actually four times higher than that of standard battery cells. The new 3Tron battery is not only stronger, longer-lasting and higher in endurance than a 18650 cell, it is also lighter due to the premium materials used – as if predestined for the e-bike field,” claims BMZ.

The 3Tron power packs will be assembled in Europe’s giga battery factory: at BMZ in Karlstein, Germany.
Panasonic new 20700 cells

Also Panasonic presented bigger battery cells at last week’s Eurobike. Their newly developed 20700 cell (20mm diameter and 70mm high) is in particular targeting e-MTBs that have downtube mounted batteries. By the way, Eurobike indicated that integrating the battery in the downtube is currently the general trend among electric Mountainbikes. Panasonic says on its 20700 cell, “This battery call has been developed for compact and integrated designs.” Panasonic offers two 36V integrated battery versions with 8 and 12Ah allowing for 288 and 432Wh.

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("Also Panasonic presented bigger battery cells for compact and integrated batteries mounted on e-MTBs downtubes. – Photo Bike Europe")
 
^^ My vote? Fewer wires and connections. :wink:
 
agniusm said:
Looks similar:

I lust. Can picture mounted behind my seat (3wh. recumbent trike aka high speed lawn chair). Good thing green (colour of some bills plus blends with the lawn). I vote highly saleable.
 
......BMZ, together with another global battery player, managed to develop batteries that offer a much longer lifespan thanks to the fact that the new batteries create less heat and has up to 60% more capacity. BMZ says on this, “The increased lifespan of up to 12 years is thanked to the fact that the 60% more capacity allows for a radical reduction in charging cycles, the real battery killers. The need for occasional quick recharges is also greatly decreased.”
3Tron system

BMZ further claims that its new 3Tron system offering a lifespan twice to three times as long as standard batteries will ‘revolutionize e-bike batteries’. Europe’s biggest battery supplier says, “With 3Tron, BMZ is putting its trust in a completely new format: instead of a 18650 (18mm diameter and 65mm high) cell size, 3Tron will be produced as a size 21700 cell (21mm diameter and 70mm high). The increase in output would not be possible with the standard format. The 3Tron battery system, as the first 21700 format system worldwide, is setting the standard in this new class – because it is clear that other manufacturers will follow and produce 21700 format batteries as well: the development possibilities of the 18650 cell format are exhausted.”

50% increase in energy supply

The 3Tron system also comes with high quality materials as stronger conductors which are built into the 21700 cell while the proportion of active cell material has been significantly increased. “This allows a full 50% increase in energy supply. Thanks to low internal resistance, the output increases by 68%. And the 3Tron’s discharge current is actually four times higher than that of standard battery cells. The new 3Tron battery is not only stronger, longer-lasting and higher in endurance than a 18650 cell, it is also lighter due to the premium materials used – as if predestined for the e-bike field,” claims BMZ.....
Those are some impressive, and somewhat confusing claims.
A larger cell, with more capacity, but it weighs less ????
50% more energy
60% more capacity ?
68% increase in output ?
4 times more discharge current ?
Can someone explain that lot ?
I understand this is Sony technology, so good results are to be expected, but some of that ( eg lighter than an 18650), is hard to believe !
 
we should have a competition for the first to find and post a true independent test review of these cells. :D
My guess is that wont happen for another 3-4 months !
..and the early Panasonic 20700 doesnt count !..
http://akkuplus.de/Panasonic-NCR-20700B-36-Volt-4250mAh-Li-Ion-LiNiCoALO2#&gid=1&pid=4
 
ES Bible "Search found 18 matches: +3Tron". Again:

BMZ’s E-Bike Super Batteries with 3Tron Cells Coming:
http://www.bike-eu.com/sales-trends...atteries-3tron-available-in-my-2018-10128867#

Starts:
KARLSTEIN am MAIN, Germany – BMZ is the first company to put a battery on the e-bike market that holds 3Tron cells. According to BMZ, “this battery comes with 3Tron super-strong 21700 cells providing e-bikes more power and an extended range.”

... and:
The battery with 3Tron cells is installed in the BMZ Drive Systems in many models that will be available at bike dealers as of 2018. The new 3Tron 21700 cell offers, “60 percent more capacity while being able to use 400% more discharge current at the same time,” said Sven Bauer, Managing Director of BMZ GmbH in a Bike Europe report.

... and:
Service life of up to 12 years

The BMZ battery with 3Tron cells offers much more energy thanks to the bigger size and the stronger conductors. With suitable chargers, BMZ claims that the e-biker can recharge 80 percent of the battery in just 15 minutes.
 
agniusm said:
Wander if there is more about that battery construction?
Wander whats gonna go mainstream, 21700 or 20700?
If I had to bet money, the 21700, since it's the new Tesla standard and will be in very high volume production before long. And while, to my knowledge, Tesla doesn't sell it's production to the public, Tesla's announcement seems to have helped spur Samsung to begin selling the 21700 when they did.

edit: Samsung has actually been producing 21700's in at least some capacity since 2015 when they announced it at EuroBike of that same year.
 
Hillhater said:
agniusm said:
perhaps lighter per same wh

That is not the way it was worded.( read the quote)
However, i suspect the article may have been derived from a translated text, so some of the technical details could have been corrupted in the process ?

It is referring to the battery pack being lighter. Your quote references "The new 3Tron Battery" at the start of the sentence.

The new 3Tron battery is not only stronger, longer-lasting and higher in endurance than a 18650 cell, it is also lighter due to the premium materials used – as if predestined for the e-bike field,” claims BMZ.....!

The problem is that no manufacture has released a data sheet for a 21700 yet that I can find, if anyone spots one link it please. We don' know the voltage (but 3.6v nominal seems a safe guess for compatibility reasons), the capacity (what we've heard seems to range from a low of 4.8Ah to 5.7Ah or even 6Ah) or cell weight (guesses are around 70g give or take).

A "standard" 40 cell 10s4p battery pack reads out as
18650 - 36v and between 9.6Ah (2.4Ah each) to 13.6Ah (3.4Ah each) for Wh totals of 345.6Wh to 489.6Wh
21700 - 36v and between 19.2Ah (@ 4.8Ah each) to 22.8Ah (@5.7Ah each) for Wh toatals of 691.2Wh to 820Wh

To get a 21700 battery pack in the same range as the 18650 would use as few as 20 cells in a 10s2p pack @9.6Ah (using the low ball 4.8Ah here), so literally 1/2 the number of cells and if their weight is proportional to their volume, then even a 50% increase in weight per cell (it may not be 1:1 since Telsa has said it's a new chemistry in their batteries) ends in a net savings for the entire battery pack. A typical NCR18650 cell is 46.5g, a 50% increase puts the 21700 at around 69.75g. A 40cell 18650 pack would be 1860g in batteries. The 21700 20 cell would weigh 1395g or could be ~25% lighter.
 
Thats only true if you assume a similar capacity pack.
But the quote included the claim of 60% more capacity, and longer life due to reduced charging cycles....
..which couldnt happen if it was a similar capacity pack .
...just pointing out that those original claims wrer largely sales BS for the media with many conflicting claims.
We know these will be good cells and a step in the right direction, but as said previously, until we see a certified data sheet ot reliable independent test review, we wont know for sure.
..Until then, All we have is the data sheet for those Panasonic NCR 20700s previously posted
 
Ya, Not having data sheets for them is very annoying. There really should be something given Samsung's announcement in 2015 at Eurobike, but nope, nada.


edit: here is a link to the announcement, I actually remember that after having read it again.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150826005361/en/Samsung-SDI-Unveils-E-Bike-Battery-Pack-Runs
 
BMZ Press Release from 21 September 2016...
In producing the super cell, BMZ cooperates with the world's leading cell manufacturer Sony. Its manufacturing expertise with more than 300 million cells annually guarantees top quality.
The assembly of the 3Tron batteries will take place at BMZ - Europe's new gigafactory. With a footprint of 55,000 m², it is Europe's largest battery factory.

... and:
BMZ is the leading system supplier for battery solutions in Europe with production facilities in Germany, Poland, China and the United States.
:
http://www.bmz-group.com/dokumente/...BMZ_PM_Tritrion_Kapazitaet_-21_09_2016_EN.pdf

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News from May last year:

Gigafactory Battery Factory in Europe Opens:
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329703

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By 2020 for further production, laboratory and office buildings covering a total space of 15,000 m² are planned on the new company site of 55,000 m². After the completion of the construction works up to 1,500 BMZ employees will produce 800 million lithium-ion batteries in a range of different sizes annually with an overall storage capacity of 30 Gwh, from the industrial site in Karlst ein-Großwelzheim alone.

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...!!!!

So this bike is supposed to have them inside https://imgur.com/a/NXaHY (link curtesy of crazylenny). Really looking forward to getting these into our DIY hands.
 
i like to see these 2170 cells in real test and vs a 1865 3000mah compare size/weight/price/wh-kg........i have seen a lot of crap from big company like bmz :lol:
 
spinningmagnets said:
The new BH Atom-X is claiming to use a 21700 cell with 5.0-Ah per cell (likely the Sony/BMZ, made in Germany). BH is based in Spain

https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite

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Found a bit more about those BH Atom-X bikes on an Italian site:
http://www.ebikecult.it/tecnica/video-bh-atom-x-fino-a-720-wh/

Includes:
Brose Motor Drive S: more torque, more power
The new engine Brose Drive S provides a torque increase of 15% compared to the previous version, and provides maximum power at a high speed (60/90 revs / min.)...

... and:
Integrated battery durable
Another of the great challenges of the Atom Project X has been producing battery market leader in terms of capacity, a result achieved thanks to the great experience of BH Bikes.
Starting from the fundamental concept of the arrangement of the cells, the hard work of the technicians in the design phase has led to select the "21700" cells from higher energy density in circulation (5 Ah / cell) that guarantee 720 Wh capacity, which translates in a maximum range of 150 km.

... and:
Display Color LCD "Head Up"
New Atom X is equipped with a new LCD color display with transflective screen 2.2 ", with a RAM of 256 MB capacity and a Cortex A7 processor, which operates on a system Linux OS. A real trip computer, full of possibilities.

Watt? NO Giga's??? ONLY Megas? [grumble grumble hehe]
 
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