Casted vs spokes wheel?

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Hello,

I'm sick of un-true wheel, the time spent trying to make it right and the big issue when a spoke get damaged when trying to true too much.

I'm considering to only buy motors with casted wheel:
http://www.leafbike.com/products/diy-bike-conversion-kit/20-inch-electric-hub-motor-kit/newest-version-20-inch-48v-1000w-rear-casted-hub-motor-bike-conversion-kit-1011.html

So that I don't need to true anymore, it will always be true. And maybe buy some spare casted aluminium wheel without motor in case I damage it.

It would allow me to have a true maintenance free bike, or wheel. Aren't all motorbike using casted wheel? There must be a reason for that?
 
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I imagine there is a weight penalty to this, but I imagine the most prominent argument about this notion is that if the rim comes out of true, it is going to be very difficult to correct it, if at all possible with a cast wheel. Simply because the wheel is 'casted' doesn't make it immortal or impossible to bend. If you hit a harsh pot hole or something while out you may be able to solve the problem on the road side with a spoke wrench when using a spoked wheels, I am sure it'd be much more difficult to fix that sort of problem with a cast. In other words, in a spoke scenario you will probably be able to get home, the severely bent cast wheel probably means you need a pick up.

Another note worth considering is the aesthetics. Personally I aim for a more subtle look, as much as possible, a cast wheel is sure to draw the eye to the hub and give the bike a very unusual look. So if you are hoping not to draw the maximum amount of attention to your electric bicycle, a cast wheel probably isn't the way to go.

I know nothing about your wheel building skills, training and experiences, nor the wheel builds you are dealing with, but there is a lot to say on the subject concerning building the spoked wheel. There are some really excellent books and videos to watch that might help you grasp the concept as deeply as humanly possible. http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/ I like plenty of this guys book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004H1UA9Y/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B004H1UA9Y&linkCode=as2&tag=xbnijgbr-20&linkId=MV6QABVQOQAK5Z32 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H49Q4KU/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00H49Q4KU&linkCode=as2&tag=xbnijgbr-20&linkId=OVMWTKV3L5S2ESTQ I also feel these videos are worth watching.

Setting up the wheel initially correctly does a lot for keeping it true, as high tension as your rim can handle is a wise course of action. Sapim also makes locking nipples that might help. But beyond that, suspension and less weight is surely going to help. When I say less weight, I mean especially the hub motor itself (assuming you are already using one). A lot of people likely use wildly too heavy hubs on their electric bicycles and it is sure to contribute to a wheel going out of true sooner rather than later. Suspension is a bit of a broad subject but an insanely important one in my opinion. Not everyone knows that the higher the air volume the tire is the better it will likely do for absorbing shocks small and large. So if you can fit a wider tire, I'd jump on that for sure. In fact, I'd go so far as to seeking out, having one made or fabricating a new frame yourself just so you can fit wider tires. Probably sounds extreme but cast wheels aren't exactly a casual next step. There are some really nice air shocks out there with excellent adjust-ability that should add lots of softness to your ride.

I atctually considered the idea of trying to figure out how o have a company make a 26" version of a cast wheel for a hub motor, but the aesthetics notion really kills it for me. Naturally, I'd pair all the softness of a wide tired full suspension bike with any electric bike setup, but especially a cast wheel.
 
yes there are benefit to have spokes... but surely there is a reason why most motorcycle wheel are casted?

I don't think a motorbike wheel need more maintenance than a bicycle, and they are certainly much more durable.

So why all (recent) motorcycle wheel use casted and not spokes for easy repair?
 
There are several reasons for motorcycles to use cast wheels. One of the biggest ones is that it makes it easy to run tubeless tires. I speak from experience when I say that tubeless tires on a motorcycle are much more desirable. You get fewer flats, and when you do get a flat, it can sometimes be repaired on the side of the road without removing the wheel from the motorcycle.

The Honda 450 Rebel had an interesting arrangement. They wanted spokes for style reasons alone, but they also wanted tubeless tires. They inverted the spokes, so that the nipples were located by the hub, and the "hook" at the head was attached to a central rib on the steel rim. the rim was made from two mirrored halves that were welded at the central rib.

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A cast wheel stays true much longer, but when it is not perfect very few will invest in its trueing or replacement. A spoked wheel requires much more frequent maintenance, but it always can be serviced cheap and quick. Weight is also a consideration, for inertia and momentum are a handicap in acceleration and braking performance.

Motorcycle manufacturers are selling lots of bikes with cast wheels, for many reasons like style, reliability, quick assembly, profit... and because so many sunday riders out there can't build a wheel, and fewer shops doing it now.
 
Lots of nice spoked moto wheels out there...many with carbon or kevlar spokes.
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For pavement though, maybe the weight vs rim replacement issue is different. I like my little cast hub motor, and it seems to have a nice heat sink effect.
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But it's such a small diameter I don't worry about bending it. A shop I worked at sold the larger diameter ones you see for regular bikes...they were really heavy, sometimes had a wobble from the factory you couldn't take out, and came back a lot with a big flat spot from landing between the cast spokes. Hard to deal with that stuff mail order...

That's the spoked rear wheel I'm thinking about going with on a mid motor set up...double wall, 48 spoke, 14mm oversized axle...shouldn't bend too much :)
 
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