Charging at a public Charge station.. :) It can be done!

hillzofvalp

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I'm pretty sure all I need to charge off the GE stations around Purdue and Greater Lafayette is a 220 power supply and a special female connector (which I think I source through delphi). Any ideas on a small power supply? It would be nice to go to class and come back to a fully charged bike... not that I actuallly need that....

my pack willl be 21S M1 life.. currently 14s.

I was looking into mounting a meanwell on the bike with the current limiter mod..
 
Sadly, you need more than the female socket. J1772 is like 90% scam to enable charging people money to charge an EV, and 10% about charging EVs. It doesn't enable until the station is satisfied, and then the communication with the vehicle says it's OK to turn-on.



Safety
The J1772 standard includes several levels of shock protection, ensuring the safety of charging even in wet conditions. Physically, the connection pins are isolated on the interior of the connector when mated, ensuring no physical access to those pins. When not mated, J1772 connectors have no voltage at the pins,[13] and charging power does not flow until commanded by the vehicle.[12]
The pins are of the first-make, last-break variety. So that if the plug is in the charging port of the vehicle and charging, and it is removed, the Control Pilot and Proximity Detection pins will break first so that the Power Pin relay in the Charging Station will be shut off and no current will flow.


[edit]Signaling[12]
Supply equipment signals presence of AC input power
Vehicle detects plug via proximity circuit (thus the vehicle can prevent driving away while connected)
Control pilot functions begin
Supply equipment detects plug-in electric vehicle
Supply equipment indicates to PEV readiness to supply energy
PEV ventilation requirements are determined
Supply equipment current capacity provided to PEV
PEV commands energy flow
PEV and supply equipment continuously monitor continuity of safety ground
Charge continues as determined by PEV
Charge may be interrupted by disconnecting the plug from the vehicle
In a future development of the standard due in 2012, SAE proposes to use power line communication between the vehicle, off-board charging station, and the smart grid, without requiring an additional pin; SAE and the IEEE Standards Association are sharing their draft standards related to the smart grid and vehicle electrification.[14]
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Sounds like the next open-source ebike project to me, J1772 communication controller for fast charging.

It would be nice if these units already had voltage regulation built in, then you just say, hey, give me 84V.
 
there actually it a DC charging standard in the works... good for about 60kW :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO

SAE is revising the specification to add a "combo-coupler" variant of the J1772 connector with additional pins to accommodate fast DC charging at 200–450 V DC up to 90 kW.
 
hillzofvalp said:
there actually it a DC charging standard in the works... good for about 60kW :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO

SAE is revising the specification to add a "combo-coupler" variant of the J1772 connector with additional pins to accommodate fast DC charging at 200–450 V DC up to 90 kW.

The European motor industry has agreed on a common system for charging any electric car across Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15024153

Is it too much to hope that the rest of the uncivilized world get with it?
 
All it takes is a 50V diode and a 890ohm resistor and +6V to get the charging stations to output 220!!! I'm serious... Link later cause I'm on phone. Just need a compact 220 supply For bulk charging!!!!
 
It'd be nice if they just had a standard 110v outlet at bike racks. Many modern buildings already have outlets outside. I once charged in front of a Bed Bath & Beyond....lol. If it wasn't for that plug to charge my tiny 4.5ah pack, then I would of been pedaling home.

The EV charge station at Whole Foods in downtown Austin usually has an electric Smart Car and a Volt in those two spaces.

I want to be the push behind at least an outlet next to the bike racks there. Ebikes are essentially unheard of here, as of now. (Tonight was odd though, I did see two ebikes. One looked like the Giant ebike, one was the tankish Tres Terra Europa).
 
I'm thinking of getting an esp120 2950W 51.4V server supply.. and somehow lowering the voltage a little bit or using my arduino as a cut off.then I could bulk charge at 30-50A and only be at the charging station for 10-15 minutes. then I could leave my bike outside all the time and not have to carry it up 4 flights of stairs (80+ pounds!) every day.

I think this supply is like 12cmx7cmx50cm. So it's pretty long... it would be a rear rack project I think.
 
hillzofvalp said:
I'm thinking of getting an esp120 2950W 51.4V server supply.. and somehow lowering the voltage a little bit or using my arduino as a cut off.then I could bulk charge at 30-50A and only be at the charging station for 10-15 minutes. then I could leave my bike outside all the time and not have to carry it up 4 flights of stairs (80+ pounds!) every day.

I think this supply is like 12cmx7cmx50cm. So it's pretty long... it would be a rear rack project I think.

Ummm how much does that charger weigh! :shock: I can appreciate 10 - 15 min charges, but I'm afraid to ask the price and weight of that power supply! :lol:

Sounds freaking AWESOME though!! :mrgreen:
 
Sadly, the outdoor plug is dissapearing from modern buildings completely. No faucets or plugs on new big box stores more and more. But a place like whole foods, or anybody providing a car plug in should wake the heck up and put a plug near the bike rack. After all, if 4 bikes plugged in all day the likely cost would be about 50 cents at most. Should be easy to make that up. Same goes for coffeshops, internet cafe's etc.
 
there are 3-5 charging stations on Purdue University's campus.. and I don't see them used very much. I'm going to set out to change that. I'll consider contacting the GE committee who organized their installation, and see if they can give me a J1772 connector...
 
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